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Posted by AdaGrace on March 18, 2005, at 14:02:57
Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Posted by Susan47 on March 18, 2005, at 16:07:16
In reply to Holy Mary, Mother of God, posted by AdaGrace on March 18, 2005, at 14:02:57
((((Adagrace)))) You may elaborate, if you wish.
Posted by Damos on March 20, 2005, at 15:46:32
In reply to Holy Mary, Mother of God, posted by AdaGrace on March 18, 2005, at 14:02:57
Thinking of you (((((AdaGrace))))) and hoping the hour didn't arrive before this post. Please don't go going before I get a chance to know you better. I'd really miss your posts.
Posted by AdaGrace on March 21, 2005, at 9:13:56
In reply to Holy Mary, Mother of God, posted by AdaGrace on March 18, 2005, at 14:02:57
This post was in reference to sining not the hour of death. I appologize if anyone took it differently than I intended.
I have a serious Guilty Catholic Complex.
Sining is my way of life and feeling guilty for it is my subconcious doing it's part to make me feel seriously down for the sins I do.
AdaGrace
Posted by Susan47 on March 21, 2005, at 12:11:18
In reply to Re: Holy Mary, Mother of God, posted by AdaGrace on March 21, 2005, at 9:13:56
Hm. I don't believe in God, so I don't have that guilt at all, AG, but I still feel really crummy when I hurt.
Posted by AdaGrace on March 22, 2005, at 16:56:04
In reply to Re: Holy Mary, Mother of God, posted by Susan47 on March 21, 2005, at 12:11:18
I'm afraid not to believe.
Posted by 10derHeart on March 22, 2005, at 22:05:24
In reply to Re: Holy Mary, Mother of God » Susan47, posted by AdaGrace on March 22, 2005, at 16:56:04
Amen. My thoughts exactly.
Posted by sunny10 on March 23, 2005, at 11:50:19
In reply to Re: Holy Mary, Mother of God » AdaGrace, posted by 10derHeart on March 22, 2005, at 22:05:24
I'm not a Catholic, but I think that somewhere in the Bible it suggests that you should believe that only God can forgive. To sin err is human, to forgive, divine.
Catholics are only asked to recognize their sins, request forgiveness and ATTEMPT to live without sin. And that it is already understood that humans will go on to sin again- they are not perfect; only God is perfect.
So if that's true, wouldn't feeling guilty be more of a sin than any of the others? I mean, feeling guilty (feeling that one should be perfect) is holding oneself up to God's standards which should be the sin of pride, shouldn't it??
I'm not trying to be a wisea** here. I really don't understand why every Catholic person I know says that they feel guilty for sinning. Doesn't your religion teach that sinning is human? And that God expects you to be human?
I really am confused.... I'm hoping that no one will take offense and that you will tell me where my logic has gone astray, because obviously it has... I'm missing something in my education.
I have wrote on another board how I have taken part in many different religions over the span of my life and I feel that my education is lacking.
Would someone enlighten me, please?
Humbly thanking anyone in advance who can answer me,
Sunny10
Posted by sunny10 on March 23, 2005, at 11:51:16
In reply to Re: Holy Mary, Mother of God » AdaGrace, posted by 10derHeart on March 22, 2005, at 22:05:24
Posted by Mark H. on March 23, 2005, at 14:58:25
In reply to Re: a serious question- no offense meant..., posted by sunny10 on March 23, 2005, at 11:50:19
Dear Sunny,
AdaGrace or someone else will have to answer for Catholics, but Vajrayana Buddhists draw a clear distinction between regret and guilt. We strive to sincerely regret our past wrongdoings and vow not to repeat them (even though we know we probably will), but we also strive not to indulge in feeling guilty about them, which is not about what we've done to others but how we feel about ourselves. Does this make any sense? I feel like I'm not saying it very well.
Best wishes,
Mark H.
Posted by sunny10 on March 24, 2005, at 9:39:34
In reply to Re: a serious question- no offense meant..., posted by Mark H. on March 23, 2005, at 14:58:25
yes, that I am aware of. It seems to me to be the logical outcome of the Catholic teachings that I outlined, as well.
But I feel I must be missing a piece of that outline...
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