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Posted by pseudoname on May 26, 2006, at 9:15:45
In reply to Re: Ritalin_Opiods Etc » pseudoname, posted by Paulbwell on May 26, 2006, at 8:46:13
> Opis do indeed relieve depression, but at what cost?
About $60 a month for me. (Giggle. Sorry.)
Buprenorphine is a very mild opioid, and it's a partial antagonist — it blocks some opioid receptors. Its main U.S. use is in opioid addiction treatment (as Subutex & Suboxone). I never get a buzz from it; I just don't feel as depressed or upset. And I feel some “good” emotions more readily in response to events.
For me, it takes 1 or 2 hours after taking it for it to kick in, so I think the addictive part of my brain never makes the connection between feeling better and taking bupe. I never get cravings for it, even if I skip it for more than a week. I *do* start to get withdrawal symptoms like sweating & chills (mild) after about 24 hours, though.
I've never tried any other opioids, so I don't know what those experiences are like. I know opioid addiction is a serious problem, but I think there's less risk with bupe.
My sweet pdoc was only willing to prescribe the Subutex for me because, as she said, “I don't think you'll sue me if you get addicted.”
Posted by alohashirt on May 27, 2006, at 0:22:08
In reply to Re: Ritalin » Paulbwell, posted by pseudoname on May 26, 2006, at 8:16:09
> > "I'd strongly recommend dexedrine vs ritalin,"
> >
> > You and everyone else. Is Ritalin REALLLY that cr*p?Ritalin is extremely effective with kids, 70% show measurable positive response from initial dose 90% after increase. It mad eme really nasty. Metadate CD was better. Concerta was better again but ende dup feeling robotic. Focalin XR gave teh same clarity as dexedrine without the inconsistency or insomnia or high blood pressure.
> I got *excellent* antidepressant benefit from Ritalin, but tolerance built up very quickly. I went from like 20mg to 140mg in a few weeks. Also, on the old version, the after-crash was terrible.
>
> The new Metadate CR is a lot better that way, but I only take it once or twice a month on top of my other med.
Posted by linkadge on May 27, 2006, at 18:48:19
In reply to Re: Ritalin, posted by alohashirt on May 27, 2006, at 0:22:08
I had an antidepressant response to ritalin, and with a few additional supplements, I needed no dose increase.
I stopped because of ritalin's link to chromisomal abormalities.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=20433
Although, if larger studies clarified the findings, I might be interested in trying it again.
Linkadge
Posted by notfred on May 28, 2006, at 3:06:11
In reply to Re: Ritalin, posted by linkadge on May 27, 2006, at 18:48:19
> I had an antidepressant response to ritalin, and with a few additional supplements, I needed no dose increase.
>
> I stopped because of ritalin's link to chromisomal abormalities.
>
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=20433
>
> Although, if larger studies clarified the findings, I might be interested in trying it again.
>
> Linkadge
>
IIRC Link, you have mentioned on this list that you are gay and male. Chromosomes are only used in reproduction; do you forsee having children the old fasioned way ?This study was not blinded and there were no controls; all done by one doc in one community.
Toxins in the community could of caused the abormalities or lots of other things. Without controls it is hard to say what really happened here.Given that ritalin has been arround for over 30 years and at least millions have taken it I think
we would of seen this link by now.
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 28, 2006, at 9:34:21
In reply to Re: Ritalin, posted by notfred on May 28, 2006, at 3:06:11
Hiya Notfred
I have to say that I'm far too sceptical about the drug industry. Who's going to fund a large scale study proving that ritalin (or others) is genotoxic (or whatever)?? The producers of ritalin would probably pay researchers handsomely *not* to do the research.
>Given that ritalin has been arround for over 30 years and at least millions have taken it I think
> we would of seen this link by now.Think about how many more people smoked and how long it took them to come up with the link between smoking and cancer.
I'm very skeptical about the whole drug industry, I'm sorry to say.
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by ed_uk on May 28, 2006, at 13:46:25
In reply to Re: ADHD testing in UK, posted by Sobriquet Style on May 24, 2006, at 17:58:44
Hi SS
>From what I've read theres over 12 million benzo's scripts given out a year in the UK
The majority of people who are prescribed benzos in the UK seem to be elderly women. Most of them receive 28 day prescriptions for diazepam, temazepam or nitrazepam.........which they've been taking since the 70s!
Regards
Ed
Posted by linkadge on May 29, 2006, at 17:52:27
In reply to Re: Ritalin, posted by notfred on May 28, 2006, at 3:06:11
Well then, you take it.
I agree with Meri. There is far too much going on in the background for us to know what these results imply. The fact that each of the 12 children showed a significant incease in chromosomal dammage in such a short period of time should sound a warning. From what I have read in other sources, the chromisomal changes were not insignificant changes.
The researchers also noted that of the ~55 some odd known human carcinogens, ~48 of them were detected using similar methods.
Saying that it would be 'obvious' to us by now whether or not ritalin causes cancer, is not so obvious. Sometimes studies like this only scratch the surface. In addition, the first generation of ritalin users may not be old enough for a significant change in cancer incidence to be detected.
The fact that we have heard nothing about the matter since this study is also strange. One might expect the makers of ritalin to fire back with assuring evidence. Perhaps they have known about the link for a while. As suggested, perhaps they payed this company not to conduct followup studies. All of these behaviors are not unheard of in this type of buisness.
The only way I'd be assured is when I see well designed studies suggesting the contrary.
This buisness has made me paranoid. I used to be trusting, but when I start to uncover the lies that have been presented to me, I take on a "guilty till proven innocent" stance.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on May 29, 2006, at 21:10:43
In reply to Re: ADHD testing in UK » Sobriquet Style, posted by ed_uk on May 28, 2006, at 13:46:25
Like me. Love PJ x
Posted by notfred on May 31, 2006, at 17:19:11
In reply to Re: Ritalin, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 28, 2006, at 9:34:21
So, how long do we wait ? If 30 years is not enough how long does one have to suffer b4 the endless fears are answered ? Ritalin was the
the one single thing that really got me started in first grade. I received lots of special tutors and programs that made a big difference but they would have been for nothing without the Rit. If i was to wait 30 yrs, then i never would of made it to college or held jobs with substantial compensation. Unlike my brother, who as "to old" to take Rit. has not had a happy or sucessful or happy life.Some people never seem to get better on this board. Some of this falls right at their feet.
Posted by Paulbwell on May 31, 2006, at 19:15:52
In reply to Re: Ritalin, posted by notfred on May 31, 2006, at 17:19:11
> So, how long do we wait ? If 30 years is not enough how long does one have to suffer b4 the endless fears are answered ? Ritalin was the
> the one single thing that really got me started in first grade. I received lots of special tutors and programs that made a big difference but they would have been for nothing without the Rit. If i was to wait 30 yrs, then i never would of made it to college or held jobs with substantial compensation. Unlike my brother, who as "to old" to take Rit. has not had a happy or sucessful or happy life.
>
> Some people never seem to get better on this board. Some of this falls right at their feet.
>
>
Hi Ya,Theres risks with all meds.
Do you still take the Rit-now?, or are you referring to it allowing you to get through school well?
Cheers
Posted by 2know on June 11, 2006, at 19:12:01
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, posted by denise1966 on May 24, 2006, at 7:03:02
> Hi,Denise
I am in Ireland and have suffered from Treatment Resistance Depression for as long as I can remember. Like you I could not find a psydoc that would prescribe anything other than the normal run
of the mill meds. Then after alot of persistance and looking I met a Dr who listened to everything I had to say and after I printed info from the net
that showed the benefits of stimulants for depression she being openminded prescribed dexedrine for me. Needless to say my life is much better since. Now my advice is dont give up and be more demanding its your right to get what will work for you and dont be afraid to keep changing Dr if you have to. Hope this will help some.
All the best.
2know.
>
> Thanks for the responses. Doesn't look like I'll be able to get my hands on it then as no psychiatrist over here would even consider prescribing it. Shame though as I thought it might kickstart this Cymbalta which isn't working that well.
>
> I've even tried doubling the dose of Cymbalta to 120mg but doesn't seem to be making a difference. I also tried adding 400mg of Lamictal which seems to have calmed me down a bit. I know I'm not supposed to do these things but I'm just trying to experiment a bit.
>
>
> Denise
Posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:33:02
In reply to Re: Dexedrine » denise1966, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 24, 2006, at 6:39:04
How bizarre- they don't prescribe stuff like dexedrine, ritalin, adderall, etc in the UK?Well, even here in the US they are just one class away from being illegal. You need a new, signed paper script each month, (no phoning it in to the pharmacy), no "refills" allowed, gotta show your driver's liscence, etc.
Hey, I read in Atkins' nutrition book that acytyl-L-carnetine and L-phenylalanine are vaguely similar to stimulants- at least that's how he makes them sound.
> Hi Denise,
>
> I'm desperate to try something like ritalin/dexerine...but I'm also in the UK.
>
> I find it pathetic the narrow mindedness of the pdocs over here, and I look at the plethora of drugs easily prescribed to our North American friends with much envy.
>
> Have you tried zyban/wellbutrin? Its sort of similar to a stimulant, but the trouble here in Europe is that its only licensed as a quit smoking aide. So your GP would have to prescribe it off label. I got one of my previous GPs to prescribe it for me. It was okay, but I developed a rash on it, so I stopped it.
>
> I think it very very unlikely a doc over here would prescribe dexedrine as an augumenting agent. In my experience, they're completely ignorant to augumenting agents in the first place!!
>
> If I had loads of money I would fly over to North America and get an appt with a pdoc....I'm kicking myself now because my partner used to live in Boston, and I used to visit him regulary. I could have easily have fitted in a pdoc appointment!!!!
>
> Oh well. Sigh.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Meri
>
>
Posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:44:07
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 24, 2006, at 8:52:15
Trust me, benzo plus ritalin is no problem. I am prescribed both-right now I am not supposed to take them at the same time- but for awhile I was (oficially). I think it might have to do with which benzo and the amounts and reasons. Ie, something like klonopin takes the edge off ritalin if the dose was too high and you are freaking out- but you can easily get into upping both drugs in a pointless cycle. At that time, the ritalin, as now is for sleep disorder and atttention problems and resistant depression- and I took the time release form of xanax for anxiety. I still got the antidepressent effect from the ritalin, my attention was fine, but very calm and smooth. Right now I take ritalin during the day, and klonopin at night- but actually just switched to a shorter acting benzo so as to prevent next day hangover, because my goal is to reduce drugs altogether.
By the way, "valium" seems to have a shady reputation- from movies? "Mother's helper" kind of thing? The others are perfectly fine, and might be easier for you to get because they don't have that dark mystique or notorious popular reputation. I've heard valium is a real knock-out anyway, and that the newer ones are more suave.
> Hi Paul!
>
> > I live downunder, not exactly pill hand over USA, but am scripted Ritalin+Valium+Prozac.
>
> Wow, its very hard to get your hands on valium, let alone ritalin, and together, *no way* - like in I'm sure the pdocs eyes would pop out if you suggested the two.
>
> I'm migrating!
>
> And another thing, it seems that in the UK adults with ADD/HD don't exist according to the docs. I've yet to come across someone formally diagnosed as one.
>
> Ed_uk might have a better idea through.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Meri
>
Posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:46:48
In reply to Re: Dexedrine » Paulbwell, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 24, 2006, at 12:22:39
Geez, in the US we got people buying meds over the internet from Canada, Mexico, China- whatever. I never did it, hear it's not exactly legit- but...maybe something to investigate? What a shame it's like this.
> I'm definately migrating!! :o)
>
> Well, Oz beats the system here in the UK at any rate.
>
> I wish I had a friendly pharmacist! They could slip me a couple of ritalins.....
>
> Sigh.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Meri
Posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:51:02
In reply to Re: Dexedrine-Stims, Benzos.... » Meri-Tuuli, posted by Paulbwell on May 24, 2006, at 15:31:22
How did that slip happen? In the US? They WATCH that class of drugs- pharmacy could lose liscence and pharmacist arrested over that sort of slip!!! They do all kinds of inventory checks to watch for that I'm told. I've even heard that they go so far as to track how many scripts a doctor writes for say, something like ritalin. You really did get lucky.
> Hi Ya!
>
> "I wish I had a friendly pharmacist! They could slip me a couple of ritalins....."-actually he has, i'll get to that.
>
>
> My Pharmacist sure is friendly (I AM CONVINCED ITS MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PHARMACIST YOU GET ON WELL WITH, THAN A DOC=PSY OR PC-AFTER ALL THEY HAVE THE MEDS, NOT THE DOC, WHO ONLY HANDS OVER THE THE PAPER PADS).
>
> He has been A LIFE SAVER TO ME, giving me 180 5mg Valiums, when the dcript said 90 (monthly-CD-class c) and slipping me a umber when i'm short.
>
> He has also given me (sveral times) an extra box, 30 tabs, of 10mg IR Ritalins, (class CD b2, Morphine is class b1) when he (i think) forgot he have given me 1 already, before ordering, and giving me my stock of 7-8 boxes.
>
>
> Yep folks get a Druggest you like, and you likes you!!
>
> cheers
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Meri
>
>
Posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:55:50
In reply to Re: stimulants in UK links » pseudoname, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 24, 2006, at 15:45:14
You do not have to be hyperactive to be an adult with attention problems, no way. You just have to be unable to concentrate, follow through on tasks, or be responsable. Just be super distractable, etc. I have a sleep disorder with "ADD" (whatever that is), so you see ritalin helps me stay both awake and concentrate.
They can call any cluster of symptoms or characteristics whatever they like, you know. Sounds like in UK they don't go for this label- but can they recognize the individual characteristics? Don't they ask you about how you function in daily life?
> Wow, thanks PN!!
>
> Now, will SSRIs make AD/HD alot worse?? When I was on celexa for a year and a half, man, I had serious concentration issues. Like, pretty serious. But now, not on anything, concentration is better, but still not ideal I guess.
>
> How would I go about testing to see whether I have adult ADD?? I'm pretty sure I'm not hyeractive - can you have AD/HD without the hyperactivity??
>
> Kind regards
>
> Meri
Posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:59:54
In reply to Re: ADHD testing in UK, posted by Sobriquet Style on May 24, 2006, at 18:24:05
Unfortunately they sell some of these helpful drugs on the street for people to snort recreationally- heard that practice describ3ed as a real clean coke. Too bad- 'cause that's whay they are so restricted and so hard for people who could legitimately benefit from obtaining them easily.
Yes, I think people "need" to be able to get the best and healthy quality of life they can manage.
> >A F*CKING NEED?
>
> Like f*cking ADHD, or a type of depression that will respond to a stimulant, sorry if I wasn't too clear :)
>
> >How about not being able to hold down a job, or worse, a lack of quality of like in this world?-HA?
>
> Yeah that too, for example if its a case of not being able to hold down a job, but by taking some amphetamines you can - then by all means find a doctor to gve you a prescription to get your life back.
>
> -Ritalin
> -Valium
> -Xanax
> -Dextroamphetamine, or even (for the real f*cked up)
> -Desoxyn, script Methamphetamine
>
> I bet *some* people without psychiatric illness would feel pretty buzzed out on all / or some of them.
>
> >Or any pill can help, bring it on-OK!
>
> Ok, whatever floats your boat man.
>
> >Cheers
>
> Peace
>
> ~
>
Posted by paulbwell on July 9, 2006, at 5:59:13
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:46:48
>> > I wish I had a friendly pharmacist! They could slip me a couple of ritalins.....
> >
> > Sigh.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
A good relationship with a Pharm is the key!!I have taken a benzo for 3,5 years, and didn't one (Valium) for a week, i went to see my friend (the pharmacist) and he gave me a couple Valiums, free-didn't even take em outa my script i presented the next day, it helps he likes me, and is a very devout Muslam, i also gave him a script for several hundred Ritalins-10mg IR, so now i have ~400, if only i could swap em for Xanax or Dex?.
If yr pharmacist is f*cking you around GET A DIFFERENT ONE-they are as important as a Doc, mine has given free .5 clonaz, 5mg Vals, 10mg Rits-BECAUSE HE KNOWS I HAVE BEN SCRIPTED EM' B4.
God bless him:(
Posted by paulbwell on July 9, 2006, at 6:09:55
In reply to Re: ADHD testing in UK, posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:59:54
> Unfortunately they sell some of these helpful drugs on the street for people to snort recreationally- heard that practice describ3ed as a real clean coke. Too bad- 'cause that's whay they are so restricted and so hard for people who could legitimately benefit from obtaining them easily.
"A REAL CLEAN COKE"-Make me laugh!!I have abused, snorted Rits before, and believe me it is like sugar compared to decent Cocaine-IT DOESN'T COMPARE-and this is colabarated by MANY USERS, sure IVing Rit (very dangerous) is indistinguisable to Iving Cocaine, but who wants that danger?
I have taken Methylphenidate (Ritalin) for 2.5 years, and Alcohol has more abuse potential.
I laugh everytime i see the US Sch ll stimulant list of compounds
-Biphetamine
-Dexedrine
-Methylphenidate
-Desoxyn (methylamphetamine)make me laugh:)
Cheers
Posted by alisseus on July 9, 2006, at 7:12:35
In reply to Re: Dexedrine » Meri-Tuuli, posted by Paulbwell on May 24, 2006, at 6:46:53
> > Hi Denise,
> >
> > I'm desperate to try something like ritalin/dexerine...but I'm also in the UK.
> >
> > I find it pathetic the narrow mindedness of the pdocs over here, and I look at the plethora of drugs easily prescribed to our North American friends with much envy.
> >
> > Have you tried zyban/wellbutrin? Its sort of similar to a stimulant, but the trouble here in Europe is that its only licensed as a quit smoking aide. So your GP would have to prescribe it off label. I got one of my previous GPs to prescribe it for me. It was okay, but I developed a rash on it, so I stopped it.
> >
> > I think it very very unlikely a doc over here would prescribe dexedrine as an augumenting agent. In my experience, they're completely ignorant to augumenting agents in the first place!!
> >
> > If I had loads of money I would fly over to North America and get an appt with a pdoc....I'm kicking myself now because my partner used to live in Boston, and I used to visit him regulary. I could have easily have fitted in a pdoc appointment!!!!
> >
> > Oh well. Sigh.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Meri
> >
> >
>
> I live downunder, not exactly pill hand over USA, but am scripted Ritalin+Valium+Prozac.
>
> The Ritalin is less than satisfactory, (80mgs-8 10mgIR tabs) after more than 2 years, so i may go back to my Psy, and see about alternative treatments, one of which he mentioned, when he diagnosed me with ADD/HD issues was, Dextroamphetamine 5mg IR tablets, which are usually used at half the dose.
>
> We'll see.
>
> CheersWhat state in Aus are you. i'm in queensland and have been told dex hasn't been used here for years and is not an option?
Posted by paulbwell on July 9, 2006, at 7:30:10
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, posted by alisseus on July 9, 2006, at 7:12:35
I am LEGALLY scripted a high daily dose of generic Ritalin, which i take somedays as scripted-other days, not at all-bad paul:(-hehe
I have more generic tabs than most pharmacies carry~ 15 boxes,400 10mg IR's tabs
I crush n snort em' sometimes for a greater effect-IT WORKS-YES. I hate blood tests (needles) n woul never consider IVing the stuff (dangerious)-althought it is indistinguisable, from IVing Cocaine!! or so i have read from folk who have done both.
I'm not sure what you are enquiring about, but feel free to get back?
Cheers
Posted by helpme on July 10, 2006, at 11:15:47
In reply to Re: ADHD testing in UK » helpme, posted by paulbwell on July 9, 2006, at 6:09:55
I never used coke so wouldn't know- but I actually heard someone wistfully say they wished they could get some ritalin for that very reason!>
> "A REAL CLEAN COKE"-Make me laugh!!
>
> I have abused, snorted Rits before, and believe me it is like sugar compared to decent Cocaine-IT DOESN'T COMPARE-and this is colabarated by MANY USERS, sure IVing Rit (very dangerous) is indistinguisable to Iving Cocaine, but who wants that danger?
>
> I have taken Methylphenidate (Ritalin) for 2.5 years, and Alcohol has more abuse potential.
>
> I laugh everytime i see the US Sch ll stimulant list of compounds
>
> -Biphetamine
> -Dexedrine
> -Methylphenidate
> -Desoxyn (methylamphetamine)
>
> make me laugh:)
>
> Cheers
Posted by helpme on July 10, 2006, at 11:17:24
In reply to Re: Dexedrine-friendly Pharmacist » helpme, posted by paulbwell on July 9, 2006, at 5:59:13
Wow- do you live in the US? Lucky you with the pharmacist. Sounds unusual.
> >> > I wish I had a friendly pharmacist! They could slip me a couple of ritalins.....
> > >
> > > Sigh.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
>
>
> A good relationship with a Pharm is the key!!
>
> I have taken a benzo for 3,5 years, and didn't one (Valium) for a week, i went to see my friend (the pharmacist) and he gave me a couple Valiums, free-didn't even take em outa my script i presented the next day, it helps he likes me, and is a very devout Muslam, i also gave him a script for several hundred Ritalins-10mg IR, so now i have ~400, if only i could swap em for Xanax or Dex?.
>
> If yr pharmacist is f*cking you around GET A DIFFERENT ONE-they are as important as a Doc, mine has given free .5 clonaz, 5mg Vals, 10mg Rits-BECAUSE HE KNOWS I HAVE BEN SCRIPTED EM' B4.
>
>
> God bless him:(
Posted by Johnny B. Linux on July 11, 2006, at 19:08:13
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, posted by helpme on July 8, 2006, at 17:33:02
It's why I dislike ADHD medications like Dexedrine. It's highly controlled and regulated...and the reason I don't feel 100% taking it even it it helps tremendously and take it as directed. I feel like I'm doing something wrong or illegal.
>
> How bizarre- they don't prescribe stuff like dexedrine, ritalin, adderall, etc in the UK?
>
> Well, even here in the US they are just one class away from being illegal. You need a new, signed paper script each month, (no phoning it in to the pharmacy), no "refills" allowed, gotta show your driver's liscence, etc.
>
> Hey, I read in Atkins' nutrition book that acytyl-L-carnetine and L-phenylalanine are vaguely similar to stimulants- at least that's how he makes them sound.
>
>
>
> > Hi Denise,
> >
> > I'm desperate to try something like ritalin/dexerine...but I'm also in the UK.
> >
> > I find it pathetic the narrow mindedness of the pdocs over here, and I look at the plethora of drugs easily prescribed to our North American friends with much envy.
> >
> > Have you tried zyban/wellbutrin? Its sort of similar to a stimulant, but the trouble here in Europe is that its only licensed as a quit smoking aide. So your GP would have to prescribe it off label. I got one of my previous GPs to prescribe it for me. It was okay, but I developed a rash on it, so I stopped it.
> >
> > I think it very very unlikely a doc over here would prescribe dexedrine as an augumenting agent. In my experience, they're completely ignorant to augumenting agents in the first place!!
> >
> > If I had loads of money I would fly over to North America and get an appt with a pdoc....I'm kicking myself now because my partner used to live in Boston, and I used to visit him regulary. I could have easily have fitted in a pdoc appointment!!!!
> >
> > Oh well. Sigh.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Meri
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by alohashirt on July 13, 2006, at 22:11:58
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, posted by Johnny B. Linux on July 11, 2006, at 19:08:13
The illegality sucks. It can be a pain to change jobs because drug screenings come up positive. The irony is that the panic is an unreasoning, misinformed moral panic. Dexedrine is safer than aspirin, less addictive than tobacco and causes less than one thousandth the damage of alcohol. Which is not to say it's a perfect drug or the best ADHD med.
Remember that at different times all of the following have been illegal:
alcohol
interracial dating
homosexual sex
blacks sitting at the front of the busAt least it is legal. There are other potentially useful psychotropics that are illegal (e.g. MDMA), not patentable (DMSO) or just not available in the US (Adrafinil)
Does anyone have personal experience of countries where all pharmaceuticals are freely available? I wonder what effect that would have, positive and negative?
> It's why I dislike ADHD medications like Dexedrine. It's highly controlled and regulated...and the reason I don't feel 100% taking it even it it helps tremendously and take it as directed. I feel like I'm doing something wrong or illegal.
>
> >
> > How bizarre- they don't prescribe stuff like dexedrine, ritalin, adderall, etc in the UK?
> >
> > Well, even here in the US they are just one class away from being illegal. You need a new, signed paper script each month, (no phoning it in to the pharmacy), no "refills" allowed, gotta show your driver's liscence, etc.
> >
> > Hey, I read in Atkins' nutrition book that acytyl-L-carnetine and L-phenylalanine are vaguely similar to stimulants- at least that's how he makes them sound.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Denise,
> > >
> > > I'm desperate to try something like ritalin/dexerine...but I'm also in the UK.
> > >
> > > I find it pathetic the narrow mindedness of the pdocs over here, and I look at the plethora of drugs easily prescribed to our North American friends with much envy.
> > >
> > > Have you tried zyban/wellbutrin? Its sort of similar to a stimulant, but the trouble here in Europe is that its only licensed as a quit smoking aide. So your GP would have to prescribe it off label. I got one of my previous GPs to prescribe it for me. It was okay, but I developed a rash on it, so I stopped it.
> > >
> > > I think it very very unlikely a doc over here would prescribe dexedrine as an augumenting agent. In my experience, they're completely ignorant to augumenting agents in the first place!!
> > >
> > > If I had loads of money I would fly over to North America and get an appt with a pdoc....I'm kicking myself now because my partner used to live in Boston, and I used to visit him regulary. I could have easily have fitted in a pdoc appointment!!!!
> > >
> > > Oh well. Sigh.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Meri
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