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Posted by SummerSanders on February 19, 2004, at 11:31:51
Is is really so bad
Or do we wallow in our misery
poor me poor me
I'm so depressed
I'm so anxious
I need this pill
I need that one
Our lives are sooo bad
We think we think
Or do we need
to just move on
too much time on our hands
to dwell in our selves
Spend some time in the cancer ward
Burn unit
trama center
Sick kids
amputees
They seem happy
no thoughts of suicide
they ARE dying to live
why are we living to die
Posted by Jai Narayan on February 21, 2004, at 7:34:01
In reply to one life to live, posted by SummerSanders on February 19, 2004, at 11:31:51
Posted by SummerSanders on February 23, 2004, at 18:07:45
In reply to I have pondered this long and hard...it's a puzzle (nm), posted by Jai Narayan on February 21, 2004, at 7:34:01
It is basically about how lucky we are just to be alive. Sometimes people forget how precious life is because they are absorbed in their own "mental" s*&^. I guess I just felt bad about worrying about anxiety and depression when their are people who are being blown up, dying of cancer and other diseases, in freak accidents. Life is short really, ya know?
Posted by Jai Narayan on February 23, 2004, at 20:29:40
In reply to Re: I have pondered this long and hard...it's a puzzle, posted by SummerSanders on February 23, 2004, at 18:07:45
I know I have struggled long and hard to have a life.
But....sometimes it's our personal struggles that get us down.
Someone right next to us may have huge pain, difficulty, stress...etc. but it's all in the ability to flow with the lessons. We seem to always get right up to the edge...look down into the abyss.
Always searching for happiness.
I have a friend who is in a wheel chair, he has diabetes, has had a quadruple heart by pass, kidney failure, parathyroid removed resulting in a tracheotomy...and he is up beat and friendly when you meet him.Go figure????
I guess it's all in the genes????
I really don't understand why one person feels like a victim and the other is so happy to be alive....
Posted by SummerSanders on February 24, 2004, at 12:02:35
In reply to the funny thing about life...., posted by Jai Narayan on February 23, 2004, at 20:29:40
I know..I completely agree..Recently I have felt pretty disgusted and selfish when I complain about my problems that are so trivial and nonexistent in the whole "scheme" of things. I was recently very depressed, for no real reason, and I kept crying all the time, etc. I then saw something about this girl who had been literally burned alive in a car accident, Her face was completely burned off after being hit by a drunk driver that hit her car which exploded. She was so positive and upbeat, with such a will to live. It made me sick that I was dwelling on my ridiculously petty issues or lack their of. I think I might volunteer to work in an emergency room or burn unit, or cancer ward, just so I can get a dose of reality and worry about someone other than myself for once... I have to be honest, sometimes when I read these posts of people tetering on the edge of suicide and wanted to end their life, I began to wonder how bad their situations truly are..Perhaps they are bad, or they perceive them as being so terrible.
Posted by Karen_kay on February 24, 2004, at 14:14:47
In reply to Re: the funny thing about life...., posted by SummerSanders on February 24, 2004, at 12:02:35
The funny thing is that life is all about perception.. When something's going on in your life, whether others view it as "big" or "small" it doesn't help ease the pain.
I try to be upbeat and positive in my posts. I do this because I am an upbeat person. Therapy has helped with that, along with meds. I don't get down anymore (Oh God, let's all knock on wood for me..) and I think it's a blessing. I could go on about my parent's physical and sexual abuse, or the fact that I'm losing my therapist, or that I can't make or maintain any type of emotional atttachment.... Oh, I could talk for days, weeks years..But I try not to too often, as I feel this board needs positivity. I've noticed that when someone's down, it spirals for others as well.. That's why I try my hardest to not get down. But, when I do, it's nice to have a friend IM me, or to gripe and moan on the board. That's what it is here for.
I can't say that I agree or disagree with you. Everyone has problems and everyone has ways of dealing with these problems. But, I'd have to say when someone's considering suicide and reaches out on the board, their problems aren't "small" to them. And that means that I almost absorb their problems as well.
I think if we all thought positive thoughts, like I try to then we wouldn't be "dwelling" on our problems. But, at the same time, if we aren't dwelling on our problems, how in the world to we expect to fix them and learn from them?
So, basically, what's small to one prson can be exeptionally huge to another. It isn't a contest aobut who hurts more and who really "deserves" to be considering ending their lives. It's real to that person, even if it seems small to others.I think working in a cancer hospital or volunteering elsewhere is a great idea. But, I tend to absorb emotions, so I'd become depressed thinking of the lovely people who are hurt or dying. I'd be too much for me.
But, I used to volunteer at a nursing home and paint fingernails. And the ladies just loved it. So did I. But, I didn't do it to put my life in perspective. I did it because I wanted to help the ladies there feel beautiful. ANd the smiles on their faces proved to me that they felt beautiful.
Please comment, as I do want to continue this discussion. I just have mixed emotions about it. What's real to a person is very real, regardless of whether other people see it or not.
As a girl who has tried to commit suicide twice (obviously I can't do anything right.. And I'm so glad aobut that "flaw") feel that understanding the person and their struggles is much more worthwhile than invalidating them. I don't know how many times I've heard, "But you have so much to live for, ect" At the time, it didn't seem that way. It seemed empty and dark. And I understand where people are coming from when they talk about it. It seems to just hang over your head and call to you.
Posted by SummerSanders on February 24, 2004, at 14:44:43
In reply to Re: the funny thing about life.... » SummerSanders, posted by Karen_kay on February 24, 2004, at 14:14:47
I hope I did not offend you or anyone on the site. I was just expressing some recent thoughts. I saw some images of people who were truly and inarguably in pain and suffering and it honestly did change my perspective..Again, I hope I did not offend anyone.
Posted by Jai Narayan on February 24, 2004, at 20:33:47
In reply to Re: the funny thing about life.... » SummerSanders, posted by Karen_kay on February 24, 2004, at 14:14:47
>I could go on about my parent's physical and sexual abuse,
*I am so sorry.....I've never heard you talk about his before. I was abused too, that's why I did EMDR. It really helped. I was such a different person before the EMDR and now I can live with much more comfort and closeness.
>or the fact that I'm losing my therapist, or that I can't make or maintain any type of emotional atttachment....
*I know that was hard for me too.
> their problems aren't "small" to them.
* I totally agree there are no small problems. but things that I think are unbearable these people seem to take in stride...I am such a weakling that I would be so depressed if it was me.
> But, I used to volunteer at a nursing home and paint fingernails. And the ladies just loved it. So did I. But, I didn't do it to put my life in perspective. I did it because I wanted to help the ladies there feel beautiful. ANd the smiles on their faces proved to me that they felt beautiful.*I love that you did that. I hope when I'm in a nursing home you can come and paint my nails blood red.
> As a girl who has tried to commit suicide twice
*I can relate. I too have attempted. So has everyone in my family. For a long time I couldn't make a committement to my therapist not to consider sucide as an alternative to the pain. They don't like that. I guess I can understand but I really couldn't be dishonest with them.
> It seems to just hang over your head and call to you.
*Yup....
I have to say that I am glad I am alive to know you and I'm so happy you are alive to know me. Just think we might not have connected if either of us had been successful....amazing.
I would have missed it.
I know it.
tons of huggs and kisses
Posted by Jai Narayan on February 24, 2004, at 20:34:52
In reply to Re: the funny thing about life...., posted by SummerSanders on February 24, 2004, at 14:44:43
Posted by Karen_kay on February 25, 2004, at 8:11:16
In reply to Re: the funny thing about life...., posted by SummerSanders on February 24, 2004, at 14:44:43
No NO No NO NOOO!!! You didn't offend me in the slightest. Again, I have mixed emotions on what you posted. It's not that I agree or disagree completely with what you said. And I do think that sometimes people just let things get them down.
It's just funny how people deal with those things. Some run for a bottle of pills. Others avoid the issue completely. And yet some use creativity to help release their emotions. I wander what causes people to deal with things while they're young and pick up their habits of avoidance, or suicide, ect.... I'm certain those coping mechanisms start at a very young age.
Please don't think you offended me. I tried to word my post carefully, but I usually fail to do so :) It's an interesting subject. You shouldn't be so quick to apologize when you say something that makes others think. No apologies needed, I assure you. Just wondering out loud, I suppose. I have a habit of doing that, you know.I'm just not sure that your suggestion would work for me, as seeing such things would destroy my fantasy that the world is a perfect place. And I'm not ready to let go of that fantasy...
(Repeating to myself) *Bad things don't happen, bad things don't happen....
Thanks for your post. It was thought-provoking.
Posted by PoohBear on February 26, 2004, at 12:40:52
In reply to one life to live, posted by SummerSanders on February 19, 2004, at 11:31:51
Summer:
What a great way to look at problems in comparison to others. Thanks!
Tony
Posted by PoohBear on February 26, 2004, at 12:42:13
In reply to Re: the funny thing about life.... » SummerSanders, posted by Karen_kay on February 24, 2004, at 14:14:47
Karen:
You are an unbelieveable blessing. I'm sooooooo glad your two attempts failed. Thanks for your positivity!
Tony
Posted by SummerSanders on February 26, 2004, at 19:42:24
In reply to Re: the funny thing about life.... » Karen_kay, posted by PoohBear on February 26, 2004, at 12:42:13
i apologize if I bummed anyone out seriously, that's the last thing this group needs.. ;) Honestly, i am just in one of those pissy, it's all in your head, it's all what you make it, change your life then, you have everything going for you....phase. WHy does all that stuff make me want to jump out the window? I think, what it is, is I feel like such a friggin failure, because I really have had everything, and why do I just $#@$ myself and my life up all the time. I feel sooo bad when I see someone in a wheelchair or obese, and here I am just throwing away my life..I feel like such a worthless human. Plus, I hate my job, have like one friend, got two dui's last year. I could go on? But i a, just trying to pull out of this hole. Guess the wellbutrin really working for me,,Not@
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