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Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 16, 2012, at 23:16:09
I had it this evening. The experience was that everything was felt and seen exactly as it had been before, with intense anxiety, and uneasiness in the tummy.
It was short, 15 seconds???
What's yours like?
Posted by Phillipa on July 17, 2012, at 0:09:47
In reply to Do you get déjà vu? What's it like?, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 16, 2012, at 23:16:09
That I have experienced the exact same thing and it felt the same. Like being taken back in time. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2012, at 5:05:02
In reply to Do you get déjà vu? What's it like?, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 16, 2012, at 23:16:09
> I had it this evening. The experience was that everything was felt and seen exactly as it had been before, with intense anxiety, and uneasiness in the tummy.
"Deja vu" and "reexperiences" are different phenomena. Did your recent experience involve specific traumatic or upsetting events or flashbacks? If so, reexperience might be the better explanation for what happened to you.
Deja vu is a sense that you are in the midst of something that is familiar and might have happened before, but is vague in its connection to prior experiences.
- Scott
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 18, 2012, at 11:56:33
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » sleepygirl2, posted by SLS on July 18, 2012, at 5:05:02
No, it wasn't a reexperiencing of anything significant. I was me, sitting on the couch, watching Seinfeld... wait that is very familiar! ;-)
Really though, I think I experience something maybe? On the fringe of normal experience. The description of simple partial seizures comes closest to it. Why me? I don't know, because of seizures after I was born? Maybe, maybe not.
Stress related? Probably.
Something everybody gets? Maybe. It's not just déjà vu though, it's fear, queasiness, problems with speaking only a few times
Not enough to bother a neurologist about, more a curiosity.
I told my Pdoc about me thinking they were partial seizures. He said they were something I learned to do to get attention. That bothered me, because i avoided talking about the really weird ones, they usually happen while I'm alone, and mostly others wouldn't notice them, except on a couple of occasions in front of people I REALLY would not like noticing, since those were at work and at school, with an inability to respond properly, being stuck, with nonsensical speech, and an awful headache.
But those were a long time ago, now it's just déjà vu, fear and queasiness.
Just curious about others' experiences.
Thanks Scott
Posted by Dinah on July 18, 2012, at 18:22:14
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » SLS, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 18, 2012, at 11:56:33
That is a very odd thing for your pdoc to say. I don't think I'd like to deal with someone who thought that way.
I've always thought it sounded like a temporal lobe event.
Posted by emmanuel98 on July 18, 2012, at 19:21:39
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » sleepygirl2, posted by Dinah on July 18, 2012, at 18:22:14
Deja vu is very common. That's why there is a name for it. This sensation (not really a feeling or a thought) that what is happening has happened exactly the same before is a common occurence. Epileptics report feeling a sensation of deja vu prior to a seizure (sometimes). But a sensation of deja vu can occur in anyone, epileptic or not.
After I had ECT, I had an opposite form of deja vu (for which there is no name). I had a sensation continually that I had forgotten something important. I stopped ECT early because of this uncomfortable sensation.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 18, 2012, at 19:29:48
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » sleepygirl2, posted by Dinah on July 18, 2012, at 18:22:14
Yeah, it bothered me. I don't mention them anymore.
Posted by sigismund on July 18, 2012, at 20:15:45
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like?, posted by emmanuel98 on July 18, 2012, at 19:21:39
>After I had ECT, I had an opposite form of deja vu (for which there is no name). I had a sensation continually that I had forgotten something important. I stopped ECT early because of this uncomfortable sensation.
Yeah, I have a friend who said that after ECT everything familiar seemed unfamiliar.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 18, 2012, at 20:18:22
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like?, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2012, at 20:15:45
There is something called "jamais vu"
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 18, 2012, at 20:21:37
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like?, posted by emmanuel98 on July 18, 2012, at 19:21:39
Oh, I know it is very common. I am curious to know what other things people experience with the déjà vu.
That would bother me too, Emmanuel.
Posted by Phillipa on July 18, 2012, at 21:30:06
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » emmanuel98, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 18, 2012, at 20:21:37
Did you google it as wiki come up and lists a lot of stuff about it? Phillipa
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 18, 2012, at 22:01:02
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » sleepygirl2, posted by Phillipa on July 18, 2012, at 21:30:06
Yeah, I see a lot of things pop up. I wanted to know what people here might experience. Maybe it's anxiety/mood related? I don't know.
Posted by Dinah on July 19, 2012, at 8:08:02
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » Phillipa, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 18, 2012, at 22:01:02
The thing is that while I know I've experienced it, the details are rather fuzzy. It didn't seem to me to be as if I were simply musing that this seemed awfully familiar and I've probably been here or done this before. It was more intense or eery than that, and without the thoughts that would ordinarily accompany recognizing a situation.
It hasn't happened to me that often. And for some reason, I associate it with smells that just aren't there, and that - while they have some associations in my mind - they have no association whatsoever with anything I'm doing at the time. The one that pops up most often is the smell of plastigoop. Not a smell that was often in my presence, since I and my brother rarely used our Creepy Crawler set. It's not at all associated with any particular memories. If I try to reach for the memory, I can't find it.
But again, it happens so seldom and is over so quickly that my recollections may be all wrong. I think it tends to happen when I miss my Lamictal. I suspect that even if I'm not prone to seizures, missing Lamictal for more than a day or so is likely to cause some brain glitches now I've been on it so long.
You said you were sitting watching Seinfeld. Well, chances are you have been sitting watching Seinfeld before. Possibly even the same Seinfeld. So I'm guessing it wasn't simply the thought that you've done this before, but instead some intense sensation? Did yours come with the smell or taste that I tend to experience? Where you disoriented?
Had I had your history with seizures, your pdoc's comment would have caused me to have second thoughts about our relationship. In fact, even if I hadn't had your history of seizures. But then I'm not overly attached to any of my pdocs. He may well have other fine and useful qualities to make up for what appears, on the surface and just from this statement, a tendency to hasty and judgmental conclusions.
Posted by Dinah on July 19, 2012, at 8:10:39
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » sleepygirl2, posted by Dinah on July 19, 2012, at 8:08:02
Rings N Things! I had Rings N Things, my brother had creepy crawlers, and neither of us used it more than handful of times, if that.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 19, 2012, at 8:56:43
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » sleepygirl2, posted by Dinah on July 19, 2012, at 8:08:02
>
If I try to reach for the memory, I can't find it.I can't find a memory, though I'm trying to.
> So I'm guessing it wasn't simply the thought that you've done this before, but instead some intense sensation? Did yours come with the smell or taste that I tend to experience? Where you disoriented?It's a powerful sensation. I am in its grip. Depending on the situation I will let it run it's course, or I will try to focus my attention on something else, maybe something tangible in the environment. It sort of feels like going down too fast on an elevator, and a strong sensation of fear, along with a certain fuzziness, because I feel in some way disconnected from my surroundings. There is a sensation after it had passed, like something drained from me, maybe a slight headache.
I don't get the smells.
When I had the worst of the episodes, years ago, over 10 years ago, I heard voices a couple of times.
Those were much more intense, with garbled speech, if I tried to speak, being unable to respond appropriately, I think some fidgety kind of movements. Those ended with bad headaches.However, now I have the much less intense version. Something I remember having all the way back to grade school.
> I guess, for whatever reason, the information is irrelevant to him. I suppose, if it has no bearing on treatment, then it is, and just a curiosity. I wouldn't be surprised if I had worse experiences decreasing klonopin and/or lamictal.
That, I suppose, is the thing to pay attention to.Thanks Dinah
Posted by Meatwood_Flack on July 19, 2012, at 20:17:11
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like? » Dinah, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 19, 2012, at 8:56:43
The mind tricks us all the time. Very powerful organ. Like incorporating real time sounds into one's dreams. My cat once knocked over a small fan as I slept and my mind incorporated the sound into the dream as someone shooting at me. Incidentally, the gun was already visible before the shot. Not deja vu, but another one of those brain quirks that make you go, "Hmmmmmm...WTF?"
Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 19, 2012, at 20:31:22
In reply to Re: Do you get déjà vu? What's it like?, posted by Meatwood_Flack on July 19, 2012, at 20:17:11
Yeah, dreams are crazy!!
Your brain makes all sorts of stories from bits and pieces, amazing, better than tv... sometimes. :-)
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 27, 2012, at 21:59:26
In reply to Do you get déjà vu? What's it like?, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 16, 2012, at 23:16:09
i've had it various times and they where all diffrent...i used feel like I saw something the day before....and then after I thought about it...i reliezed it never took place.
2nd i would have a dream of something when I was in 5th grade and we did the exact thing in the dream.the current stuff....it feel like I saw it in a dream...sometimes when I'm in dissociative states is when its much. It feels like a dream sometimes when I get deja...its wierd...sometimes there meanings to things.
rj
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