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Posted by Tom Twilight on December 7, 2006, at 14:23:15
This post properly belongs on the withdrawal board & I'm sure it will be re-directed shortly!
I just wanted to ask for advice on Nardil withdrawals
Nardil withdrawal are horrible for me, I've been tapering, I'm fine till I get to 30mg x2 tablets.
Suddenly it all goes t*ts up!
I get horrible REM rebound-nightmares & not feeling rested!
Also Anxiety comes backWhat can be done to help relieve these symptoms?
I guess a Benzo would help with anxiety
Would a low dose TCA help with REM?How do I stop the nightmares and the anxiety?
Posted by Honore on December 7, 2006, at 16:13:07
In reply to Nardil-also very hard to stop!, posted by Tom Twilight on December 7, 2006, at 14:23:15
When I discontinuted parnate, which I did very abruptly and rapidly, I had a really difficult reaction. My pdoc prescribed seroquel (I;m pretty sure; it could have been zyprexa) for a few days to stabilize or smoothe out the readjustment of levels of some neurotransmitters.
Could be that low dose of one of those would help the transition.
again, not medical advice, just a thought based on my personal experience.
Honore
Posted by naughtypuppy on December 8, 2006, at 0:34:15
In reply to Nardil Withdrawals-How to manage?, posted by Tom Twilight on December 7, 2006, at 15:05:53
> This post properly belongs on the withdrawal board & I'm sure it will be re-directed shortly!
>
> I just wanted to ask for advice on Nardil withdrawals
>
> Nardil withdrawal are horrible for me, I've been tapering, I'm fine till I get to 30mg x2 tablets.
>
> Suddenly it all goes t*ts up!
> I get horrible REM rebound-nightmares & not feeling rested!
> Also Anxiety comes back
>
> What can be done to help relieve these symptoms?
> I guess a Benzo would help with anxiety
> Would a low dose TCA help with REM?
>
> How do I stop the nightmares and the anxiety?
>
> I'm feeling really low at the moment because I managed to stay at 20mg since Sunday, but I felt so terrible tonight I had to go back to 30mg.
>
> Has anyone succesfully withdrawn from Nardil?
>
I can really sympathize with you since I am going through the same thing as you except my pdoc took me off cold turkey from 60mg! The funny thing about it is that I am usually in a constant state of anxiety with cyclic depressive episodes. The last month that I was on Nardil I went into a deep depressive state with anxiety thrown in to boot (didn't know if I was coming or going). Two days after I quit the Nardil the depression lifted and I was left with the anxiety. Benzos will help somewhat with that, but I am also taking 1000mg Depakote for the anxiety that doesn't seem to be helping anymore (sure intensifies your dreams for about 2 weeks though). Dollars to doughnuts my pdoc will tell me that I am just back to my baseline state because I am off the Nardil, but I feel worse than when I started taking any meds. I got ripped off! I didn't feel any better on the Nardil, but I get the lousy side effects and the withdrawals. Sorry I can't offer any more advice that the benzos and the fact that misery usually enjoys company.
Posted by Declan on December 8, 2006, at 0:34:15
In reply to Nardil Withdrawals-How to manage?, posted by Tom Twilight on December 7, 2006, at 15:05:53
If it was me (and I was able to organise it) I'd think about
inositol hexaniacinate....500mg of niacin there
5htp and pyridoxal 5 phosphate to match.Whaddya reckon?
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 8, 2006, at 0:34:15
In reply to Nardil Withdrawals-How to manage?, posted by Tom Twilight on December 7, 2006, at 15:05:53
Just wondering.
Posted by Tom Twilight on December 8, 2006, at 7:58:45
In reply to Re: Tom, did Nardil help at all?, posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 7, 2006, at 23:26:31
Thanks for the suggestions all!
I think Seroquel might be a good idea for easing those withdrawal symptoms.
Nardil does help with GAD, but not with the dreaded Social Anxiety!
I hate the weight gain & appathy, like I need more of those!
I really don't like the sedation either-sigh
Posted by blueberry on December 8, 2006, at 14:41:00
In reply to Nardil-also very hard to stop!, posted by Tom Twilight on December 7, 2006, at 14:23:15
What was wrong with nardil that you need to get off it?
In my own experiences it seems like the hardest part of tapering withdrawals is at the lower doses.
I wish I had a good suggestion for you. Actually maybe short term benzo like xanax or short term antipsychotic like seroquel or zyprexa (emphasize short term) might help. But then, that just kind of sets you up for yet another withdrawal. Probably not as severe, but still.
This is hard stuff. It's especially hard because all of us are rather impaired, weakened, and crippled to begin with. I bet normal healthy people would be in shock and awe if they had to go through what you and me do.
Posted by Honore on December 9, 2006, at 21:21:01
In reply to Thanks Everyone!, posted by Tom Twilight on December 8, 2006, at 7:58:45
If the seroquel is only for helping the withdrawal, you may not gain weight. You'll probably only need it for a relatively short time.
Plus, I think weight gain is less of a problem with Seroquel than some other atypical APs-- It could happen, but also might not happen at all, esp. on a low dose.
Do you plan to try another MAOI?
Honore
Posted by Tom Twilight on December 10, 2006, at 11:20:20
In reply to Re: Seroquel, posted by Honore on December 9, 2006, at 21:21:01
Nardil is hard to tollerate for me
It helps with anxiety, but causes sedation & weight gain.
Also it doesn't help with SA, which is a big deal for me, critically it doesn't seem to help with depression either :(
I tried Parnate, unfortunatly caused sedation and fatigue even at 30mg+had to get it over the net!
Posted by platinumbride on January 20, 2007, at 0:31:51
In reply to Nardil-Problems, posted by Tom Twilight on December 10, 2006, at 11:20:20
I think it is only t higher doses that parnate is stimulating. I don't know when or how it also calms one's anxiety, though
Diane
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