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Posted by Maxime on July 10, 2006, at 21:48:30
So many of you have told me that there are other meds out there that can help. But I can't get to them. You tell me that the depression will lift one day ... but it hasn't and it has been a couple of years.
Why do you give false hope? Why?
There is no pill that is going to help me. The depression isn't just going to go away.
I'm not stupid ... don't treat me as though I am.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2006, at 22:16:04
In reply to You lie!, posted by Maxime on July 10, 2006, at 21:48:30
Maxie how can we lie? We don't know either do you. I think most believe there is a med for you. I understand how frustrating and anger provoking this is for you. And we can't make you better. I think you may need to call your pdoc again and go back into the hospital as dismal as this sounds.Who knows maybe this time a med will kick in for you? Love Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart on July 10, 2006, at 22:44:19
In reply to You lie!, posted by Maxime on July 10, 2006, at 21:48:30
maxime,
I cant talk much because im being monitered.
Listen, if you really get with you inner personal self inside and tell yourself that i have the power to do this on my own. You know, i know it really sucks when people tell you it will get better, its a pet awnser, not too many people are going to say you just going to stay the same, or get worse. Larry hoover told me that he cannot help me unless i get control of my life, at home.
Hard core psychiatric medications such as Desoxyn (methamphetamine) i would have to say will get out of depression for a while, but it crashes. You are right, there really isnt the med of the meds. And plus Methamphetamine is very addictive, you feel like working, feel yea good, then trash.
That definetly isnot a drug of choice.....
Sometimes i want to get a plan going, but i just dont do it.
All i can truthfully say is there is one thing i belive in, its the future. Hope, faith. For a long time you really, i cant lie, have been depressed, severely depressed, please dont take offence, but look towards the horizens.
I've got to run.
You take care
Matt
Posted by SLS on July 10, 2006, at 22:47:23
In reply to You lie!, posted by Maxime on July 10, 2006, at 21:48:30
> So many of you have told me that there are other meds out there that can help. But I can't get to them. You tell me that the depression will lift one day ... but it hasn't and it has been a couple of years.
>
> Why do you give false hope? Why?
>
> There is no pill that is going to help me. The depression isn't just going to go away.
>
> I'm not stupid ... don't treat me as though I am.
>
> Maxime
It is likely that the probability of your experiencing a spontaneous remission has become reduced as time has progressed. However, this does not preclude you from ultimately finding a treatment that works.Where lie untried treatments lies hope.
What haven't you tried yet?
My doctor likes Wellbutrin + Lamictal. It almost worked for me. Have you ever tried it?
I know you are not stupid.
I would like to convince you that it is worth investing more time in life, but I won't lie to you. It is a gamble of sorts. There are no guarantees - except, perhaps, for the finality of making certain decisions. Try to continue allowing yourself options. You might have to accept that things will be difficult for some time to come. It is difficult to predict. Nevertheless, you can probably find tangible reasons to retain hope if you look hard enough for them. This is so very easy for me to say to you today. Tomorrow, I may need for you to read this post back to me. Currently, I have some hope invested in the fact that I have not yet tried Topamax at dosages above 75mg in combination with Lamictal and nortriptyline. Tangible.
Biologically speaking, how bad do you feel today compared to your worst days? How much of what you are experiencing right now is emotional? Are you able to tell the difference?
- Scott
Posted by Maxime on July 11, 2006, at 8:14:44
In reply to Re: You lie!, posted by SLS on July 10, 2006, at 22:47:23
I haven't tried ECT. There are meds only available in the U.S. that I haven't tried such Cymbalta and Abilify.
Wellbutrin makes me psychotic. Lamictal made me more depressed.
These past 2 months I have felt the worst I have ever felt in my life. Sometimes emotional factors come in to play and make it worse ... I can tell when this is the case. Right now there are a lot of emotional factors going on. Life getting in the way of living. But I can't make them disappear. There are also physical factors as well. Again, nothing I can do about them ... or so the experts say. All of these things combined have resulted in a bleeding ulcer in my stomach ... I am now on meds for that.
Am I making any sense? I can't even tell ... I'm sorry.
Maxime
> It is likely that the probability of your experiencing a spontaneous remission has become reduced as time has progressed. However, this does not preclude you from ultimately finding a treatment that works.
>
> Where lie untried treatments lies hope.
>
> What haven't you tried yet?
>
> My doctor likes Wellbutrin + Lamictal. It almost worked for me. Have you ever tried it?
>
> I know you are not stupid.
>
> I would like to convince you that it is worth investing more time in life, but I won't lie to you. It is a gamble of sorts. There are no guarantees - except, perhaps, for the finality of making certain decisions. Try to continue allowing yourself options. You might have to accept that things will be difficult for some time to come. It is difficult to predict. Nevertheless, you can probably find tangible reasons to retain hope if you look hard enough for them. This is so very easy for me to say to you today. Tomorrow, I may need for you to read this post back to me. Currently, I have some hope invested in the fact that I have not yet tried Topamax at dosages above 75mg in combination with Lamictal and nortriptyline. Tangible.
>
> Biologically speaking, how bad do you feel today compared to your worst days? How much of what you are experiencing right now is emotional? Are you able to tell the difference?
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by Maxime on July 11, 2006, at 8:16:59
In reply to Re: You lie! » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2006, at 22:16:04
Phillipa. I have had two psychopharmacologists tell me that there are no more meds or combos to try (available in Canada). I will not go back into the hospital.
Maxime
> Maxie how can we lie? We don't know either do you. I think most believe there is a med for you. I understand how frustrating and anger provoking this is for you. And we can't make you better. I think you may need to call your pdoc again and go back into the hospital as dismal as this sounds.Who knows maybe this time a med will kick in for you? Love Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on July 11, 2006, at 8:26:00
In reply to Re: You lie!, posted by rjlockhart on July 10, 2006, at 22:44:19
Matt,
I've come to the point where I can't do it anymore. You know? I've pushed myself as far as I can go.I don't believe in the future ... we are killing the planet. Please recycle. :-)
Sh*t. I have to go ... appt.
Maxime
> maxime,
>
> I cant talk much because im being monitered.
>
> Listen, if you really get with you inner personal self inside and tell yourself that i have the power to do this on my own. You know, i know it really sucks when people tell you it will get better, its a pet awnser, not too many people are going to say you just going to stay the same, or get worse. Larry hoover told me that he cannot help me unless i get control of my life, at home.
>
> Hard core psychiatric medications such as Desoxyn (methamphetamine) i would have to say will get out of depression for a while, but it crashes. You are right, there really isnt the med of the meds. And plus Methamphetamine is very addictive, you feel like working, feel yea good, then trash.
>
> That definetly isnot a drug of choice.....
>
> Sometimes i want to get a plan going, but i just dont do it.
>
> All i can truthfully say is there is one thing i belive in, its the future. Hope, faith. For a long time you really, i cant lie, have been depressed, severely depressed, please dont take offence, but look towards the horizens.
>
> I've got to run.
>
> You take care
>
> Matt
Posted by SLS on July 11, 2006, at 8:41:21
In reply to Re: You lie! » rjlockhart, posted by Maxime on July 11, 2006, at 8:26:00
Dear Maxime,
I'm so sorry that things are particularly bad for you right now. I almost believe you when you say that you can't take it anymore. Then I see you write something like this:
> Please recycle. :-)
Your persistence is amazing.
What can Psycho-Babble do for you right now? I know you don't want to be lied to. I don't think it has been anyone's intention to do so, but what would you like for people to do for you right now?
- Scott
Posted by pseudoname on July 11, 2006, at 11:00:56
In reply to You lie!, posted by Maxime on July 10, 2006, at 21:48:30
And it sounds like it's talking nonstop to you right now, Maxime. I'm sorry for your current situation. So much life comes through in your posts in so few words… Even with the depression you seem to me to be a remarkable gem of a human being. No lie.
> I have had two psychopharmacologists tell me that there are no more meds or combos to try (available in Canada).
I haven't seen your meds list, but I know those guys were both wrong. For example, have you tried
• buprenorphine (Subutex®/Buprenex®)? I had gone through about 36 meds, ECT, and $50k+ in therapy before bupe worked for me. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/psycho-babble-tips/links/buprenorphine_for_de_001146748536/
Also, I think that before anyone claim ultimate despair over untreatable depression, they must give the acceptance strategies of "Acceptance and Commitment Therapy" a fair trial. They are unique in the mental health world. http://www.contextualpsychology.org/about_act
Posted by MidnightBlue on July 11, 2006, at 11:25:14
In reply to You lie!, posted by Maxime on July 10, 2006, at 21:48:30
Maxime,
I am sorry if I have done or said anything to hurt you. I must have because I've noticed you no longer respond to my posts while you still respond to others.
You are much smarter than I am. I was only hoping to encourage you. Slowly new drugs are becoming available. Research is still going on. I'm sorry you are hurting so much.
I won't post to you again.
MidnightBlue
> So many of you have told me that there are other meds out there that can help. But I can't get to them. You tell me that the depression will lift one day ... but it hasn't and it has been a couple of years.
>
> Why do you give false hope? Why?
>
> There is no pill that is going to help me. The depression isn't just going to go away.
>
> I'm not stupid ... don't treat me as though I am.
>
> Maxime
Posted by curtm on July 11, 2006, at 14:36:04
In reply to Re: You lie!, posted by SLS on July 10, 2006, at 22:47:23
You didn't get manic on Lamictal and Wellbutrin? Wow- I did.
Posted by saturn on July 11, 2006, at 15:23:56
In reply to Re: You lie! » SLS, posted by Maxime on July 11, 2006, at 8:14:44
Maxime I'm assuming you've tried stimulants?--Adderall, Dexedrine, Ritalin (Desoxyn I believe not available in Canada)?
Posted by Phillipa on July 11, 2006, at 15:49:59
In reply to Re: You lie! » SLS, posted by curtm on July 11, 2006, at 14:36:04
You got manic on lamictal? Thought it was a mood stabalizer? Love Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart on July 11, 2006, at 16:03:57
In reply to Re: You lie! » Maxime, posted by SLS on July 11, 2006, at 8:41:21
maxime i didnt mean, sometimes in my posts, i have got to think about what i am going say, because sometimes it comes across procative, i just read my post and im sticking my head in the toilet.
Please forgive me if i said, sometimes people just say they want to help. Thats not true that was a misconception i was thinking at the time. People want to help. I want to help, even thought ... i mean at home i feel so freaking trapped, im sorry i have to say this, im going through alot too, my mom, i feel i am locked and being controlled, im 19. I have 2 danm jobs that are stressfull as hell can come.
Im sorry i had, im just ugh. Please forgive me for any misunderstandings. I get that alot.
I know thats kinda of not really encouraging but i think the anger that you have had with this depression can cause anger towards youself, NOW i dont know if thats your case, sometimes its mine.I am mad at your doctor. I dont know why, but you deserve better than this. You are percistant, i think i noticed that in you.
I think you may benefit from ECT, why hasnt your doctor done this already? i think it would benefit. But i dont know.
Thats my put, im sorry on the other post that i was quick, i had to wake up at 5:30 and I was not myself.
please know that i am just trying to help.
Rerember God still loves you. Never will not stop.
Matt
Posted by curtm on July 11, 2006, at 16:55:56
In reply to Re: You lie! » curtm, posted by Phillipa on July 11, 2006, at 15:49:59
I only got manic after I added Wellbutrin on top of the Lamictal. Lamictal was fine by itself. Now I have Abilify with Lamictal and it seems to be working so far.
Posted by linkadge on July 11, 2006, at 17:37:26
In reply to Re: I lie! » Phillipa, posted by curtm on July 11, 2006, at 16:55:56
I wouldn't want people to yell at me.
Linkadge
Posted by curtm on July 11, 2006, at 22:00:09
In reply to Re: I lie!, posted by linkadge on July 11, 2006, at 17:37:26
> I wouldn't want people to yell at me.
>
> Linkadge**************
Not sure what you mean, but if someone needs to yell at me then it must be well necessitated. I can deal with it. I will sacrifice myself if it helps ease someone elses pain...sometimes.
Posted by Maxime on July 12, 2006, at 15:19:44
In reply to Re: You lie! » Maxime, posted by MidnightBlue on July 11, 2006, at 11:25:14
MB, you haven't said or done anything wrong. I'm having meltdowns by the hour and I can't always respond to all the responses I receive. I try. But I can't. I'm sorry I have hurt you. I would never hurt anyone on purpose. EVER.
As for the rest of people who have responded ... I just can't deal right now. A load of sh*t has hit the fan over the past couple of days and I can't cope with it all. So I am sorry that I can't respond to your posts at this time.
They, whoever "they" are, often say "it can't get any worse". I can now prove "them" wrong. It can get VERY much worse I'm afraid.
Maxime
> Maxime,
>
> I am sorry if I have done or said anything to hurt you. I must have because I've noticed you no longer respond to my posts while you still respond to others.
>
> You are much smarter than I am. I was only hoping to encourage you. Slowly new drugs are becoming available. Research is still going on. I'm sorry you are hurting so much.
>
> I won't post to you again.
>
> MidnightBlue
>
Posted by ed_uk on July 12, 2006, at 15:31:42
In reply to Re: You lie! » MidnightBlue, posted by Maxime on July 12, 2006, at 15:19:44
Dear Maxie
I wish I could do more to help. I just want to say that I think you're a lovely person. Take good care of yourself.
Ed xx
Posted by MidnightBlue on July 12, 2006, at 16:26:14
In reply to Re: You lie! » MidnightBlue, posted by Maxime on July 12, 2006, at 15:19:44
Maxime,
I'm sorry you are feeling so terrible. I know you don't feel like responding to everyone. It just seemed the last several times I tried to write you you responded to everyone else but not me.
I'm not smart like Ed or comforting like Phillipa. I know enough about your history to know you are "burned out". That is the best word I know for it.
Don't give up. Keep fighting. I do have hope one day you will get better.
MidnightBlue
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