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Posted by tepiaca on March 9, 2006, at 23:24:38
Do you think I could drink one beer in the
morning everyday to help combat SP and lost
of energy?
I dont like how it taste but I like the way
I feel, More calm and focused around people.
I drank one beer 3 hours ago, and I feel better
in this moment. I would do anything to recover
50% of my life.
Maybe this post have to be made in the alternative , sorry
Posted by mattw84 on March 9, 2006, at 23:40:19
In reply to One beer daily?, posted by tepiaca on March 9, 2006, at 23:24:38
The effect you are looking for could, and should be sought out by different means. Alcohol affects a lot of different pathways in the CNS. Most profoundly GABA and dopamine. With the nature of SP it is really easy to get used to relieving the anxiety with alcohol, but definately not a sound solution. Seek out a pdoc, preferable one not afraid of BZDs. Really be careful with the alcohol, it is not a good route to go down. Good luck.
Posted by vainamoinen on March 10, 2006, at 11:20:00
In reply to One beer daily?, posted by tepiaca on March 9, 2006, at 23:24:38
I think alcohol is metabolized fairly quickly. One beer takes about one hour to be eliminated. So if you were still feeling good 3 hours later, I'd say that's a placebo effect.
Unless you plan on drinking one beer an hour every hour, it probably won't work.
You need a drug with a longer half life. Have you tried marijuana? Seriously, it has a much longer half life especially if it is ingested orally as opposed to smoked.
A little goes a long way. Due to the strength of modern day cannabis which has been genetically manipulated for maximum THC content, you'll probably only need a very, very small amount.
But like the previous poster suggested, a benzodiazepine will be more predictable and probably a better bet in the long run.
Posted by Phillipa on March 10, 2006, at 18:20:49
In reply to Re: One beer daily?, posted by vainamoinen on March 10, 2006, at 11:20:00
Unfortunately one beer leads to another until you are drinking a lot more than one beer to gain the same effect. Go the benzo route Tepi. Love Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on March 11, 2006, at 19:32:43
In reply to One beer daily?, posted by tepiaca on March 9, 2006, at 23:24:38
>
> Do you think I could drink one beer in the
> morning everyday to help combat SP and lost
> of energy?
> I dont like how it taste but I like the way
> I feel, More calm and focused around people.
> I drank one beer 3 hours ago, and I feel better
> in this moment. I would do anything to recover
> 50% of my life.
> Maybe this post have to be made in the alternative , sorry
In the end, it would contribute to a greater loss of energy. And it is true that it acts on GABA, but a small amount of Klonopin or the like would probably be better for social phobia than alcohol, because of the counterside of drinking which is further depression.Not that one or two beers every now and then is a terrible thing -- why do people do it in bars, of course, because it is one way to cover the fact that a lot of people have problems approaching others without it.
But for a specific psychiatric condition, I would go with the prior recommendation.
Tidings
Jay
Posted by sdb on March 11, 2006, at 23:26:27
In reply to One beer daily?, posted by tepiaca on March 9, 2006, at 23:24:38
alcohol abuse will cause longterm a fatty liver -liver cirrhosis - aszites (abdomen full of water, primarely due to lack of albumin) - haematomas - yellow skin because lot of bilirubin systemically - possible brain damage because of ammoniac - possible liver transplantation.
Better a benzodiazepine (!).
~sdb
Posted by San Diegan on March 12, 2006, at 3:29:32
In reply to Re: One beer daily?, posted by sdb on March 11, 2006, at 23:26:27
> alcohol abuse will cause longterm a fatty liver -liver cirrhosis - aszites (abdomen full of water, primarely due to lack of albumin) - haematomas - yellow skin because lot of bilirubin systemically - possible brain damage because of ammoniac - possible liver transplantation.
Ummm...? Sure it's possible for heavy, long term abuse could lead to those things, but what does that have to do with the question of having one beer a day?
Even 4 beers a day wouldn't be considered dangerous, I don't think..?
One may as well say that klonopin abuse could lead to all kinds of damage and better to stick to alcohol..
;o)
Posted by ed_uk on March 12, 2006, at 10:08:37
In reply to One beer daily?, posted by tepiaca on March 9, 2006, at 23:24:38
Small amounts of alcohol are relatively safe TEPI. Some people find it difficult to continue using small amounts and escalte their usage to LARGE amounts, which are dangerous. On the other hand, many people are able to continue using small amounts on a long term basis with few or no problems.
Kind regards
Ed
Posted by Kon on March 12, 2006, at 10:36:08
In reply to Re: One beer daily?, posted by vainamoinen on March 10, 2006, at 11:20:00
Just to add...assuming no escalation of drinking, mild alcohol drinking (especially red wine- although other studies suggest all types of alcohol)are associated with increased longevity. I've actually tried to drink a glass of red wine or beer/day for the possible health benefits but could never do it consistently. Alcohol (even 1 drink) does relax me a bit for a couple of hours or so but it also makes me a bit dizzy. I guess I'm an easy drunk. I don't think a beer/day would greatly improve one's anxiety. Myself I prefer benzos to alcohol for anxiety and always wondered if the prudent use of anxiolytic drugs like benzos would benefit one wrt longevity (especially since anxiety is associated with some increased risk of cardiovascular disease). I mean look at all the possible negative effects of alcohol on the body with high doses of alcohol and still mild drinking is usually associated with increased longevity.
Posted by sdb on March 12, 2006, at 12:08:29
In reply to Re: One beer daily?, posted by Kon on March 12, 2006, at 10:36:08
if you want to treat a psych problem with alcohol it is definitely too dangerous in the *longterm*. There are always some people in a hospital with liver cirrhosis and they look awful. If you drink one glass of wine daily there are *maybe* dependet which wine you drink some positive effects for your cardiovascular system.
I know somebody who drunk because of the loss of several children. No she takes a benzo in the evening and I have never smelt the taste of high potentiated alcohol again. My opinion: better a benzo~sdb
Posted by Phillipa on March 12, 2006, at 17:47:46
In reply to Re: One beer daily?, posted by sdb on March 12, 2006, at 12:08:29
And I felt better when I drank 4-6 beers a night. No depression or anxiety. And I did my best work then. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by sdb on March 12, 2006, at 18:10:52
In reply to Re: One beer daily? » sdb, posted by Phillipa on March 12, 2006, at 17:47:46
>>No depression or anxiety. And I did my best >>work then.
I believe you Phillipa but unfortunately this could be a trap. I knew a manager who owns a company drinking alcohol to do things better. Now he is on the list for liver transplantation. Alcohol has an activating, antidepressant effect at certain dosages. Nevertheless I think better a benzo.
~sdb
Posted by Chairman_MAO on March 12, 2006, at 22:35:38
In reply to One beer daily?, posted by tepiaca on March 9, 2006, at 23:24:38
In the long term, you will end up drinking one beer per hour to maintain the effect. Doing this with wine is probably a better idea.
I personally do not like alcohol very much, and think there are better and safer drugs out there.
However--despite the fact that it is so incredibly toxic--alcohol still is not what neo-temperence-nazis make it out to be.
Shelter-based managed alcohol administration to chronicallyhomeless people addicted to alcohol
Tiina Podymow, Jeff Turnbull, Doug Coyle, Elizabeth Yetisir and George WellsFrom the Inner City Health Project, University of Ottawa, and the Department of Medicine, Ottawa Hospital (Podymow, Turnbull); the Clinical Epidemiology Program of the Ottawa Health Research Institute and the Department of Medicine, University of Ottawa (Coyle); the University of Ottawa (Yetisir); and the Department of Epidemiology and Community Medicine, University of Ottawa (Wells), Ottawa, Ont.
Correspondence to: Dr. Tiina Podymow, tpodymow@uottawa.ca and Dr. Jeff Turnbull, The Ottawa Hospital, 501 Smyth Rd., Rm. LM12, Ottawa ON K1H 8L6; fax 613 737-8851; turnbull@ottawahospital.on.ca
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Background: People who are homeless and chronically alcoholic have increased health problems, use of emergency services and police contact, with a low likelihood of rehabilitation. Harm reduction is a policy to decrease the adverse consequences of substance use without requiring abstinence. The shelter-based Managed Alcohol Project (MAP) was created to deliver health care to homeless adults with alcoholism and to minimize harm; its effect upon consumption of alcohol and use of crisis services is described as proof of principle.Methods: Subjects enrolled in MAP were dispensed alcohol on an hourly basis. Hospital charts were reviewed for all emergency department (ED) visits and admissions during the 3 years before and up to 2 years after program enrolment, and the police database was accessed for all encounters during the same periods. The results of blood tests were analyzed for trends. A questionnaire was administered to MAP participants and staff about alcohol use, health and activities of daily living before and during the program. Direct program costs were also recorded.
Results: Seventeen adults with an average age of 51 years and a mean duration of alcoholism of 35 years were enrolled in MAP for an average of 16 months. Their monthly mean group total of ED visits decreased from 13.5 to 8 (p = 0.004); police encounters, from 18.1 to 8.8 (p = 0.018). Changes in blood test findings were nonsignificant. All program participants reported less alcohol consumption during MAP, and subjects and staff alike reported improved hygiene, compliance with medical care and health.
Interpretation: A managed alcohol program for homeless people with chronic alcoholism can stabilize alcohol intake and significantly decrease ED visits and police encounters.
Posted by Michael Bell on March 13, 2006, at 14:14:49
In reply to One beer daily?, posted by tepiaca on March 9, 2006, at 23:24:38
Tepiaca, don't let uninformed doctors cut off your escape route from the maze of social phobia. If you cant find a doctor who will prescribe klonopin, order it online. The suffering isnt worth it.
>
> Do you think I could drink one beer in the
> morning everyday to help combat SP and lost
> of energy?
> I dont like how it taste but I like the way
> I feel, More calm and focused around people.
> I drank one beer 3 hours ago, and I feel better
> in this moment. I would do anything to recover
> 50% of my life.
> Maybe this post have to be made in the alternative , sorry
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