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Posted by alexandra_k on October 17, 2004, at 3:31:22
I find it hard to get to sleep.
Wittgenstein round and round my mind
Whereof one cannot speak thereof one must be silent.
I wish he’d take his own advice.
Jasmine starts up her noise
Wailing, crying, screaming
Katie goes to sleep in the howling storm
She doesn’t mind the rain.In my dreams I watch them
From my disembodied place.
I see them do things
And say things.
I am burning with shame when I wake up.
Depression is worst in the mornings.
Posted by zeugma on October 18, 2004, at 14:43:06
In reply to Hypnogogic Phenomena, posted by alexandra_k on October 17, 2004, at 3:31:22
> I find it hard to get to sleep.
> Wittgenstein round and round my mind
> Whereof one cannot speak thereof one must be silent.
> I wish he’d take his own advice. <good!>
> Jasmine starts up her noise
> Wailing, crying, screaming
> Katie goes to sleep in the howling storm
> She doesn’t mind the rain.
>
> In my dreams I watch them
> From my disembodied place. <where I am too often>
> I see them do things
> And say things.
> I am burning with shame when I wake up.<I know that feeling>
> Depression is worst in the mornings.i hope you don't mind i interpolated my comments.
> i can't resist a composition of any kind titled 'hypnagogic phenomena.' hobson who has written a book about it says alien abductees are actually experiencing these phenomena. i dread them, they are a sign that my CNS is breaking down.wittgenstein also said 'language speaks for itself.' does this have something to do with the vacuity of the identity-sign in the Tractatus?
random thoughts of a highly frustrated philosophy student, whose language does not seem to speak for itself.
-z
Posted by alexandra_k on October 18, 2004, at 23:19:22
In reply to Re: Hypnogogic Phenomena, posted by zeugma on October 18, 2004, at 14:43:06
> wittgenstein also said 'language speaks for itself.' does this have something to do with the vacuity of the identity-sign in the Tractatus?
I have no idea! Whats the 'vacuity of the identity sign'? I don't mind you inserting your comments :-)
> random thoughts of a highly frustrated philosophy student, whose language does not seem to speak for itself.
I am studying philosophy too. What area do you like the best? Do you do analytic or continental or both?
Posted by zeugma on October 19, 2004, at 18:47:21
In reply to Re: Hypnogogic Phenomena » zeugma, posted by alexandra_k on October 18, 2004, at 23:19:22
> > wittgenstein also said 'language speaks for itself.' does this have something to do with the vacuity of the identity-sign in the Tractatus?
>
> I have no idea! Whats the 'vacuity of the identity sign'? I don't mind you inserting your comments :-)
>
> > random thoughts of a highly frustrated philosophy student, whose language does not seem to speak for itself.
>
> I am studying philosophy too. What area do you like the best? Do you do analytic or continental or both?
>
>
I like metaphysics the best, but I often get lost in it. I do analytic philosophy. As Quine says, it is for those those who prefer desert landscapes. But as David Armstrong (who impressed me highly in person)once said, "Quine often sticks his head in the sand like an ostrich." I have done my share of sticking my head in the sand. That's a lot of the reason I'm in my present position.
i'm too busy at the moment getting my head out of the sand to discuss the vacuity of the identity-sign, but hopefully I'll be in a condition to do so soon.
-z
Posted by alexandra_k on October 20, 2004, at 0:56:03
In reply to Re: Hypnogogic Phenomena » alexandra_k, posted by zeugma on October 19, 2004, at 18:47:21
> I like metaphysics the best
Jeez Louise, pick something easy why don't you!!! I am not suprised that you get lost in it at times. I never met Armstrong, but I met his heir last summer (Frank Jackson). He kind of continues his philosophy of mind stuff (from the identity theory to functionalism) rather than continuing on his metaphysics though (to the best of my knowledge).
"Quine often sticks his head in the sand like an ostrich."
Ah, this would be 'Ostrich Nominalism' - I did a course in metaphysics last year and had to write on Armstrongian realism about universals. I thought his position sounded absurd to start with - until I came to trying to critique it at which point I came to respect it immensely. I am fond of the notion that there can be an 'indefinate number of final sciences that can explain all the past present and future nerve hits of mankind' (Quine) - and thus I do not hold out much hope that (1) there will be a 'final science' and (2) that there is only one way that that final science will go.
If we get rid of the guff about the 'final science' telling us what universals and particulars there are I think I could almost buy it, but then realism collapses back into conceptualism (In my opinion) as our (conceptual)theories postulate the existance of particulars and universals and thus it is always a matter of human decision.
I would love to know about the identity thing if you can find the time. If not, then that is cool, I understand. Good luck with your studies, there aren't so many philosophers out there and so it is always nice to meet a new one.
:-)
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