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Posted by LIFE on August 26, 2006, at 1:04:16
In reply to Re: VALERIAN / CLAROCET, posted by tiredofpanic on August 25, 2006, at 5:56:39
Hey there T-o-P, did you ever get to bed? Or, were you up early? Anyhoo, sorry to hear that on such a large continent you seem to be in a bleak place, however, if it is as bleak as you say, then it is probably very colloquial and filled with natural healers, readers, and such. Thanks for the acupuncture info. I am about to go back to the Clarocet site and compile a list the ingredients, I am off to A Moveable Feast and Whole foods tomorrow...I might be able to concoct my own formula, wouldn't that be a hoot? When you take your first dosage let me know how it makes you feel, even if it is a minute or no change at all. I talked to my therapist today and he claims not to have heard of Clarocet either, but I am a certified ward of the state and "fersure" their lab rat. I also asked about panic and anxiety symptoms. He suspects that I have anxiety attacks when I am in the throes of depression in the form of agoraphobia, since I am very reluctant to go out of the house when I am down. But, I just hate being around people when I am having an episode and I sweat a little because I am aware of my short-term memory problems when I am out there and vulnerable. I don't recall any hyperventilating or heart palpitations or headaches, just an acute awareness that I am out there amongst the populace when I would rather be hiding at home, so that still does not sound a lot like a real panic attack to me, once I can force myself to get dressed and am out I'm usually o.k. What does a real panic or anxiety attack look or feel like? Is it a public meltdown? How can I be supportive when someone is having an attack? You know, what can I do to perhaps ease the tension for them? Jim? Still haven't heard how you are doing out there. Haven't heard from any of the ladies trying to kick Remeron lately either! Tired-o-P, wish me luck on my quest to outdo Clarocet. I will let you know what I find after I have cooked up a home brew if that is indeed possible. Nighty-night all, happy withdrawal! Life
Posted by tiredofpanic on August 26, 2006, at 3:15:38
In reply to Clarocet - panic attacks vs. depression, posted by LIFE on August 26, 2006, at 1:04:16
Hi Life,
I actually got to bed around midnight last night for a change after staying up nearly 36 hours to try to reset my clock, I was tired and I slept, for about five hours that is. I think the docs really messed me up with all their trial and errros, now I need to nap in the afternoon sometimes twice. It's getting to be a royal pain in the you know what.
A panic attack:
rapid heart beat, feelings of impending doom, its like you are being taken out of your body and are really disconnected, some times shaking, some times severe shaking can occur, very cold, heart attack symptoms, stroke symptoms, rapid breathing, difficult breathing, numbness, blured eyes, feelings that you will die, disoriented, palpatations, arithmia, blood pressure issues, there are a few more. the first time I had a panic attack I thought I was having a heart attack, went to the hospital, they gave me a seditive IV, did some blood tests and came back to tell me I was hyperventalating and should see someone in their pyschiatric department, when the doc said that I damn near disconnected myself from teh IV and walked out of the hospital thinking, hyperventalation? ok whatever, this is easy to control and get over. Boy was I wrong. and I think talking to my ADD doc was the stupidest thing I could have done because they put me on Xanax, I think they should have said, ok, you had a panic attack, so what, we'll monitor it for a few months and SEE what happens, just dont worry about anything, you're not going to die, yadda yadda yadda and and 28340% of people of this, yadda yadda yadda, have a nice day. But Nooooooooooooooooooooo they had to put me on the worse one at the very begnning which made me sooooooooooooooo scared it was unbelivable. Doctors really need to use caution, one attack does not mean you are doomed for life or need medication.
Good luck on cococting your own medication, if you can come up with something strong, better, that works faster and more effiecent let me know. I found out it will cost me about $100 to get three bottles to me, so I am considering now if I really want to order or not. If I can find Valerian root here I may try that first. Though Clarocet has some additional benefits especially for sleeping, which are needed! I just hope I can keep up what happend last night!
Life, or anyone else, do you ever wake up in the morning with a fast heart beat or chest pain of any kind? This happens to me quite a bit. I don't have any other health problems...
And yes a panic attack in public could be a meltdown or maybe not, I try to control them too much, which is bad, so I have never passed out or fell over from one, but I think it may be better to just let them happen rather than to stop them as you are suppressing a lot of stuff that wants to come out.
Anyway thats enough for today. Jim where are you? Did you climb into a hole or go on vacation? Next time take me with you! :-)
ToP
Posted by LIFE on August 27, 2006, at 22:22:12
In reply to Re: Clarocet - panic attacks vs. depression, posted by tiredofpanic on August 26, 2006, at 3:15:38
Hey there Tired-o'Panic, That is some description. I think I would surely perish under the pressure of such severe physical symptoms. Did Remeron help at all under such severe circumstances? It is very effective for depression, but, panic attacks, at least from your description, seem to require something more than induced sleep and clarity of thought. Is that why you have chosen not to take it any longer? When was your first attack? I know as a preteen and during high school I suffered from dysthemia-precursor to full blown depression-I experienced bouts of unexplained sadness and crying jags. Do you have triggers or does an attack just come upon you? I didn't know before, but, my previous career was a trigger, attempts to perform or look perfect are triggers. I cannot imagine what you all feel when these attacks happen, I thought feeling suicidal was bad, to actually physically be at death's door has got to be horrifying. I went on my sojourn to find the ingredients in Clarocet, but they've got me at the mushrooms and some of the enzymes. I have not been to many of the Asian herbologists in my area yet, so, I hope it is simply a matter of checking some of the more cultural herb suppliers. I'll keep you all updated. Still haven't heard from you Jimbo, spin a thread and let us know if everything is alright with you. Have you resumed medication? Or, are you still hanging with your yoga poses and strong will? I hope so. We are thinking about you and miss your tips for managing our ills. Life
Posted by Jimbobwe64 on August 27, 2006, at 23:52:26
In reply to Description of Panic Attack, posted by LIFE on August 27, 2006, at 22:22:12
Hey, ladies. I'm still here. Although, that's a figure of speech, as I'm actually in the process of a long move halfway across the country. Yes, nice and stressful time to be weaning off an anti-depressant, don't you think? lol. So, I'm actually E-Mailing from a hotel room on my way. I just retired from the military and am on my way to my last move.
So, right now, I'm a little stressed, and in addition the effects of the withdrawal are still a happenin'. Although the last three days were really good, today was pretty much of a downer. But, I think that I'm still on the right road and am still free of Remeron.
That "Clarocet" sounds like an interesting one. I actually saw that one while browsing online a long, long time ago, but that was before I started getting serious about getting healthy.
I'd love to hear how it goes for you.
And in answer to what a panic attack is like. I can most certainly tell you. The symptoms are as follows:
Severe Headaches, feelings of paranoia, face flushed (embarrassed), sense of reality not there (kind of like seeing the world in only 2 dimensions, very bizarre), walls closing in on you, heart palpitating, dizzy spells and the most common term I've heard - "Brain Fog". I think there are other symptoms, but those are the ones that come to mind. I've had severe panic attacks at times, so I can talk from experience, unfortunately. The good thing is that I haven't had any of these with my withdrawals from Remeron, so, I got a feeling I'm on the right track. But, I've been dealing with this crap for so long, I'm kinda cynical, lol.
Anyhow, sorry for not chatting in a while, but, I think you'll understand.
Ciao for now. Hope the info helps and I look forward to chatting with you in several days.
Jimbob
> Hey there Tired-o'Panic, That is some description. I think I would surely perish under the pressure of such severe physical symptoms. Did Remeron help at all under such severe circumstances? It is very effective for depression, but, panic attacks, at least from your description, seem to require something more than induced sleep and clarity of thought. Is that why you have chosen not to take it any longer? When was your first attack? I know as a preteen and during high school I suffered from dysthemia-precursor to full blown depression-I experienced bouts of unexplained sadness and crying jags. Do you have triggers or does an attack just come upon you? I didn't know before, but, my previous career was a trigger, attempts to perform or look perfect are triggers. I cannot imagine what you all feel when these attacks happen, I thought feeling suicidal was bad, to actually physically be at death's door has got to be horrifying. I went on my sojourn to find the ingredients in Clarocet, but they've got me at the mushrooms and some of the enzymes. I have not been to many of the Asian herbologists in my area yet, so, I hope it is simply a matter of checking some of the more cultural herb suppliers. I'll keep you all updated. Still haven't heard from you Jimbo, spin a thread and let us know if everything is alright with you. Have you resumed medication? Or, are you still hanging with your yoga poses and strong will? I hope so. We are thinking about you and miss your tips for managing our ills. Life
Posted by tiredofpanic on August 29, 2006, at 11:02:00
In reply to Description of Panic Attack, posted by LIFE on August 27, 2006, at 22:22:12
Hello Life and Jimbo,
Sorry it's been a few days since writing, just have not been in the mood.
Remeron only helped the first day I took it, I never got used to it so I was miserable everyday of that two weeks I did take it. As I said now I am in CBT and actually I can already see that it is going to be very useless but probably long term. Actually on Remeron I was sleeping ok in the very beginning and then I wasn't, but I would be tired but couldn't sleep.
Good luck with concocting something LIFE, I will be very interested to see what you come up with. I am going to check around and see what I can find at the local herbal pharmacies. Just not sure how pure it will be.
I have now been off Remeron since I think the 14th of August. I think that was the day I took the last one. So it has now been 15 days, I do not think any withdrawl symtoms will come, or they already did and past! Thanks fully!
Jimbo? Ladies?! How dare you! I oughta... oughta... :P ha! I'm not a lady?! At least the last time I checked!!! :P ha ha ha
VERY VERY good discription of what a panic attack is, much better than mine!
Be careful and don't stress out too much from your moving, just take it easy.
Laters
ToP
Posted by Holly VanBen on August 31, 2006, at 15:07:18
In reply to Re: Description of Panic Attack, posted by tiredofpanic on August 29, 2006, at 11:02:00
HI all,
Thank you for posting the info on panic attacks. I am on day 23 of detox from opiates and other nasty stuff, Xanax, Ativan and the like. I have been able to stop taking everything including withdrawal meds but have been unable to stop one stinking Ambien at night. My sysmptoms are exactly that of a panic attack and I know it. I have tried to live through it but have not been able to make it without crashing hard. I cannot afford to crash as it means I will end up in the hospital which is very bad. I am hoping these are just still withdrawal symptoms hanging in there and hope I will be able to stop the Ambien soon. I don't like this at all though, but who like withdrawals anyway.
Thanks again,
Holly
Posted by jimbobwe64 on August 31, 2006, at 21:52:38
In reply to Re: Description of Panic Attack, posted by Holly VanBen on August 31, 2006, at 15:07:18
Hey, Holly. No problem about the description, that's what we're all here for, Right ToP, LIFE? Opiates, wow, it sounds like you've got a hard road, too. I honestly don't know anything about withdrawals from any of those, not even Ambien, but, if you want support, that's what we're all here for.
So, what kind of symptoms have you been going through? And I do hope things get better for you.Keep in touch,
Jim
> HI all,
> Thank you for posting the info on panic attacks. I am on day 23 of detox from opiates and other nasty stuff, Xanax, Ativan and the like. I have been able to stop taking everything including withdrawal meds but have been unable to stop one stinking Ambien at night. My sysmptoms are exactly that of a panic attack and I know it. I have tried to live through it but have not been able to make it without crashing hard. I cannot afford to crash as it means I will end up in the hospital which is very bad. I am hoping these are just still withdrawal symptoms hanging in there and hope I will be able to stop the Ambien soon. I don't like this at all though, but who like withdrawals anyway.
> Thanks again,
> Holly
Posted by jimbobwe64 on August 31, 2006, at 22:04:32
In reply to Re: Description of Panic Attack, posted by tiredofpanic on August 29, 2006, at 11:02:00
Hey, ToP. Heh, heh, I just knew that you were unlady like, lol. Just kidding.
Anyhow, I'm really glad to hear that your symptoms are minimal. You obviously weren't on the meds long enough for them to be of any consequence, thank god. Good for you.
And again, thanks much for your concern, I'm ready for the physical part of the move starting on Monday. It will be good to get it over with. And the good thing about my move is I've lived here before for about 10 years, so, I'm getting reunited with a lot of old and good friends, and some who understand what I'm going through with this blasted illness. It's still stressful, just the same, though. So far, in the short time that I've been talking to people on here, I've gotten more out of it than most of the time that I've spent with a lot of my friends.
Keep up the good work, k. And I hope that everything continues to work well with you. U2, LIFE.
Talk to you soon.
Jim
> Hello Life and Jimbo,
>
> Sorry it's been a few days since writing, just have not been in the mood.
>
> Remeron only helped the first day I took it, I never got used to it so I was miserable everyday of that two weeks I did take it. As I said now I am in CBT and actually I can already see that it is going to be very useless but probably long term. Actually on Remeron I was sleeping ok in the very beginning and then I wasn't, but I would be tired but couldn't sleep.
>
> Good luck with concocting something LIFE, I will be very interested to see what you come up with. I am going to check around and see what I can find at the local herbal pharmacies. Just not sure how pure it will be.
>
> I have now been off Remeron since I think the 14th of August. I think that was the day I took the last one. So it has now been 15 days, I do not think any withdrawl symtoms will come, or they already did and past! Thanks fully!
>
> Jimbo? Ladies?! How dare you! I oughta... oughta... :P ha! I'm not a lady?! At least the last time I checked!!! :P ha ha ha
>
> VERY VERY good discription of what a panic attack is, much better than mine!
>
> Be careful and don't stress out too much from your moving, just take it easy.
>
> Laters
>
> ToP
>
>
Posted by tiredofpanic on September 1, 2006, at 0:03:29
In reply to Re: Description of Panic Attack, posted by jimbobwe64 on August 31, 2006, at 22:04:32
Hi Holly and Jim,
Holly, indeed that is what all of us are here for, and thank God for this forum!
What were you on Opiates for? I am not sure about the withdrawl from these, but I suspect that panic could be a withdrawl symptom, that or you are too nervous getting off the medication, maybe there is another side effect you are dreading perhaps? If you can check with your doctor and if not check with the pharmacy you got the drugs from. I've found if you talk to them nicely they may answer your questions, as they know more about the drugs than the doctors do, but are not doctors so are not able to answer some questions, but you can try, just be nice.
Jimbo, good to hear from you! lol! Glad you weren't trying to pick me up or something, you would have gotten a surprise boy! ha ha.
I now have a Holitor monitor I am going to wear at night for about 3-4 nights, this is going back to that study I mentioned a few weeks ago. We;ll see waht they can get out of it. I was wrong it is not a sleep monitor like I was hoping for, it is only a heart monitor, but they know based on the heart rythms when you are in rem sleep or awake, etc. We'll see what happens. I've been very shakey lately and unable to sleep. and of course now that I have the monitor I slept early and actually slept through the night without getting up for hours on end. I woke up sevearl times, but thats ok.
Glad you are doing well. Glad you can reunite with your friends that will really help you, and especially those who have had problems before. Glad you are feeling happier! That is a good sign.
Cheers
Posted by Holly VanBen on September 1, 2006, at 13:00:46
In reply to Re: Description of Panic Attack, posted by jimbobwe64 on August 31, 2006, at 21:52:38
> Hey, Holly. No problem about the description, that's what we're all here for, Right ToP, LIFE? Opiates, wow, it sounds like you've got a hard road, too. I honestly don't know anything about withdrawals from any of those, not even Ambien, but, if you want support, that's what we're all here for.
> So, what kind of symptoms have you been going through? And I do hope things get better for you.
>
> Keep in touch,
>
> Jim
>
>
> > HI all,
> > Thank you for posting the info on panic attacks. I am on day 23 of detox from opiates and other nasty stuff, Xanax, Ativan and the like. I have been able to stop taking everything including withdrawal meds but have been unable to stop one stinking Ambien at night. My sysmptoms are exactly that of a panic attack and I know it. I have tried to live through it but have not been able to make it without crashing hard. I cannot afford to crash as it means I will end up in the hospital which is very bad. I am hoping these are just still withdrawal symptoms hanging in there and hope I will be able to stop the Ambien soon. I don't like this at all though, but who like withdrawals anyway.
> > Thanks again,
> > Holly
>
>Hi Jim,
Thank you for the response. Yes opiate and Narcotic withdrawal, nasty nasty stuff. I don't have the energy to do this again. Anyway speaking of current symptoms. I am still unsure if I am having panic attacks at night or leftover severe withdrawal symptoms. After last night I am leaning more towards, still having withdrawals. I wasn't sure since it was mainly happening at night, but after a few nights I think it is more clearly withdrawls. The symptoms are sever tightness in the chest like I can't breathe but I can. Chest pain, nausea, dizziness and that horrible feeling of wanting to come out of my skin. These are all mild compared to a week ago on a constant basis with withdrawals, but I just stopped taking Vistaril about 6 days ago, which was prescribed to help with the withdrawals and anxiety from them. I know when you go through opiate withdrawals the body produces an excess of adrenaline to cope which causes severe anxiety, but I thought since it was better during the day that I was over that. I think that was wishful thinking, so my bodies still trying to get rid of the nasty stuff and hopefully soon it will calm down and I will be able to stop taking Ambien at night and be done with all drugs for good. :-)
Thank You again and I look forward to speaking with you soon.
Holly
Posted by Holly VanBen on September 1, 2006, at 13:10:36
In reply to Re: Description of Panic Attack, posted by tiredofpanic on September 1, 2006, at 0:03:29
> Hi Holly and Jim,
>
> Holly, indeed that is what all of us are here for, and thank God for this forum!
>
> What were you on Opiates for? I am not sure about the withdrawl from these, but I suspect that panic could be a withdrawl symptom, that or you are too nervous getting off the medication, maybe there is another side effect you are dreading perhaps? If you can check with your doctor and if not check with the pharmacy you got the drugs from. I've found if you talk to them nicely they may answer your questions, as they know more about the drugs than the doctors do, but are not doctors so are not able to answer some questions, but you can try, just be nice.
>
> Jimbo, good to hear from you! lol! Glad you weren't trying to pick me up or something, you would have gotten a surprise boy! ha ha.
>
> I now have a Holitor monitor I am going to wear at night for about 3-4 nights, this is going back to that study I mentioned a few weeks ago. We;ll see waht they can get out of it. I was wrong it is not a sleep monitor like I was hoping for, it is only a heart monitor, but they know based on the heart rythms when you are in rem sleep or awake, etc. We'll see what happens. I've been very shakey lately and unable to sleep. and of course now that I have the monitor I slept early and actually slept through the night without getting up for hours on end. I woke up sevearl times, but thats ok.
>
> Glad you are doing well. Glad you can reunite with your friends that will really help you, and especially those who have had problems before. Glad you are feeling happier! That is a good sign.
>
> CheersThank you for your response. I responded to Jim before reading yours and yes I do think it is withdrawal symptoms still acting up, it just took me a few days to figure it out. I keep hoping they will miraculously stop, but hey 24 days and its much better so no complaining from me. Well maybe a little LOL.
I have worn that halter thing before and really hope it shows something for you. Are they making you push that bloody button every time you feel just about anything? I swear that button made me paranoid so I pushed it all the time. LOL Its not the most comfortable thing either, but I really hope it shows something minor and fixable. I always approach any of these tests with hope they will find something that they can say "Oh hey that's what was causing ALL these problems, we can fix that easy with no consequences and make you good as new". Probably not very realsitic and hasn't happened yet, but I figure it has to happen to people all the time so this time I hope it is you.
Keep me posted.
Holly
Posted by LIFE on September 5, 2006, at 23:18:25
In reply to Re: Description of Panic Attack, posted by Holly VanBen on September 1, 2006, at 13:10:36
Hey Jimbo, finally! Glad to hear from you and that you are alright. ToP and I have been discussing the Clarocet that I think you mentioned to us a couple of months ago. Hey there Holly, what a coinky-dink! I was with a friend on Sunday and she mentioned not having to take Ambien since beginning to take a tea she makes from the herb Scullcap, she said she takes a cup about an hour before bedtime and says she has the most wonderful dreams! I believe her as she is dealing with a 27yr old schizophrenic son who has been in and out of group homes several times this year and has threatened on several occasions to termminate her and her younger son, they sleep with locks on their doors and she is a baggage check officer at our very large airport. So if it works for her then maybe it will work for you too. She said the Ambien left her feeling out of sorts the next day. I purchased some Skullcap myself, but since I still take Remeron every night I am not a good measure for its effects on sleep and dreams, I can tell you that it successfully lowered my blood pressure which was a couple of points higher than normal due to stress from worrying about my parents and great aunt(who seems destined to be stricken with Alzheimers' which took my paternal grandmother). I am happy for you ,Jimbo, you sound pleased with your move and am glad you are still Remeron-free. Thank you and ToP for your descriptions of panic attacks, it helps me to understand your withdrawal symptoms better and your fears of living without meds. Sure seems to have helped Holly to have someone who knows what those attacks are about. Again, I just know about black holes. I have never had opiates either. Keep me posted folks, and I have not given up my quest to either purchase some Clarocet or make some. I am working feverishly to make some cash. I told the aforementioned mother about the Clarocet, she was excited and wanted to go to the website for both herself and her son, he is tired of medication and she thinks he might be more inclined to take the Clarocet and a reduced amount of his present medications, sorry I don't know what those are. I should see her in about a month, she is going on a much deserved vacation. And, just for the record, Jimbo and ToP, I am a girl, for real. Life
Posted by tiredofpanic on September 5, 2006, at 23:43:59
In reply to Re: Description of Panic Attack, posted by Holly VanBen on September 1, 2006, at 13:10:36
Hi Holly, sorry I didnt reply sooner.
The Holitor monitor was interesting. But you know what If I had had it two days more they would have really gotten some good data as I felt like crap the last two days, cannot sleep, VERY panicy to the point where I didnt know what to do. It lasted about 36 hours or more, oh well. Anyway they hopefully will get some good data from the 48 hours that I used it and hopefully there is either no problem or they can find something that is causing the insomnia and panic. We'll see.
Anyway, good luck to you and hopefully your panic symptoms will fade away soon as you wean yourself off the meds.
Posted by tiredofpanic on September 5, 2006, at 23:47:35
In reply to Ambien withdrawal, posted by LIFE on September 5, 2006, at 23:18:25
Hi Life, thanks for clarifying your sex! ha ha. :-)
I thought you were off the Remeron, or wait that was Jim I think.
So how is your Clarcet concuction going? I am still debating on ordering it or not. I have yet to visit a herbalist here to see if they can do it. I spoke to one, but they need to see me in order to make something work, need to check the vains, etc to see what exactely is the problem, they won't just give me the valvarian root.
Anyway....
ToP
Posted by LIFE on September 9, 2006, at 14:54:09
In reply to Re: Ambien withdrawal, posted by tiredofpanic on September 5, 2006, at 23:47:35
Hey there ToP, nope, I am not off the meds, my depression is too severe to risk it without a definite replacement. I cannot find two of the key ingredients in the Clarocet, am still looking, but it looks like I am going to have to throw in the towel and purchase the appropriate formula. Yes, it is Jim who is toughing it out without his meds, he seems to be so strong in spite of some pretty scary withdrawal symptoms, I am rooting for him. I could try to send you some Valerian root if you would like. I don't know the protocol where you are as far as mail tampering is concerned (customs regulations, etc.) but I am willing to give it a try if you think it would help you. I am having a miniscule episode even with my meds and herbs, but that is why I still take them, they reduce the severity of my attacks. In fact, I was thinking of going to another thread because you all don't need any further information from me except perhaps the results of my Clarocet experience or a few herbs that help with sleep and sugar and caffeine addictions. I would miss you and Jim, but I feel I am being unfair using space for people who are going without their meds until I go through a cleansing period myself. Life
Posted by tiredofpanic on September 9, 2006, at 23:56:09
In reply to Re: Ambien withdrawal, posted by LIFE on September 9, 2006, at 14:54:09
Hi Life,
Good to hear from you. I would like to know what exactely the Valerain Root is supposed to do? What does it effect?
I think I found some here, but not sure it is the root or just the plant. I tired to explain I wanted the root, but I am not sure if it is or not. They put it in a capsule and the herb is like a dark brown powder. The doc said that it is for relaxation, but may induce sleep. I have taken one every night for the last 3-4 nights. The first night slept ok, the second and third night, blah! Didnt get to bed until 5-6am. And last night slept for 10 hours. I would imagine that this stuff is NOT going to work overnight though and that your body should begin to build up a little bit of a tolerace. Just like with the Clarocet they told me I need about 6 weeks or so to gauge whether it is helping or not. What do you think about this?
For right now, I will pass on you sending me some, but will keep the idea open and thank you so much for offering that.
We need to help you find a job, how old are you, and what are you good at?
I think you can post anywhere, but actually I think this is for withdrawl symptoms and we have gotten way off the topic of this thread. Well wherever you go let me know, maybe I can join those and offer advice in those threads to you. ha ha.
anyway...
> Hey there ToP, nope, I am not off the meds, my depression is too severe to risk it without a definite replacement. I cannot find two of the key ingredients in the Clarocet, am still looking, but it looks like I am going to have to throw in the towel and purchase the appropriate formula. Yes, it is Jim who is toughing it out without his meds, he seems to be so strong in spite of some pretty scary withdrawal symptoms, I am rooting for him. I could try to send you some Valerian root if you would like. I don't know the protocol where you are as far as mail tampering is concerned (customs regulations, etc.) but I am willing to give it a try if you think it would help you. I am having a miniscule episode even with my meds and herbs, but that is why I still take them, they reduce the severity of my attacks. In fact, I was thinking of going to another thread because you all don't need any further information from me except perhaps the results of my Clarocet experience or a few herbs that help with sleep and sugar and caffeine addictions. I would miss you and Jim, but I feel I am being unfair using space for people who are going without their meds until I go through a cleansing period myself. Life
Posted by LIFE on September 11, 2006, at 8:53:43
In reply to Re: Ambien withdrawal, posted by tiredofpanic on September 9, 2006, at 23:56:09
Hey ToP, When powdered, Valerian looks just as you described. Normally, the root is coarsely ground and resembles gravel( that's the form I always use) It is indeed used for relaxation but I use it in coffee and after eating chocolate to balance and counteract the effects of the caffeine in both. I also found it helpful when quitting marijuana. It also helps when I have aches and pains as well as killing parasites ( I walk barefoot outside a lot). It does take some getting used to and herbs sometimes take as long or even a little longer to see results since you are dealing with nature and not good old fashioned lab poisions like your usual meds and chemical sedatives. But if you decide not to continue taking it I can guarantee you won't suffer any adverse side affects. Thanks for the offer to help me find some additional employment. I've put in some applications for overnight stocking/part-time since I have a business providing hand-made hair accessories to local salons and am pursuing my degree in Fashion Design ( In fact, when I finish here I have a phone conference with my professor of Fashion History) I want a low key benign form of employment right now. I am a former teacher with a graduate degree and I am retired at 48yrs of age. I am in no way interested in teaching anyone anything, I'll share knowledge, but I won't teach. I am finally becoming the artist I have always wanted to be and art requires creative time. My career was a huge factor in the development of my depressive symptoms. I am a pleaser and a perfectionist, my career choice was not my own and when I poured my heart and soul into it, it f'd me up big time. I'm broke but happy and I know more about myself than I ever have and this is the best I have ever managed my illness since my first few years of college. I just need some change for supplies with which to build inventory and to purchase some Clarocet and take care of my kitty cats. Don't be surprised if I tell you I'm stocking shelves at Wal Mart or a grocers. I'll let you know when I switch threads "fersure". Gotta go talk to my professor, I'll be in touch! Life
Posted by tiredofpanic on September 11, 2006, at 9:24:23
In reply to Valerian Root, posted by LIFE on September 11, 2006, at 8:53:43
Hi Life, thanks for the reply. The Feds might be watching you, becareful about that weed crack! ha ha LOL! But that is very interesting.
Well it appears then that I must be taking the right stuff, just wish I could get it more correctly translated. Anyway... Well this will certainly help, but there are still other anxiety issues I want to deal with, but we will see after a few weeks how I feel taking it. They advised taking it only once at night and maybe once in the morning. It appears each capsule is 1g, is that alot? ha ha.
Well good luck finding employment. I have also taught some and even though I enjoy it, I know that really there is no future for me in that, but my current job creates a lot of stress, so it's six in one.. blah blah...
ToP
Posted by LIFE on September 16, 2006, at 12:46:50
In reply to Re: Valerian Root, posted by tiredofpanic on September 11, 2006, at 9:24:23
Hey there, ToP, glad to hear the Valerian might be working for you. Hope the Feds are keeping an eye out, they might learn something about the relationship betwixt street drugs and mental illness. I'm pretty certain they know about self medication, they've been daytripping for a long time now. LoL, fereal! They're welcome to a cup of my wee any ol' time, who needs reefer ( as my grandma called it) when I've got some federally funded dope! Yeah, buddy! Ha-ha. So, you taught for a while! It's true isn't it? Unless you love it the way my mom did for over forty years, and I mean it's got to be your one true love (no cheating with other dreams) then it isn't fulfilling except for participating with the children to fulfill their aspirations. I often found myself envious of their chances to be whatever they wanted to be. I worked devotedly alongside my students and I miss them, but I spent too many sleepless nights trying to fill the wanton artist in me after grading papers and realized I want nothing more than to create things as opposed to teaching them about being creative and imaginative. Sometimes I feel selfish having left them with the anal-retentives now in the profession, I'm a natural at it like my mom, but, my heart was with the kids not with the profession itself, hers was and I think I confused my natural ability to teach and communicate with my natural disposition being elsewhere. So, there wasn't a future for me in it either. Yep, an artist's life for me, I know the true meaning of " starving artist" now, LoL. Even though your job is stressful you do like it, right? Having no steady income is stressful too, but I could never go back to being that 'person'. Ever. I work very hard for less money, but, beaucous, peace of mind. You keep up the good regimen, and I'm sure Jim is making favorable progress. Well,, I'v been up since this time yesterday, needless to say I should take my meds and rest for a minute. So, goodnight, er ah, good afternoon. Over and out like a light! Life
Posted by Philip N. on October 1, 2006, at 15:31:25
In reply to CLEARER STATEMENT OF MY WITHDRAWAL OPINIONS, posted by LIFE on August 10, 2006, at 18:18:33
Hello Life!
How long are you able to stay off meds when you come off and does that make it harder for you to getting back started on meds? Is it OK to start and stop or does that make it harder to get up and going again when the Depression returns?
Thanks........Philip
Posted by sabbatini on October 27, 2006, at 9:34:08
In reply to Re: CLEARER STATEMENT OF MY WITHDRAWAL OPINIONS » LIFE, posted by Philip N. on October 1, 2006, at 15:31:25
I have been on 30 mg. of this drug for 1 year. It has been the worst experience of my life....the foggy brain, sleepless nights (although the first few weeks on this drug I slept like a baby)......I am taking 15 mg. for the last 2 months and I feel horrible. My depression is unbearable and my head hurts constantly. I've never had any of these affects before taking these meds. My Dr. thought it would be a good idea when my mom passed away last year. It numbed my pain all right but, now that I'm going off of these meds I am starting to feel again and now I'm going through the loss of my mom. I will keep trying to get off of these meds but, anyone trying to decide if they want to start......Please Give It a Second Thought. I would give anything to have this out of my system.
Posted by joslynn on December 5, 2006, at 12:45:06
In reply to Re: CLEARER STATEMENT OF MY WITHDRAWAL OPINIONS, posted by sabbatini on October 27, 2006, at 9:34:08
See this is an example where I think docs over-prescribe...of course you would be depressed, you mother died. Now if it went on an on past a normal mourning period, there could be some underlying depression that was triggered by the loss. But if not, then I don't understand why they would prescribe meds.
P.S. I am on 15 mg Remeron, and was given it when I was admitted to a mental hospital for a very severe depression that had left me not eating, not sleeping and close to suicide. I went to the ER as my last chance before hurting myself. So I understand why they gave me meds and I am not agains them in general. But to give meds to someone who is in natural mourning does not make sense to me....?
I am sorry about your mom.
Posted by adubu on December 31, 2006, at 21:53:39
In reply to Re: mirtazapine/remeron updates?, posted by Jon90211 on March 7, 2006, at 18:02:24
I was on 45mg of mirtazapine for three years.
I thought i'd try life without it although I'd experienced no side effects, not even weight gain. I abruptly stoped the medication and now I'm paying for it severly. It has been about two weeks since my last dose. I was fine for a few days, however its been all downhill since. The insomnia is horrible. I lay awake all night long and sweat even though its cold. In addition to my sleeplessness, I have developed a tick like behavior which feels like a sudden electric shock. I wish this would stop. I dont know if ill make it,and dont know what to do.
Posted by Maritza on April 16, 2007, at 21:50:41
In reply to Jim and Tired of Panic sugar cravings, posted by LIFE on August 18, 2006, at 22:55:36
I am on 15mg of Remeron which was reduced from 30mg 2weeks ago. It helped with severe anxiety and insomnia that I developed following surgery on my cervical spine (neck). Last night I thought I would just stop taking it because it is nearly impossible to wake up. I also have gained weight and my cholesterol in increased 60 points to 241 after being on it for 11 weeks. It was a big mistake to not take my dose. I developed severe anxiety and the runs by 12:30am, then took my 15mgs. I slept but woke up with anxiety, cramps, and head that spongebrain feeling with pressure in my head all day. I have been reading all of these blogs and it does help to know I am not alone. I'm looking for advice and support because I will be starting back to work soon and I'm wondering how any of you are able to wake up and be functional with all of these side effects/withdrwal symptoms. I'd also like to know if anyone has found relief for anxiety and/or insomnia with any specific naturopathic remedies? I wish all of you the best of luck with coming off of this stuff. I have found that prayer has helped.
Best Wishes!
Maritza
Posted by jimbobwe64 on April 17, 2007, at 22:32:30
In reply to Re: Jim and Tired of Panic sugar cravings, posted by Maritza on April 16, 2007, at 21:50:41
Hello Tired of Panic and Life. I just thought I'd say hi. I haven't been on here in an obviously incredibly long time. I'm still very much off the Remeron and it's been just over 10 months now. I've gone through some pretty rough times to get here and that's pretty much why I haven't been on here. At first it was mostly Depression and severe anxiety from the withdrawal. To tell you all, I've found from several really good and reputable sources that it really does take between 18 months to 2 years to get totally rid of the withdrawal symptoms. And I've learned that it really takes some great sacrifice and patience in order to alleviate these symptoms. I'm very glad to see that you two are still on this site and I'm very, very curious to hear how you've been doing. In addition if you or anyone else have any questions about what I've been through or what I've done to alleviate the bad thoughts, etc while I'm still "drying" out (lol), I'd be more than happy to embellish. I'm still having problems, but, finally my mind is 100 percent as sharp as it was before I went on AD's over 11 years ago. I'm hoping to hear from you soon.
Jim
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