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Posted by rjlockhart37 on October 15, 2019, at 22:32:39
i've recently started diazepam, for with drawl from a high dose of phenibut, it was discotinued suddently, the first day i was doing fine and then i noticed anxiety and insomnia, and it worse. Phenibut really is not bad thing, it does help anixety. But i noticed now diazepam doenst work well as phenibut did, i feel a calm of nerves when i take valium, i feel just a little bit relaxed and relieved of anxiety depending on how high it is. I still had phenibut left, and i noticed that it's effects were better, or ... combinbined it made more relief. I don't ... i started valium 2.5 and noticed more calm nerves. But now ... i don't know if it's tolerance, or sometimes i tkae meds and dont notice their effect. Diazepam makes me relax but sometimes itsn ot enough, i still have anxiety levels.
I just don't know ... i can't really increase the dose my doc probly is not in favior of that but i take 2.5mg in morning, 5mg in after noon, 2.5 at night, works not very well, makes me want to add phenibut to diazpeam. The thing is....diazpeam is general benzo, it's just a general calm, nothing like xanax, bit less potent than lorazepam..., there's nothing special about it. It effects GABA -a receptors, phenibut effects GABA- b receptors
I get stressed easly because simple tasks become overwehliming, and truthfully - being in real stimulant would the benefit. It helps firing in the mind, but im stuck where i am. Armodafnil and caffeine, let's just keep anaymous i don't want this info collected.
I get worried my body requires more, or it adjusted through the long term phenibut use. I've been playing along all these years with mood stablizers and bi polar medications, in which really they have helped but if you hear ... psychostimulants help functioning better, i feel more like clutsy off psychostimulants, less organized, i forget things, my conversations are scattered all over the place. Some people kind avoid me because get too intense during conversation. Stimulant yes such as dexamphetamine treat this, but i have been told and done that i can't take it. To get a good career and do something good for society. You know i think somtimes even when you impaired, you have to make a will power that you won't give up on, i've done things saying im not give up, then i gave up.....it's a new mind set need develop juts like people in the work force.
any feed back would be great
Posted by linkadge on October 16, 2019, at 7:01:19
In reply to question about tolerance, posted by rjlockhart37 on October 15, 2019, at 22:32:39
According to some more recent studies, phenibut's affinity for gaba-b is low. On the other hand, it has much stronger affinity for calcium channels (the same subtype affected by gabapentin). Hence, phenibut likely more closely resembles gabapentin than valium.
You might have some more help with magnesium (?)
Linkadge
Posted by rjlockhart37 on October 16, 2019, at 21:33:29
In reply to Re: question about tolerance, posted by linkadge on October 16, 2019, at 7:01:19
yeah but what im ... like when i take 10mg of diazpeam, say like day i didnt need it for anxiety but i just took it for sleep, the effect ... there is a relief relaxation feeling but it's subtle and there's a few times i combined phenibut with diazepam and....it did the trick. What im concerned is maybe the GABA receptors are expecting GABA -b, diazepam i've noticed is general relief of anxiety, its good for generalized anxiety disorder, it just your calmed in your nerves. Alrazolam had minor mood improvement, lorazepam is a bit more potent than diazepam.
I'm just worried i don't want to take phenibut with diazpeam because that was the reason i was put on valium, but ... i don't know. It worries me that the GABA recetors in the synapse got accusomed to gaba - b effects, and benzo's don't effect gaba -b. Thinking that's the reason why it's not as much anxiety relief as phenibut in some cases.
anyways, yes i take magnesium when there's nothing else to help the nerves, it's a natural form of calm.
I think about this all the time, thinking diapzeam is supposed to be working accurately but it's not like i expected. Like i said, i took small dose of phenibut with diazpeam and bam it worked accureatly, i felt relief from anxiety i have during the day. I just .. thinking even other benzos i would have the same problem
Posted by rjlockhart37 on October 16, 2019, at 21:45:23
In reply to Re: question about tolerance, posted by rjlockhart37 on October 16, 2019, at 21:33:29
example: take diazpeam - feel some relief and some relaxation, but not the same as phenibut. They both work on GABA but they work at certain receotors. Thinking the brain is execting GABA -b, instead of GABA -a. But acually your right, phenibut is almost same as gabapentin but less potent, don't know if would add nuerontin to help the anxiety. And also it's less subtble, phenibut doenst work like benzos.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on October 22, 2019, at 17:51:38
In reply to Re: question about tolerance, posted by rjlockhart37 on October 16, 2019, at 21:45:23
phenibut - 500-1000mg easy and safe, relief of anxiety
2000+ an abruply stopping, you cannot sleep, you cannot eat, it is hell. thats why i was put on diazepam because of phenibut withdrawl
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