Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1107361

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Looking back...

Posted by undopaminergic on December 21, 2019, at 12:40:42

I revisited a thread about buprenorphine [BUP] from mid-2008:
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?init=/babble/20080519/msgs/831072.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20080718/msgs/841773.html

I was a prolific participant, as I was just starting on BUP (Temgesic brand).

Does anyone else find I was different back then? In some ways, I seem to have gone in the wrong direction, and in other ways the opposite. It is not only the drugs, although I'm sure I'd be better off if I were taking BUP+methylphenidate now.

Somehow, it looks like I have more emotions now, than back then. This would be a step forward. On the other hand, I seem less eloquent now.

I have trouble finding my last post from that period. Maybe this?
https://www.dr-bob.org/babble/neuro/20080706/msgs/845458.html

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Looking back...

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 21, 2019, at 21:43:03

In reply to Looking back..., posted by undopaminergic on December 21, 2019, at 12:40:42

i read through some, you were more in detail, and wrote longer posts, with studies and personal experiences. Talked much about your situation, in details.

Opiates, suboxone, they increase your opiod and i think....some dopamine, but im not skilled in knowing about opiates, but i've taken hydrocodone before, i know that's a low stregth one, but i was more socialable and talked, i had more feeling. Then after i stop taking it kinda went away, depression. Opiates defintly are anti-depresssants, that is a fact writte in words. People who become depednent,from i've read is they have to stay on sub, to feel normal and having good social times, and having general feeling of well-being. Methadone, is more potent, but it doesn't exactly get an oxycodone high, but it's stronger than sub, and some people have to take for their well-being to keep them from using heavy opiates, or using heroin. I've gone through so much depression, it's the feeling of nothingness, and no reward, you just ... have your eyes open, and don't feel anything, apathy, or sadness and sorrow, it makes you just...you either want to sleep, you have trouble doing tasks, talking to people, because of low neurotransmitters. I've been in deep deperession before, i dread ever going back to that feeling of just having my eyes open, and feeling nothing, just standing or siting and not interact with people or reality.

I hope sub, helps, it's widely used for opiate dependence, methadone is bit stronger for heavy opiate usage like heroin and hydromorphone. But sub, still provides an antidepressant, relief just as methadone does, think as it this way, methadone-old anti-depressants like MAOI's, and sub- like tricyclic and SSRI's, it's better in side effects than methadone, and your can become addicted very much to it.

please keep posting how your doing

 

Re: Looking back...

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 21, 2019, at 21:54:16

In reply to Re: Looking back..., posted by rjlockhart37 on December 21, 2019, at 21:43:03

plus methadone you feel more drugged and hazey, stick with sub

 

Re: Looking back... » rjlockhart37

Posted by undopaminergic on December 22, 2019, at 7:31:57

In reply to Re: Looking back..., posted by rjlockhart37 on December 21, 2019, at 21:43:03

> i read through some, you were more in detail, and wrote longer posts, with studies and personal experiences. Talked much about your situation, in details.
>

Yes. But I did that now, the other day. See:
https://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20191019/msgs/1107354.html

> Opiates, suboxone, they increase your opiod and i think....some dopamine, but im not skilled in knowing about opiates, ..
>

Dopamine, yes, absolutely, and in the case of buprenorhine [BUP] (Temgesic, Suboxone), it enhances dopamine through two mechanisms: mu-agonism and kappa-antagonism. BUP is a unique drug, and it can not be compared directly to other opioids.

> but i've taken hydrocodone before, i know that's a low stregth one,
>

My impression is that it's stronger than BUP, dose dependently. BUP has a ceiling effect, and is a partial mu-agonist; hydrocodone does not have that property. If you compare per milligram, BUP seems extremely potent, but as I said, it is only a partial agonist.

> but i was more socialable and talked, i had more feeling.
>

That's cool!

> Then after i stop taking it kinda went away, depression.
>

That is to be expected. Most drugs don't have effects beyond a dose.

> Opiates defintly are anti-depresssants, that is a fact writte in words.
>

Absolutely.

> I've gone through so much depression, it's the feeling of nothingness, and no reward, you just ... have your eyes open, and don't feel anything, apathy, or sadness and sorrow, it makes you just...you either want to sleep, you have trouble doing tasks, talking to people,
>

Yeah, apathy is my main problem.

> I hope sub, helps,

I'm not on BUP now, and I've never been on Suboxone. I used the Temgesic formulation.

It did help, and I only quit because they stopped prescribing it.

> please keep posting how your doing

I plan to, at least for the short-term future.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: Looking back...

Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 22, 2019, at 16:32:24

In reply to Re: Looking back... » rjlockhart37, posted by undopaminergic on December 22, 2019, at 7:31:57

thre could be other doctors or clinic you could go too, suboxune doctones, addiction psyhchaatiry. But .. you would have to go in detail about everything, and times doctors just don't do anything, it's happened to me, dealing with spirits in the house and being scared to death, and they just left me at my same dose.

methadone clinics...not sure if you would qualify, because they have test how much heroin, or heavy opiate usage, and you go int for frequently check ups. Mostly methadone clicks are for herion users, or fentanyl.

just keep good, and make a feeling that you're gonna get through this with survival mode, that's what i've done even not being treated for certain things


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