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Posted by addinbc on July 21, 2016, at 21:27:29
Hi all,
The subject says it all. My doc has tapered me down off Cymbalta quickly and I'm getting these periods of intense anxiety, despair, confusion, depersonalisation, derealisation etc....
I'm actually in hospital to do this withdrawal quickly and ramp up quickly on desipramine. ..I have 3 small kids and just can't do this at home!
Can ativan help with these feelings?? Nurses are willing to give it. What about Seroquel?
Thanks
N.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on July 21, 2016, at 21:44:10
In reply to Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal?, posted by addinbc on July 21, 2016, at 21:27:29
ativan, yes can ease the anxiety......you may have to take upper dosages of it for a while, 2-4mg to ease the withdrawl .....
seroquel makes you sleepy, but calms racing thoughts, you may check out other anti-psychosis meds to try to stop the rapid mood flucuations from the withdrawl
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 22, 2016, at 6:37:17
In reply to Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal?, posted by addinbc on July 21, 2016, at 21:27:29
> Hi all,
>
> The subject says it all. My doc has tapered me down off Cymbalta quickly and I'm getting these periods of intense anxiety, despair, confusion, depersonalisation, derealisation etc....
>
> I'm actually in hospital to do this withdrawal quickly and ramp up quickly on desipramine. ..I have 3 small kids and just can't do this at home!
>
> Can ativan help with these feelings?? Nurses are willing to give it. What about Seroquel?
>
> Thanks
> N.addinbc,
People kill themselves in the withdrawal period. Taking another drug in that period could also induce even more suicidal thoughts. You see, the drugs that they gave you are nerve agents. They are chemicals that have been used in insecticides, to kill parasitic worms, and to kill rats and to commit mass-murder. They cause addiction, life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands of people are killed each month from these drugs including innocent children drugged by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist.
And when you are given other drugs they can combine to increase the adverse effects exponentially and induce sudden death by stopping the heart. Here, others will tell you to take more drugs all with the approval of Mr. Hsiung without them having to specify the horrific consequences that the drugs could bring, seriously misleading readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are.
You see, the drugs get into the interactions with the nerves and go not where you may know. They could end up in your organs and kill you. They could destroy your brain. They could bounce around without you being able to control where they go. And after bouncing and bumping they could end up sucking you down into a vortex of misery to have you where you are now, unable to get back where you started from, even flipping from one drug to another. The pin ball gets swallowed into the hole.
The pin ball wizards here could lead you to your death.
Lou
play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VirthyuM
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 22, 2016, at 6:42:56
In reply to Lou's response-the pin ball wizzards » addinbc, posted by Lou PIlder on July 22, 2016, at 6:37:17
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The subject says it all. My doc has tapered me down off Cymbalta quickly and I'm getting these periods of intense anxiety, despair, confusion, depersonalisation, derealisation etc....
> >
> > I'm actually in hospital to do this withdrawal quickly and ramp up quickly on desipramine. ..I have 3 small kids and just can't do this at home!
> >
> > Can ativan help with these feelings?? Nurses are willing to give it. What about Seroquel?
> >
> > Thanks
> > N.
>
> addinbc,
> People kill themselves in the withdrawal period. Taking another drug in that period could also induce even more suicidal thoughts. You see, the drugs that they gave you are nerve agents. They are chemicals that have been used in insecticides, to kill parasitic worms, and to kill rats and to commit mass-murder. They cause addiction, life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands of people are killed each month from these drugs including innocent children drugged by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist.
> And when you are given other drugs they can combine to increase the adverse effects exponentially and induce sudden death by stopping the heart. Here, others will tell you to take more drugs all with the approval of Mr. Hsiung without them having to specify the horrific consequences that the drugs could bring, seriously misleading readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are.
> You see, the drugs get into the interactions with the nerves and go not where you may know. They could end up in your organs and kill you. They could destroy your brain. They could bounce around without you being able to control where they go. And after bouncing and bumping they could end up sucking you down into a vortex of misery to have you where you are now, unable to get back where you started from, even flipping from one drug to another. The pin ball gets swallowed into the hole.
> The pin ball wizards here could lead you to your death.
> Lou
> play:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VirthyuMcorrection:
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxDirthyuM
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 22, 2016, at 6:50:37
In reply to correction- Lou's response-the pin ball wizzards, posted by Lou PIlder on July 22, 2016, at 6:42:56
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > The subject says it all. My doc has tapered me down off Cymbalta quickly and I'm getting these periods of intense anxiety, despair, confusion, depersonalisation, derealisation etc....
> > >
> > > I'm actually in hospital to do this withdrawal quickly and ramp up quickly on desipramine. ..I have 3 small kids and just can't do this at home!
> > >
> > > Can ativan help with these feelings?? Nurses are willing to give it. What about Seroquel?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > N.
> >
> > addinbc,
> > People kill themselves in the withdrawal period. Taking another drug in that period could also induce even more suicidal thoughts. You see, the drugs that they gave you are nerve agents. They are chemicals that have been used in insecticides, to kill parasitic worms, and to kill rats and to commit mass-murder. They cause addiction, life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands of people are killed each month from these drugs including innocent children drugged by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist.
> > And when you are given other drugs they can combine to increase the adverse effects exponentially and induce sudden death by stopping the heart. Here, others will tell you to take more drugs all with the approval of Mr. Hsiung without them having to specify the horrific consequences that the drugs could bring, seriously misleading readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are.
> > You see, the drugs get into the interactions with the nerves and go not where you may know. They could end up in your organs and kill you. They could destroy your brain. They could bounce around without you being able to control where they go. And after bouncing and bumping they could end up sucking you down into a vortex of misery to have you where you are now, unable to get back where you started from, even flipping from one drug to another. The pin ball gets swallowed into the hole.
> > The pin ball wizards here could lead you to your death.
> > Lou
> > play:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VirthyuM
>
> correction:
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxDirthyuM
>correction to the correction;
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxDlrthyuM
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 22, 2016, at 7:01:50
In reply to 2 correction- Lou's response-the pin ball wizzards, posted by Lou PIlder on July 22, 2016, at 6:50:37
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > The subject says it all. My doc has tapered me down off Cymbalta quickly and I'm getting these periods of intense anxiety, despair, confusion, depersonalisation, derealisation etc....
> > > >
> > > > I'm actually in hospital to do this withdrawal quickly and ramp up quickly on desipramine. ..I have 3 small kids and just can't do this at home!
> > > >
> > > > Can ativan help with these feelings?? Nurses are willing to give it. What about Seroquel?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > N.
> > >
> > > addinbc,
> > > People kill themselves in the withdrawal period. Taking another drug in that period could also induce even more suicidal thoughts. You see, the drugs that they gave you are nerve agents. They are chemicals that have been used in insecticides, to kill parasitic worms, and to kill rats and to commit mass-murder. They cause addiction, life-ruining conditions and death. Thousands of people are killed each month from these drugs including innocent children drugged by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist.
> > > And when you are given other drugs they can combine to increase the adverse effects exponentially and induce sudden death by stopping the heart. Here, others will tell you to take more drugs all with the approval of Mr. Hsiung without them having to specify the horrific consequences that the drugs could bring, seriously misleading readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are.
> > > You see, the drugs get into the interactions with the nerves and go not where you may know. They could end up in your organs and kill you. They could destroy your brain. They could bounce around without you being able to control where they go. And after bouncing and bumping they could end up sucking you down into a vortex of misery to have you where you are now, unable to get back where you started from, even flipping from one drug to another. The pin ball gets swallowed into the hole.
> > > The pin ball wizards here could lead you to your death.
> > > Lou
> > > play:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VirthyuM
> >
> > correction:
> > Lou
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxDirthyuM
> >
>
> correction to the correction;
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxDlrthyuMcorrection to the corrected correction;
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F02XaVCc6nM
Posted by SLS on July 22, 2016, at 7:29:50
In reply to Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal?, posted by addinbc on July 21, 2016, at 21:27:29
> Hi all,
>
> The subject says it all. My doc has tapered me down off Cymbalta quickly and I'm getting these periods of intense anxiety, despair, confusion, depersonalisation, derealisation etc....
>
> I'm actually in hospital to do this withdrawal quickly and ramp up quickly on desipramine. ..I have 3 small kids and just can't do this at home!
>
> Can ativan help with theseI can't think of any downside to using Ativan to reduce the intensity of the Cymbalta withdrawal. You will be taking it for such a short period, that you will not become physiologically dependent on it. I have been playing around with the idea of using Trileptal to help with the withdrawal effects from discontinuing BZD or SRI. Anyway, it is fortunate that you have been offered the Ativan. Please post your progress. I am rooting for you!
- Scott
Posted by Horse on July 22, 2016, at 22:26:09
In reply to Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal?, posted by addinbc on July 21, 2016, at 21:27:29
Please excuse my ignorance here. Do you need to completely discontinue before starting desipramine? Or maybe Cymbalta withdrawl continues while on desipramine. Well, I discontinued Cymbalta abruptly and found that Lyrica reaaally helped. I don't know if the anticonvulsant properties did this, or maybe my case was a fluke. I think this or something similar might have been why SLS mentioned trileptal. Personally, I like the mood brightening effects of Lyrica and find trileptal a depressant, and again, maybe this is a fluke.
Good luck. I know what it's like to hurry up and get well for a kid.
Posted by SLS on July 23, 2016, at 3:32:04
In reply to Re: Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal? » addinbc, posted by Horse on July 22, 2016, at 22:26:09
> Please excuse my ignorance here. Do you need to completely discontinue before starting desipramine? Or maybe Cymbalta withdrawl continues while on desipramine. Well, I discontinued Cymbalta abruptly and found that Lyrica reaaally helped. I don't know if the anticonvulsant properties did this, or maybe my case was a fluke. I think this or something similar might have been why SLS mentioned trileptal. Personally, I like the mood brightening effects of Lyrica and find trileptal a depressant, and again, maybe this is a fluke.
Using Lyrica was a great idea. I have not seen people complain of depression as a side effect of Trileptal, but I imagine it does happen. There are studies indicating that Trileptal helps mitigate withdrawal from benzodiazepines. Of course, Cymbalta is not a benzodiazepine. I thought perhaps that an anticonvulsant would help with alcohol and SRI withdrawal, too. Perhaps Lyrica is a better choice. I'll keep my eye out for evidence of this.
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 23, 2016, at 7:06:04
In reply to Re: Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal? » addinbc, posted by SLS on July 22, 2016, at 7:29:50
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The subject says it all. My doc has tapered me down off Cymbalta quickly and I'm getting these periods of intense anxiety, despair, confusion, depersonalisation, derealisation etc....
> >
> > I'm actually in hospital to do this withdrawal quickly and ramp up quickly on desipramine. ..I have 3 small kids and just can't do this at home!
> >
> > Can ativan help with these
>
> I can't think of any downside to using Ativan to reduce the intensity of the Cymbalta withdrawal. You will be taking it for such a short period, that you will not become physiologically dependent on it. I have been playing around with the idea of using Trileptal to help with the withdrawal effects from discontinuing BZD or SRI. Anyway, it is fortunate that you have been offered the Ativan. Please post your progress. I am rooting for you!
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
Be not deceived. You could be killed or your child killed if you are drugging your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist by accepting what Scott has posted here as being safe and that there are no severe consequences from taking his advice. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung that makes it worse for readers as they could think that what Scott is promoting here is being supportive and that the drugs he promotes are safer than they really are.
Scott writes, [...I can't think of any downside to using Ativan...].
Just because he can't think of any downside does not mean that there is not any downside. In fact, from how Scott presents himself here, he could really know of the downside of the drug and deliberately states that he does not know of the downside when he really does. How could he be ignorant of the downside when he posts from the perspective of some type of authority here? You see, that is the great danger as readers could think that Mr. Hsiung is allowing Scott to post with impunity here grossly misleading information that could cause your addiction, life-ruining conditions and death. For Ativan is well known to induce horrific withdrawal since it is addictive and can cause life-ruining conditions which Scott does not disclose.
I want to save your lives. I want you to not be hooked by the drugs here being promoted by a psychiatrist through Scott and others without disclosing the horrific consequences from the drugs. Ativan is a manipulated benzodiazepine of the addictiveness from just taking it for a week. If Scott was to post all of the consequences from this drug including that it can cause cancer, a different picture could be seen. The inaction of Mr. Hsiung raises severe ethical questions.
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 23, 2016, at 7:31:08
In reply to Lou's warning about Scott and Mr. Hsiung » SLS, posted by Lou PIlder on July 23, 2016, at 7:06:04
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > The subject says it all. My doc has tapered me down off Cymbalta quickly and I'm getting these periods of intense anxiety, despair, confusion, depersonalisation, derealisation etc....
> > >
> > > I'm actually in hospital to do this withdrawal quickly and ramp up quickly on desipramine. ..I have 3 small kids and just can't do this at home!
> > >
> > > Can ativan help with these
> >
> > I can't think of any downside to using Ativan to reduce the intensity of the Cymbalta withdrawal. You will be taking it for such a short period, that you will not become physiologically dependent on it. I have been playing around with the idea of using Trileptal to help with the withdrawal effects from discontinuing BZD or SRI. Anyway, it is fortunate that you have been offered the Ativan. Please post your progress. I am rooting for you!
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> Be not deceived. You could be killed or your child killed if you are drugging your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist by accepting what Scott has posted here as being safe and that there are no severe consequences from taking his advice. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung that makes it worse for readers as they could think that what Scott is promoting here is being supportive and that the drugs he promotes are safer than they really are.
> Scott writes, [...I can't think of any downside to using Ativan...].
> Just because he can't think of any downside does not mean that there is not any downside. In fact, from how Scott presents himself here, he could really know of the downside of the drug and deliberately states that he does not know of the downside when he really does. How could he be ignorant of the downside when he posts from the perspective of some type of authority here? You see, that is the great danger as readers could think that Mr. Hsiung is allowing Scott to post with impunity here grossly misleading information that could cause your addiction, life-ruining conditions and death. For Ativan is well known to induce horrific withdrawal since it is addictive and can cause life-ruining conditions which Scott does not disclose.
> I want to save your lives. I want you to not be hooked by the drugs here being promoted by a psychiatrist through Scott and others without disclosing the horrific consequences from the drugs. Ativan is a manipulated benzodiazepine of the addictiveness from just taking it for a week. If Scott was to post all of the consequences from this drug including that it can cause cancer, a different picture could be seen. The inaction of Mr. Hsiung raises severe ethical questions.
> LouFriends,
Be not deceived. Ativan is a chlorinated, phenyl, hydrated benzodiazepine. What you may not know is that the chemists' bag of manipulation of drugs has in in it the manipulation of drugs by doing what is done to increase the potency of the drug. This makes Ativan a very potent benzodiazepine. But worse, it is a central nervous system depressant. And so can be Cymbalta that the poster here is in withdrawal from but still has it is his/her system. The two drugs together can increase the effects exponentially. This could cause death. You see, remember the pin ball machine. You can not control for long the ball and it finds it's way to the hole and the machine flashes, "game over".
Lou
Posted by Horse on July 23, 2016, at 12:30:09
In reply to Re: Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal? » Horse, posted by SLS on July 23, 2016, at 3:32:04
>
> Using Lyrica was a great idea. I have not seen people complain of depression as a side effect of Trileptal, but I imagine it does happen. There are studies indicating that Trileptal helps mitigate withdrawal from benzodiazepines. Of course, Cymbalta is not a benzodiazepine. I thought perhaps that an anticonvulsant would help with alcohol and SRI withdrawal, too. Perhaps Lyrica is a better choice. I'll keep my eye out for evidence of this.
>
>
> - Scott
Hi Scott, nice to see you :)
Trileptal is the stronger anti convulsant. As far as being more of a depressant, I'm very sensitive to that particular side effect. I agree that this side effect is uncommon. Personally, I wish I tolerated trileptal.
Posted by addinbc on July 23, 2016, at 14:27:11
In reply to Re: Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal? » addinbc, posted by SLS on July 22, 2016, at 7:29:50
Thank you Scott!
So far it looks like I'm over the worst. The intense dysphoric/despair/anxiety episodes seem to have calmed down thank goodness. I'm still feeling dizzy/zappy, nauseous, down, a bit confused and everything feels very strange and unfamiliar right now, but I'm hoping that will pass soon. I had an episode of crying completely out of the blue this morning which is very unlike me.
I feel this nneeds to happen fast so I can get back to my family. I have a lot of anxiety around that right now, although I'm told everyone's fine.
Thanks again for all your help and support!
Nickie.
Posted by addinbc on July 23, 2016, at 14:34:33
In reply to Re: Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal? » addinbc, posted by Horse on July 22, 2016, at 22:26:09
Thanks Horse, yes, I feel a real anxiety and intensity to get well quickly so I can get back to life at home with my 3 boys. My husband is a superstar!
I'm actually going up on desipramine at the same time as dropping the cymbalta, but I'm still getting a lot of withdrawal symptoms. I'm hoping the desipramine might mitigate the length and severity of the withdrawal.... anyone have input on that?
I know they are very different drugs and cymbalta is much more serotoninergic than desipramine, but I'm still hoping this won't last much longer.
Thanks
Nickie.
Posted by SLS on July 23, 2016, at 14:56:01
In reply to Re: Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal?, posted by addinbc on July 23, 2016, at 14:34:33
Hi Nickie.
> Thanks Horse, yes, I feel a real anxiety and intensity to get well quickly so I can get back to life at home with my 3 boys. My husband is a superstar!
>
> I'm actually going up on desipramine at the same time as dropping the cymbalta, but I'm still getting a lot of withdrawal symptoms. I'm hoping the desipramine might mitigate the length and severity of the withdrawal.... anyone have input on that?
>
> I know they are very different drugs and cymbalta is much more serotoninergic than desipramine, but I'm still hoping this won't last much longer.
> Thanks
> Nickie.At his point, I would try to let things run their course. You should be feeling better soon.
I have my fingers crossed for you.
One step at a time...
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 23, 2016, at 15:25:40
In reply to Re: Can Ativan help with Cymbalta withdrawal?, posted by addinbc on July 23, 2016, at 14:34:33
> Thanks Horse, yes, I feel a real anxiety and intensity to get well quickly so I can get back to life at home with my 3 boys. My husband is a superstar!
>
> I'm actually going up on desipramine at the same time as dropping the cymbalta, but I'm still getting a lot of withdrawal symptoms. I'm hoping the desipramine might mitigate the length and severity of the withdrawal.... anyone have input on that?
>
> I know they are very different drugs and cymbalta is much more serotoninergic than desipramine, but I'm still hoping this won't last much longer.
> Thanks
> Nickie.N,
You wrote,[...so I can get back to life...Cymbalta and desipramine..withdrawal symptoms...I'm hoping...anyone have input...hoping it won't last longer...].
Nickie, be not deceived. And hoping that the earth is flat will not change that it is round.
I have a death-O-meter that is showing that you could be killed soon from these drugs. You see, the two drugs, Cymbalta and Desipramine combined could cause death and if you add Ativan to them, there could be a more rapid onset of what could kill you. You see, these drugs are not medicines because they do not treat a disease nor cure. They are chemical nerve agents used in insecticides, rat poison, worm killers and in the commission of mass-murder. They induce suicidal and homicidal thinking and are addictive. During withdrawal, people kill themselves.
Hope and crossing your fingers will not mend this heart of yours. More drugs will not mend a broken heart. The poison of hate promulgated here breaks my heart. And to see a psychiatrist allow people to post what could kill you, turns my stomach.
There is a way out. The antidote to the poison of hate here is the treasure of love. You can find it in the Tree of Life. The poison of hate here comes from the tree of death. Which tree will you choose today?
Lou
Posted by herpills on August 17, 2016, at 0:45:38
In reply to Lou's urgent warning-which tree » addinbc, posted by Lou PIlder on July 23, 2016, at 15:25:40
This is the end of the thread.
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