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Posted by tennisplayer on October 7, 2007, at 1:27:41
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by tonda on October 6, 2007, at 17:51:42
Tonda, I am so sad to hear what this drug has done to you . My husband read yesterday in USA today that some lawsuit is being brought against the manufacturers of Cymbalta for false advertising. It definitely doesn;t help depression or pain. It made me more depressed than I have ever been in my life. I still am having withdrawal symptoms now at 36 days off of the stuff. I found a site that has some suggestions of how to get yourself back to normal again, and will forward it to you as soon as possible. cant locate it right now. Mainly they say to do calm things, look at beautiful things , try to avoid family and friends for a bit (not in a bad way) but because they can't believe a drug could do anything so powerful to you (But I know that it can--it did really bad things to me-- and I always thought antidepressants were just mild sorts of medicines before. In your case though great great harm has been done to you. I still believe you can get things together again and begin to enjoy your life again. You should tell your story in as many different ways and places as you can I think--that in itself may keep other people from having to go through what you have. Hang in there. will send the info later. tennisplayer
Posted by moesje on October 7, 2007, at 20:34:35
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by tennisplayer on October 7, 2007, at 1:27:41
just found this site, hope it help someone while withdrawing.
Posted by tennisplayer on October 8, 2007, at 9:12:55
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by moesje on October 7, 2007, at 20:34:35
That is the site I was hoping to mention on here, www.antidepressantsfacts.com/taper posted by moesje, especially to the lady who posted recently, and had had a suicidal attempt caused by being on Cymbalta. They have some really good advice, and you don't have to buy this or that herb or whatever. It is a very good site in my opinion. I am 38 days completely off Cymbalta and have had most of my withdrawal symptoms either go away or lessen, but still have some. Has anyone there gone as long as three months before reaching normal state? Or do you think it probably takes about a full year to get back to complete normal state? In the USA today and other places I have seen recent lawsuits being filed against makers of Cymbalta. Anyone seen any detailed in fo on that. thanks,
Posted by moesje on October 8, 2007, at 9:28:57
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by tennisplayer on October 8, 2007, at 9:12:55
Good, I'm glad I found it for everyone by accident!
I've been completely off since May 22 (only started in Nov, but it was still rough). I tapered quickly, half a dose for 2 days, third of a dose for 2 days, nothing for 1 day and a quarter dose for 2 days, then cold turkey. Way too quick, but I wanted off! I went through all the harsh withdrawals, had lots of love and support from my husband and teenage daughters and a very good girlfriend, all who knew what was going on with me and put up with my babbling (I must have been really manic at times). This drug along with a slower lifestyle caused me to gain 25 pounds, my health as of end of July was in danger. I'm 5 foot 1 inch, but at 145 lbs, high cholesterol and bad triglicerides, I was at a high risk for heart attack at age 45 unless I did something. In August I began a full time position in men's retail and have so far lost 15 lbs. By the time I interviewed for the job in late August, I had no more symptoms, unless I underslept AND was stressed at the same time. This coming Friday I celebrate 2 months on the job, and will still feel like I have the flu or something if I don't eat well and don't sleep enough. So it's residual, but does get less and less with time.
As for lawsuits, I spent 3 hours searching the net last night. Most of the lawsuits are finished as of 3+ years ago, deal with surviving family members of a suicidal victim of Cymbalta, or someone who has had physical damage like liver or something like that. I plan to keep checking, though.
Hope this helps someone.
Moesje> That is the site I was hoping to mention on here, www.antidepressantsfacts.com/taper posted by moesje, especially to the lady who posted recently, and had had a suicidal attempt caused by being on Cymbalta. They have some really good advice, and you don't have to buy this or that herb or whatever. It is a very good site in my opinion. I am 38 days completely off Cymbalta and have had most of my withdrawal symptoms either go away or lessen, but still have some. Has anyone there gone as long as three months before reaching normal state? Or do you think it probably takes about a full year to get back to complete normal state? In the USA today and other places I have seen recent lawsuits being filed against makers of Cymbalta. Anyone seen any detailed in fo on that. thanks,
Posted by Tennisplayer on October 8, 2007, at 16:18:27
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity » tennisplayer, posted by moesje on October 8, 2007, at 9:28:57
Moesje, thank you for that information. That helps me to know what to expect in the coming months. I,too, still have times duringthe day when I feel like I am exhausted--they come on suddenly, and last about 3 hours. Sometimes I take a nap if I can but either way I don't feel really well until several hours after the onset of that exhausted feeling. If I do nap I often have upsetting depressing dreams and do not wake feeling refreshed even if I sleep as much as l-1/2 hours. I usually have to take a caffeine pill and drink coffee or diet coke to get going again. But thankfully by 6 hours later I usually start to feel pretty good and peppy again. I guess I need to heed what you said about eating correctly and getting plenty of sleep. That would probably cut some of those exhausted feeling episodes out. I feel so much more alive now and happier than I have been in years. I want the lady who had the suicide attempt to realize that she can feel that way again. When you are in the worst of the aftermath of Cymbalta it is hard to believe you can ever be happy or feel good again. But you can. I realize that all of us have other factors besides just the Cymbalta exposure that have to be dealt with to get back to happy meaninful life again, but just knowing that Cymbalta was a big part of my problem and learning that you can recover from it has helped me so much. It is still an ongoing work to keep mentally healthy, and I think we should all continue with psychological counselors or good friends who are able to help or whatever to get to the bottom of what started us feeling like we needed to take an antidepressant in the first place. And I don't think just going on another antidepressant is a good answer. You have to be unmedicated enough to have your mind alert and able to sift through what has happened in your life and relationships to unravel that problem and get it fixed. You will never be able to do it under the influence of "antidepressants" that actually are mind-numbing, personality-obliterating drugs that keep you from using your intelligence and working with someone who can help you to get to the real reasons that you are depressed, and those are not usually some "chemical imbalance in the brain", but the emotional hurts and destructive behaviors from other people and yourself that have made you depressed. I know that all emotions we feel have a base in neurochemical reactions that happen in our brain, but we have been misled into thinking that those are the cause of the depression. The reason those kinds of chemical reactions start repeating themselves and forming a pattern that possibly does become a chemical imbalance or something (and that is just a theory with no proof yet, see "Your Drug May Be Your Problem" by Dr. Peter Breggin) is that life events and caustic and toxic relationships and people have caused you to start developing those negative chemical patterns in your brain to begin with. Until you make peace with those things, and learn how to deal with them, the best you will do is be turning yourself into a walking "vegetable" as far as being able to feel any emotions at all--you won't feel that much pain, but you won't feel that much joy either. And the problem will still be there, plus the tons of harmful problems that antidepressants leave you with when you take them. There may be some mild antidepressants at low dose taken only for a week or two that might have some useful ness in a crisis situation, but after that I think they should be stopped. Just on the basis of having seen what they do to other people and myself--they don't help, they make things terribly worse for people. Sorry to rant on and on (I am still experiencing the babbling manic type withdrawal symptoms to some degree but there is some truth in what I am saying). Please, people if you have any doubts, read that book Your Drug May be Your Problem, and visit the site antidepressantfacts.com. Those are so helpful. People attempting suicide or completing it are two of the worst results of Cymbalta, but there are dozens of other horrible results of using Cymbalta that are causing damage to people and that people are starting to demand legal action about. I also am going to check for more of those issues--which involve not only people who killed themselves or someone else, but people who have suffered terrible physical residuals like dangerously high blood pressure (and not just from weight gain, but from the effect that Specific Norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (which is one half of what Cymbalta has in it. the other half being the Specific Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) have on the body and especially the autonomic nervous system and regulators of things like cholesterol, triglycerides, glaucoma, respiratory malfunction, etc. I found out last week that my cholesterol was 398 and my blood pressure was 168/90. It used to run 120/70 almost all the time. I lost 20 pounds on Cymbalta and started gaining like crazy once I went off it, which is the reverse of what most people do, but it totally messes up your metabolic regulators of blood pressure, cholesterol etc. regardless of or in addition to the problems that way that it causes you because of weight gain. Even my optometrist knew that Cymbalta causes a rise in blood pressure. He also knew it can cause glaucoma or worsen glaucoma. Public awareness is rapidly increasing about the devastating effects of these psychiatric and psychoactive drugs, especially the ones that deal with norepinephrine as well as serotonin. Someone posted on here about 6 weeks ago and mentioned the book "Your Drug May be Your Problem" and that is how I happened to find about it and read it. Thanks to that person and if anyone else has read it and wants to discuss it please let me know and I will send you my email address. Someone else wrote back and said they didn't have to read the book to know something was wrong with them. I knew something was wrong with me also long before I read that book. In fact that is why I read that book. Because I hoped it would give me further information about my problem with the drug and ways to help, and it did. That is why I think it would help many people who are dealing with Cymbalta side effects, with drawal effects and other SSRI and SNRI drugs in the same class. Most of the others also produce the same problems. thanks for your time. let me hear from you. thank you.
Posted by moesje on October 12, 2007, at 22:10:32
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity » moesje, posted by Tennisplayer on October 8, 2007, at 16:18:27
> Moesje, thank you for that information. That helps me to know what to expect in the coming months. I,too, still have times duringthe day when I feel like I am exhausted--they come on suddenly, and last about 3 hours. >>
Sorry, been busy working . . a joyous thing in my life these days. I'm glad my story helped you, I also hope it helps someone else on their way out of this hole.
Literally, HANG IN THERE everyone. You can have your life back, along with all the problems you had before, but at least it's YOUR life!
Posted by tennisplayer on October 13, 2007, at 11:09:02
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by moesje on October 12, 2007, at 22:10:32
Moesje, thank you. I am about 40 days out now off of Cymbalta. Still plagued with high blood pressure and high cholesterol (never had high blood pressure before in my life), but the other withdrawal symptoms are going away pretty fast now. One thing that helps me calm down some and sleep better is Atenolol (a blood pressure medicine) at a low dose (10 mg). My internal medicine doctor said I only need take it for a week or so. I take it on days when I don't have to be extremely active, but it does help lower my blood pressure and produce a pleasant calm without turning me into a zombie. However, I do not intend to take it any longer than the next week or two, and then only occasionally, as I don't want to get into another mind-numbing drug situation. I am also doing a modified version of the Atkins diet, which allows about 60 grams of carbohydrate a day with more to be added in in later phases of the diet, and have lost 8 pounds in 12 days and feeling much more energetic, since I got away from that carbohydrate binging I was on for 5 weeks after quitting Cymbalta. This diet also helps bring your cholesterol down, as it is now known that overeating of carbohydrates triggers your own body to make cholesterol, and that own-body made cholesterol is where 80% of the cholesterol circulating in your blood comes from, not from dietary intake of fat and protein (as the AMA and AHA thought for so long and told all of us.) It became more and more apparent that the high carbohydrate/low fat diet did not work for either weight loss or cholesterol lowering,which circumstance is now proven by scientific studies and by my personal experience in my case. I was one of those people who lost weight on Cymbalta, but when I quit it I gained weight and ravenously craved and stuffed carbohydrates (protein seemed a nauseous prospect). That is probably one reason my cholesterol was 398, and my blood pressure was 168/90 when all my life it has run 120/70. In addition they now know that Cymbalta and other norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors often cause pathologic blood pressure rise on a chemical reaction basis, not just from weight gain. Sorry to go on and on, but if anyone else found themselves in that carbohydrate ravenous craving cycle either while tapering or off of Cymbalta, I thought it might help them get out of it to know that the Atkins diet is one option for doing so. I am now free from that extreme carbohydrate craving. It is tough the first 3 or 4 days though and you need to be able to lie down or handle the headache and fatigue that comes those first few days. After that you have tons more energy each day. thanks
Posted by moesje on October 13, 2007, at 12:12:22
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity » moesje, posted by tennisplayer on October 13, 2007, at 11:09:02
Glad to hear you're doing better. Everybody is getting off this in a different way with diets, exercise and such. It's good to share what works for you, as it might work for someone else.
> Moesje, thank you. I am about 40 days out now off of Cymbalta. Still plagued with high blood pressure and high cholesterol (never had high blood pressure before in my life), but the other withdrawal symptoms are going away pretty fast now. One thing that helps me calm down some and sleep better is Atenolol (a blood pressure medicine) at a low dose (10 mg). My internal medicine doctor said I only need take it for a week or so. I take it on days when I don't have to be extremely active, but it does help lower my blood pressure and produce a pleasant calm without turning me into a zombie. However, I do not intend to take it any longer than the next week or two, and then only occasionally, as I don't want to get into another mind-numbing drug situation. I am also doing a modified version of the Atkins diet, which allows about 60 grams of carbohydrate a day with more to be added in in later phases of the diet, and have lost 8 pounds in 12 days and feeling much more energetic, since I got away from that carbohydrate binging I was on for 5 weeks after quitting Cymbalta. This diet also helps bring your cholesterol down, as it is now known that overeating of carbohydrates triggers your own body to make cholesterol, and that own-body made cholesterol is where 80% of the cholesterol circulating in your blood comes from, not from dietary intake of fat and protein (as the AMA and AHA thought for so long and told all of us.) It became more and more apparent that the high carbohydrate/low fat diet did not work for either weight loss or cholesterol lowering,which circumstance is now proven by scientific studies and by my personal experience in my case. I was one of those people who lost weight on Cymbalta, but when I quit it I gained weight and ravenously craved and stuffed carbohydrates (protein seemed a nauseous prospect). That is probably one reason my cholesterol was 398, and my blood pressure was 168/90 when all my life it has run 120/70. In addition they now know that Cymbalta and other norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors often cause pathologic blood pressure rise on a chemical reaction basis, not just from weight gain. Sorry to go on and on, but if anyone else found themselves in that carbohydrate ravenous craving cycle either while tapering or off of Cymbalta, I thought it might help them get out of it to know that the Atkins diet is one option for doing so. I am now free from that extreme carbohydrate craving. It is tough the first 3 or 4 days though and you need to be able to lie down or handle the headache and fatigue that comes those first few days. After that you have tons more energy each day. thanks
Posted by anonymousfriend on October 13, 2007, at 21:22:52
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by tonda on October 6, 2007, at 17:51:42
I have read a lot of negative stuff about Cymbalta, but I want to say I thought it was better than many. My daughter is bipolar, and her psychologist thought it would be a good idea if I took something to mellow myself out, so she suggested Lexapro. I took it for 1 year and a half, and in that time, gained about 20 pounds. When I realized that's what caused the weight gain, I asked my doctor to switch me, so he put me on Wellbutrin. My daughter was having a lot of problems at school at that time, and the Wellbutrin just wasn't cutting it, so I asked him to switch me again.
He put me on 30mg of Cymbalta a day. I disagree with those people who feel that Cymbalta should be taken off the market. When he prescribed the medicine, my doctor told me that people need to take anti-depressants for different amounts of time and gave me some situational equations. Some people experience a traumatic experience and need to take something for a few months. Some people, like me, have situations that can last for a while, so they will take the medication for a year or so. Others who have persistent problems and hereditary issues may need to take it for life. Knowing this, I have to say I think it's very important that you and your doctor have a good relationship and that you don't just go to any doctor to get a prescription. I have been going to my doctor since I was 15 years old (I am now 39). He not only knows everything about me, including every psychological issue I have ever had; he also has a great since of humor, which is very important to me because laughter is the only way to deal with some psychological issues!
Anyway, I started taking the 30 mg a day, and noticed that I no longer continued to gain weight. That was a nice surprise. I have taken 30 mg a day for about a year now. It may be that I have experienced so much with my daughter that I am now numb to other people's comments or that she is exhibiting slight improvements, but I don't feel the need to take anything...right now at least. Plus, I recently got sick with respiratory issues and was taking so many meds for that, I actually forgot to take the Cymbalta.
As far as withdrawals, I am feeling the brain shocks that other people refer to, but I can say that I felt the same thing when I quit taking the Lexapro. They don't get worse as I smoke; they are only bad in the evenings. I usually have one drink before I go to bed and that seems to help.
The important thing is...are you happier on or off the pill? You should do whatever feels right for you. Don't take it because others expect you to; likewise, don't quit taking it because you think it makes you weak to need a crutch.
Good luck either way you decide to go!
Posted by moesje on October 13, 2007, at 22:10:52
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by anonymousfriend on October 13, 2007, at 21:22:52
I'm glad it's worked for you, and you've had very little in the way of withdrawals. I have taken wellbutrin, then lexapro for a year and then moved to cymbalta. when i told my doctor that i did NOT want an increased dosage that i just wanted off, he told me that cymbalta was meant to be effective for a few months anyway. the withdrawal he** i went through for just over 2 months was not worth the deadness i felt during the 6 months i was on it.
i agree that some are in need of some sort of medication for life, but for those of us that aren't in that position, this drug should not be prescribed.
i have typed legal transcripts at home for over 7 years, most of them related to children services and parents who don't take their meds for psychological needs, so i understand fully that some need it (read some of my earlier posts).
i for one will NEVER take another antidepressant again. when i looked back at how long i've been on one or another, i've missed the growing up of my two daughters. now that they're 15 and 16.5, i have to learn who they are as they're taking their final steps into adulthood and out of my home. what a shame that i missed all of that through the taking of drugs.
never mind that my teeth are all rotting and need to be pulled, i can't eat a salad no matter how hard i try, the pain of the cold destroys the enjoyment of the taste.
it goes on and on, and i started with elavil. i only hope that if this is the first time someone has been depressed and they're reading this site, maybe they will rethink what they're depressed about and find a way to move on without the drugs.
sorry, it's been a strange day for me, beyond tired, sleeping all day and it's my day off with a 5AM clock in tomorrow.
moesje
> I have read a lot of negative stuff about Cymbalta, but I want to say I thought it was better than many. My daughter is bipolar, and her psychologist thought it would be a good idea if I took something to mellow myself out, so she suggested Lexapro. I took it for 1 year and a half, and in that time, gained about 20 pounds. When I realized that's what caused the weight gain, I asked my doctor to switch me, so he put me on Wellbutrin. My daughter was having a lot of problems at school at that time, and the Wellbutrin just wasn't cutting it, so I asked him to switch me again.
>
> He put me on 30mg of Cymbalta a day. I disagree with those people who feel that Cymbalta should be taken off the market. When he prescribed the medicine, my doctor told me that people need to take anti-depressants for different amounts of time and gave me some situational equations. Some people experience a traumatic experience and need to take something for a few months. Some people, like me, have situations that can last for a while, so they will take the medication for a year or so. Others who have persistent problems and hereditary issues may need to take it for life. Knowing this, I have to say I think it's very important that you and your doctor have a good relationship and that you don't just go to any doctor to get a prescription. I have been going to my doctor since I was 15 years old (I am now 39). He not only knows everything about me, including every psychological issue I have ever had; he also has a great since of humor, which is very important to me because laughter is the only way to deal with some psychological issues!
>
> Anyway, I started taking the 30 mg a day, and noticed that I no longer continued to gain weight. That was a nice surprise. I have taken 30 mg a day for about a year now. It may be that I have experienced so much with my daughter that I am now numb to other people's comments or that she is exhibiting slight improvements, but I don't feel the need to take anything...right now at least. Plus, I recently got sick with respiratory issues and was taking so many meds for that, I actually forgot to take the Cymbalta.
>
> As far as withdrawals, I am feeling the brain shocks that other people refer to, but I can say that I felt the same thing when I quit taking the Lexapro. They don't get worse as I smoke; they are only bad in the evenings. I usually have one drink before I go to bed and that seems to help.
>
> The important thing is...are you happier on or off the pill? You should do whatever feels right for you. Don't take it because others expect you to; likewise, don't quit taking it because you think it makes you weak to need a crutch.
>
> Good luck either way you decide to go!
Posted by tennisplayer on October 14, 2007, at 8:03:20
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by anonymousfriend on October 13, 2007, at 21:22:52
You have made some really good points that will help a lot of people. Each individual may have a different response to a drug, and whatever makes you happier and have a fuller, more enjoyable life is the course to follow, whether it be to take the drug or not take it. From people who write in, it seems that those who remain on the low dose seem to either have the most benefit or at least do not have ill effects. In my individual case and from the hundreds of other posts I have seen from others who suffered the same severe problems on it, I would advise caution in dealing with it, and don't up the dose just because it doesn't seem to be doing anything or because the docor says "you need to be on the higher dose for it to be effective", or at least, if you do, watch closely for adverse effects. They don't show up right away, but develop over 3 or 4 months' time. It seemed relatively benign at first and I definitely was not bothered by many things, but eventually I was sleeping about 16 hours out of 24 and extremely apathetic to the point of becoming vegetable-like. Not everyone has those reactions, and it is probably wrong to say it should be taken off the market. As I have said before, it certainly has a place in times of crisis. And as we know, most of the people who are doing okay with it don't post on these boards; they are busily going about their lives. It is usually when you are having a severe problem with something that you seek informaton and help about it on the internet forums, and reaffirmation that you are not losing your mind. I am glad that it has been helpful to you. In my case my life is so much happier and I feel so much better physically off of Cymbalta that it is such an easy choice for me to make. Others may find themselves in a more gray area. The low dose and remaining at the low dose seems to be key. Also not staying on it for long periods of time seems to be a good idea. Most of the people who post favorably about it have one or both of those two factors going on, especailly the ones who have only been on it a month or two.
Posted by moesje on October 14, 2007, at 16:34:28
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity » anonymousfriend, posted by tennisplayer on October 14, 2007, at 8:03:20
All very true points. The people posting here may be the very small point-oh-something percent who will never do well on or withdrawing from Cymbalta.
Moesje
> You have made some really good points that will help a lot of people. Each individual may have a different response to a drug, and whatever makes you happier and have a fuller, more enjoyable life is the course to follow, whether it be to take the drug or not take it. From people who write in, it seems that those who remain on the low dose seem to either have the most benefit or at least do not have ill effects. In my individual case and from the hundreds of other posts I have seen from others who suffered the same severe problems on it, I would advise caution in dealing with it, and don't up the dose just because it doesn't seem to be doing anything or because the docor says "you need to be on the higher dose for it to be effective", or at least, if you do, watch closely for adverse effects. They don't show up right away, but develop over 3 or 4 months' time. It seemed relatively benign at first and I definitely was not bothered by many things, but eventually I was sleeping about 16 hours out of 24 and extremely apathetic to the point of becoming vegetable-like. Not everyone has those reactions, and it is probably wrong to say it should be taken off the market. As I have said before, it certainly has a place in times of crisis. And as we know, most of the people who are doing okay with it don't post on these boards; they are busily going about their lives. It is usually when you are having a severe problem with something that you seek informaton and help about it on the internet forums, and reaffirmation that you are not losing your mind. I am glad that it has been helpful to you. In my case my life is so much happier and I feel so much better physically off of Cymbalta that it is such an easy choice for me to make. Others may find themselves in a more gray area. The low dose and remaining at the low dose seems to be key. Also not staying on it for long periods of time seems to be a good idea. Most of the people who post favorably about it have one or both of those two factors going on, especailly the ones who have only been on it a month or two.
Posted by Troy Tempest on October 15, 2007, at 13:00:05
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity » tennisplayer, posted by moesje on October 14, 2007, at 16:34:28
To clarify - I do think that I benefited from being on Cymbalta. Out of Venlafaxine, Fluoxetine and Lithium, it seemed to be the only one that actually helped to get me through a major depressive illness.
I was on it for over 24 months, at maximum licensed dose for most of that period. I did not suffer any severe side-effects while taking it, and I was at work for almost the whole of that time, so it did not impact my ability to function (although I could have entered the sleep Olympics).
However, I had major withdrawal problems, despite reducing the dosage gradually over several months - as I have posted previously.
I don't necessarily believe that it should be withdrawn, but that the impact of using it (and coming off it) should be explained in much greater detail by the prescriber BEFORE anyone starts taking it.
TT
> All very true points. The people posting here may be the very small point-oh-something percent who will never do well on or withdrawing from Cymbalta.
>
> Moesje
Posted by moesje on October 15, 2007, at 14:19:36
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal - Publicity, posted by Troy Tempest on October 15, 2007, at 13:00:05
Yes, I agree, especially on the telling people about the withdrawals.
I was on it for only 6 months, and I personally did not benefit from it. I spent most of the time being tired, as if I'd been up all night long; no energy and just didn't care about things. Only in an emergency did I appear capable of dealing with life - like when my 14 year old daughter was sexually assaulted. Other than that, no emotions, no disires . . .all the same symptoms of being depressed.
Bottom line, it didn't work for me. I agree that each of these drugs work differently for different people, and someone out there has gained all the benefits promoted. And I sincerely agree that those who did NOT have problems with it at all are NOT the ones here complaining. Only the ones with difficulties.
In fact, I believe you've stated my beliefs better than I could . . . if you need a drug, get on it. If you don't need it any more, get off it. But make sure you know ALL of the possible side effects, both of being on and getting off.
Moesje
> To clarify - I do think that I benefited from being on Cymbalta. Out of Venlafaxine, Fluoxetine and Lithium, it seemed to be the only one that actually helped to get me through a major depressive illness.
>
> I was on it for over 24 months, at maximum licensed dose for most of that period. I did not suffer any severe side-effects while taking it, and I was at work for almost the whole of that time, so it did not impact my ability to function (although I could have entered the sleep Olympics).
>
> However, I had major withdrawal problems, despite reducing the dosage gradually over several months - as I have posted previously.
>
> I don't necessarily believe that it should be withdrawn, but that the impact of using it (and coming off it) should be explained in much greater detail by the prescriber BEFORE anyone starts taking it.
>
> TT
Posted by dashizen on October 16, 2007, at 20:29:49
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by Howie on September 26, 2005, at 19:30:20
I just found out I'm pregnant and my genius of a psychiatrist's brilliant suggestion is "cease any medication your on immediately". Well what a moron! I replied "uh- no, I don't think quitting Cymbalta cold turkey while I'm pregnant is a good idea". He responded with "oh- well then take 1/2 the dosage for a few days, then 1/2 of that for a few days and then quit it altogether". Um DUH! What a lacadasical approach this guy has had- and always has been this way with me. I am so annoyed with his lack of genuine concern. It's just straight LAZINESS on his part. UGH!
Anyhow- that was me venting. As everyone else has reported, I too am suffering with the constant vertigo / brain shock sensations and a general feeling of depression on top of being constantly nauseous from being in my first trimester of pregnancy. This sucks. I hate being pregnant, I hate being off Cymbalta- although I hate the fact that I was on it. It wasn't good for me anyway- it was a temporary quick-fix. Now I have to actually deal with life- and it freaking sucks right now! My last Cymbalta of approx. 15 mg was 2 days ago. I will let you know my progress later on.
-Tiff
Posted by Snap on October 16, 2007, at 22:46:47
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal and 7 weeks pregnant, posted by dashizen on October 16, 2007, at 20:29:49
Oh Doll -
I know how you feel and reading your post brought me right back there. I promise that it will pass. Being pregnant is hard enough - just know that your brain is zapping and your hormones are allover the place.
Keep talking about it...
and yummy chocolate :)
Posted by headaches r us on October 24, 2007, at 7:49:30
In reply to Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by Regina on March 3, 2005, at 16:37:18
I have a problem controlling my temper so my Doctor suggested I try Lexapro to help control the anger. I felt as though it was working but after being on it for 6 months I went from 230 lbs to 265 lbs while playing hockey and basketball 2 times a week. I talked to my doctor about this and he said it doesn't make you gain weight but said he would switch me over to Cymbalta as this was proven not to make you gain weight and was also so much better for you. WRONG MOVE I have been on Cymbalta for 9 months and blossemed up to 295 lbs. and my back started hurting alot more as well as pain in my knees. My wife said it was the weight the doctor thinks it is Arthritis I am only 44 years old so he recommended me going from 60 mg a day to 120 mg a day. I feel like crap from the 60 mg a day so there was no way I was going to increase to 120 mg a day. Well I originally started taking this to control my anger and it helped for a little while but has since become ineffective. I also got a new Job and relocated to Georgia while my wife and girls stayed in our home state to try and sell the house. I figured if I am not around her then my anger should not be hard to control, since it is only around her when I have a problem. Well on October 6th I stoppped taking the Cymbalta. I quit cold turkey and it has been rough but I think after 3 weeks of pure hell the posion in me is starting to wear off . I have had very bad dreams where I hurt people I care about chills, sweating, severe aches in all of my joints, I am nauseated constantly but slowly my body is starting to feel better and I am also losing a little weight. I cannot believe my doctor would put me on a medication with so many bad withdrawl symptoms. I have not told my wife about this as she would just go off on me and create more problems than what I am already dealing with. I cannot sleep at night but have no trouble sleeping at work which will probably get me fired eventually. I have no vacation time or sick time to use and there are certain days when I am so sick that I just wish I could stay home. If anyone has any suggestions to help me out I would sure appreciate them. By the way I am also taking Tricor for high cholesterol and Warafin for previous blood clots in my legs. I also have the factor five gene.
Posted by anonymousfriend on October 24, 2007, at 21:36:44
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by headaches r us on October 24, 2007, at 7:49:30
I asked my daughter's psychiatrist, and she said that she had never heard of any of those symptoms. (Needless to say, we are now looking for a new psych for her.) Afterward, I called my doctor, and he said symptoms last around three weeks. I had an allergy attack during my withdrawals and noticed that Benadryl helped with the "brain shock" feelings. Also, just in case anyone wondered, the withdrawals from the Cymbalta were a cake walk compared to the ones from Lexapro. I had taken Prozac when I was a teenager and don't remember experiencing anything like I have with either of these drugs. As far as controlling your anger, I don't know if it causes weight gain or not, but I hear Zoloft is wonderful for that....
Posted by tennisplayer on October 28, 2007, at 9:11:13
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by headaches r us on October 24, 2007, at 7:49:30
headaches r us: hang in there. It does get better eventually. I am now 2-2/3 months post my last dose of Cymbalta. Please, please do not let some doctor talk you into substituting another antidepressant. It is just more of the same toxic, debilitaing stuff. Tapering Cymbalta would have been better, but since you are now 3 weeks off of it completely, I would say keep going. A site that will help with tips on getting past withdrawal is www.antidepressantsfacts.com/reaction.htm. One of the tips they give is to avoid an abundance of contact with your loved ones and friends (not total isolation though!), because they will find it almost impossible to believe that a supposedly mild antidepressant could cause such horrible side effects and mood altering, personality altering withdrawal symptoms. As a result you begin to lose faith in them as well as vice versa. Eventually they will understand, when, after a month or two, you get back to a more reasonable, less hyper irritated personality. Mainly they suggest an alkaline type diet, non stimulating activities and positive, calming activities like a quiet walk, sauna or hot shower or tub soak, uplifting movies or reading, positive thoughts, flowers and other art objects of beauty. (I know you probably don't have time for a lot of this stuff if you are having to work a lot, but when you are off work do positive, sedating type things (but not zombie like). I hate that because I like the gory CSI type dramas on TV, but I see the reasoning behind it. Fortunately after two and a half months I have lost almost all of the withdrawal symptoms, including nightmares, night sweats, insomnia, agitated movement (akathisa), compulsion to talk non-stop, headaches, flu=like symptoms, gastrointestinal burping, indigestion, acid stomach, craving of carbohydrates to the point of binging on carbohydrates and wanting no other food group (my cholesterol also went up to 398, and my blood pressure went up to 168/95. It has always normally run 120/70 until I took this horrible Cymbalta. I lost weight (20 pounds while on Cymbalta, but gained about 10 the first two weeks or so I was off of it. I have had to do the Atkins diet to get that weight off and try to get my cholesterol down. Contrary to the old way of thinking, the Atkins diet does not increase cholesterol; it lowers it. Because they now know that it is carbohydrates that stimulate your own body to make cholesterol that accounts for the bulk of the cholesterol circulating in your blood--not the cholesterol you eat in your diet. All those weeks (about 8) that I was binging on carbohydrates no doubt ran my cholesterol way up--it used to be 270, which was bad enough. Lipitor and Zocar make my heart skip beats so I can't take them. Sorry to go on and on. Hang in there.
Posted by Troy Tempest on October 29, 2007, at 9:44:15
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by headaches r us on October 24, 2007, at 7:49:30
You are probably over the worst of the Cymbalta withdrawal effects now, so keep going!
It will take a couple of months to completely clear the effects - I've been off for 10 weeks and feel pretty clear.
Exercise really seems to help - and really helps with controlling weight gain as well! I'm now cycling 15 miles every day, and I've lost 18 pounds in the 10 weeks since stopping Cymbalta. Only another 42 to go!
Good luck.
Posted by withdrawing on November 17, 2007, at 3:59:25
In reply to Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by Regina on March 3, 2005, at 16:37:18
Can anyone tell me about how long to expect these withdrawal symptoms? I realize everyone is different, but if someone has been following these posters and has a general idea, it would be great to know!
Posted by tennisplayer on November 17, 2007, at 9:53:48
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by withdrawing on November 17, 2007, at 3:59:25
> Can anyone tell me about how long to expect these withdrawal symptoms? I realize everyone is different, but if someone has been following these posters and has a general idea, it would be great to know!
Withdrawing--You may have already read my several posts (Tennisplayer), but I tapered off Cymbalta for about 8 weeks, took my last dose on July 31, 2007, and have been through 3 months of withdrawal symptoms, but each month they have lessened in severity or disappeared, so that now I am fairly well back to normal with a few glitches. Some people report that they were over their withdrawal much quicker (in about one month or so.) I was on it for 11 months at 60 mg. How long you were taking it and at what dose affects how long your withdrawal symptoms will last and how severe they are, apparently. My worst early symptoms were nausea, insomnia, extreme anger and irritability, and compulsive talking. The nausea is gone completely. Insomnia is almost comopletely gone. I still have much quicker and stronger angry reactions to small things that normally I would probably ignore. Certain smells, any loud noises, etc. irritate me. I still tend to talk too much but it is getting under control. I plan to go to a psychological counselor when I can afford to, or go to a free clinic and discuss some of the anger/talking compulsion problems I still have. When I was on Cymbalta (and Amitriptyline at night, which I had taken for 10 years or so), I was so sleepy all the time that I slept most of the hours of the day and night, but never felt rested when I woke up--only like I wanted to go back to sleep. Neither I nor my doctor thought it could be from the Cymbalta, since I have interstitial cystitis a chronic severe pain disease that I have to take Lortab (hydrocodone) for. I have had to take Lortabs for 3 years now. We thought it was something with those making me sleepy. Once I quit the Cymbalta (just on my own, didn't tell doctor, didnt read drug info, did it cold turkey at first and had horrible withdrawal including severe nightmares, sweats, heat flushes, etc and extreme nausea). Anyway, while I was on the Cymbalta for 11 months I was like a zombie--no energy, no interest in anything except getting back to sleep. When I finally got off of it, I went to the other extreme, hyperactive, lots of energy, some happy (exstatic) mood phases, craving of sweets and carbohydrates almost exclusively (I gained 10 pounds). I lost 25 pounds while taking Cymbalta. Some people do just the opposite--they gain on Cymbalta.
Overall, I feel so much better and alive again, I care about things again. I have the energy to do things. Hang in there and you will eventually feel much better. If you werent on it too long you may be done with withdrawal in 4 to 6 weeks or something. thanks tennisplayer
Posted by Jenny10 on January 19, 2008, at 1:19:33
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by tennisplayer on November 17, 2007, at 9:53:48
Thank Goodness for this thread!!! I was only on Cymbalta 30mg for two months, after having been on Zoloft 100mg for six years. I switched, trying to get back the sex drive I'd lost the last six years. About a month after taking Cymbalta, my breasts started to enlarge and I felt like I could easily nurse ten newborns. I waited two weeks, until there was no doubt my body was trying to tell me something.
After calling my doctor, but only talking to his nurse, she told me to get off Cymbalta cold turkey and see what my boobs will do. I said, "are you sure, I've been on some kind of SSRI for over six years, is that such a good idea?" "Oh yeah, we need to see if the boobs are effected." Geez... three days later I'm losing my mind.
I have been on these medicines for anti-anxiety reasons. Come three days later, the clinic took some labs trying to figure out the boobs. The results were discouraging. The doctor called me in the evening saying my liver labs came back abnormal, that I need a follow-up lab four days from then (Monday morning) and an abdominal CT scan. Holy Moly! Doctor told me no Xanax, no advil, no tylenol, no nothing! (in order to get accurate test readings) Oh good, tell a panicky person that she has a liver problem and then tell her not to take anything for the anxiety!
Anyways, the withdrawals are terrible, like most of the posters, I too have had the dizziness, the nausea, the brain "glitches" (as I call them), and the sleeplessness. However, I can't take anything for these symptoms. I have atrial tachycardia and over the counter meds make my tachycardia flare up.
I have hope that this will be temporary. I do have some advice for those who are still on it or are going through withdrawals, it's never a bad thing to have your labs done through your doctor. Have them check liver function and thyroid, along with the basics.
Has anyone had a side effect of breast enlargement and tenderness?
Good luck to everyone going through this. I'm right there with you. Thank you for writing on this thread, as I have found great comfort in knowing I'm not going completely crazy.
I'll follow-up with the liver and breast info.
Take care, Jenny10
Posted by eclecnic on February 3, 2008, at 18:54:15
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal, posted by Jenny10 on January 19, 2008, at 1:19:33
REgarding the breast issue, i was on effexor in 1998 and my breast enlarged and I actually started lactating! Be very careful, it made me infertile until I got on a hormone for prolactin inhibition. It is not all SSRI's b/c i have taken prozac, zoloft, paxil...
Good luck to you. Try the benadryl for relief, it helped me with Effexor withdrawal
Nikki
Posted by Eileenkw on February 4, 2008, at 19:39:02
In reply to Re: Cymbalta withdrawal » Jenny10, posted by eclecnic on February 3, 2008, at 18:54:15
I switched from Zoloft 100mg to Cymbalta 60mg.
Stayed on Cymbalta for two months and developed a pretty fast heart rate. So I switched right back to Zoloft 100mg. I had no withdrawal symptoms at all doing it this way. And my heart condition corrected in about 3 days.
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