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Posted by sigismund on November 25, 2010, at 15:03:23
In reply to Re: NEW poll of the day » sigismund, posted by Free on November 25, 2010, at 14:53:11
You may have read this from the thread on native Americans? It's really just the last the last 5 or so sentences, but you need the rest to give you the sense.
This, of yours, brought it to mind...........
And yet there is only one great thing,
The only thing,
To live to see the great day that dawns
And the light that fills the world."
>For both the Ika and Kogi the earth is alive. Every mountain sound is an element of a language of the spririt, every object a symbol of other possibilities. Thus a temple becomes a mountain, a cave a womb, a calabash of water the reflection of the sea. The sea is the memory of the Great Mother.
>The life spun into being at the beginning of time is a fragile balance, with the equilibrium of the entire universe being completely dependent on the moral, spiritual and ecological integrity of the Elder Brothers. The goal of life is knowledge. Everything else is secondary. Without knowledge there can be no understanding of good and evil, no appreciation of the sacred obligations that human beings have to the earth and the Great Mother. With knowlege comes wisdom and tolerance. [......]
>One is called to the priesthood through divination. As soon as a child is born a mama (an enlightened priest) consults the Great Mother by reading the patterns that stones and beads make when they are dropped in water in ceremonial vessels. Those who are chosen are taken from their families as infants and carried high into the mountains to be raised by a mama and his wife. There the child lives a nocturnal life, completely shut away from the sun, forbidden even to know the light of the full moon. For eighteeen years he is never allowed to meet a woman of reproductive age or to experience daylight. He spends his life in the ceremonial house, sleeping by day, waking after sunset to cross in the darkness to the mama's house where he is fed. He eats twice more through the night, once at midnight and again shortly before dawn. His food is prepared only by the mama's wife, and even she may see him only in the darkness. His diet is a simple one: boiled fish and snails, mushrooms, grasshoppers, manioc, squash and white beans. He must never eat salt or foods unknown to his ancestors. Not until puberty is he permitted to eat meat.
>The apprenticeship falls into two distinct phases, each lasting nine years and thus mimicking the nine months spent in a mother's womb. During the first years the apprentice is raised as a child of the mama, educated in the mysteries of the world. He learns songs and dances, mythological tales, the secrets of Creation, and the ritual language of the ancients known only to the priests. The second nine years are devoted to higher pursuits and even more esoteric knowledge - the art of divination, techniques of breathing and meditation that lift one into trance, prayers that give voice to the inner spirit. The apprentice learns nothing of the mundane tasks of the world, skills best left to others. But he does learn everything about the Great Mother, the secrets of the sky and the earth, the wonder of life itself in all its manifestations. Because the initiates know only the darkness, they acquire the gift of visions. They become clairvoyant, capable of seeing not only into the future and the past, but through all material illusions of the universe. In trance they can travel through the lands of the dead and into the hearts of the living. Finally the great moment of revelation arives. After having learned for eighteen years of the beauty of the Great Mother, of the delicate balance of life, of the importance of ecological and cosmic harmony, the initiate is ready to shoulder his divine burden. On a clear morning, with the sun rising over the flank of the mountains, he is lead into the light of dawn. Until that moment the world has existed only as a thought. Now for the first time he sees the world as it is, the transcendent beauty of the earth. In an instant everything he has learned is affirmed. Standing at his side, the mama sweeps an arm across the horizon as if to say, 'You see, it is as I told you'.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 25, 2010, at 16:35:43
In reply to Re: NEW poll of the day, posted by sigismund on November 23, 2010, at 16:41:06
Hi Sigi,
Great song, thanks. I've not heard it before.
So how about....
Posted by Phillipa on November 25, 2010, at 20:41:42
In reply to Re: NEW poll of the day, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 25, 2010, at 16:35:43
I like for sure. Love PJxx
Posted by sigismund on November 25, 2010, at 21:51:12
In reply to Re: NEW poll of the day, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 25, 2010, at 16:35:43
Nice lips mouth and expression. The hint of a smile.
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 27, 2010, at 0:04:44
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: Whip My Hair, posted by Dr. Bob on November 21, 2010, at 12:39:19
Have you ever tasted tofurky? (You know, turkey-like food that is made of tofu.) If yes, did you like it? Why or why not?
Posted by Phillipa on November 27, 2010, at 0:28:09
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: tofurky, posted by Dr. Bob on November 27, 2010, at 0:04:44
Dr Bob now this will have to google as never heard of it? But I do know tofu and turkey. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on November 27, 2010, at 0:32:11
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: tofurky, posted by Dr. Bob on November 27, 2010, at 0:04:44
Out since 1995 no never tasted it. Boy behind the times again Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on November 27, 2010, at 0:40:51
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: tofurky, posted by Dr. Bob on November 27, 2010, at 0:04:44
It sounds like it's some modern made up thing.
Posted by Free on November 27, 2010, at 13:43:02
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: tofurky, posted by Dr. Bob on November 27, 2010, at 0:04:44
> Have you ever tasted tofurky?
No, but I'm going to pick some up at the natural market today. The Tofurky website says the roast is made with organic non-genetically engineered soybeans, and it's 100% vegan. And the reviews say it's pretty palatable.
I need to clean my system out after eating a lot of cured and roasted animals at a friend's Thanksgiving party. (Turkey, pig, and maybe a cow...all dead. :( And I bet they were all nice animals, too. ) I'll never understand why these innocent beings have to be part of the Pain and Suffering equation. I guess this is where radical acceptance comes in...
It was a lovely festive party with some interesting people from all over the place (France, Nigeria, Pakistan...). But instead of focusing on the lively conversations sprinkled with exotic accents, I kept ruminating about the poor animals and how they probably didn't feel very grateful to be stuffed with bunch of herbs and lemons, and bathed in who knows what kind of animal oils. I think I did a pretty good job pretending to listen though. I hope anyway.
Maybe it's my MI, but I've been feeling like cr*p after Thanksgiving. Tired and achy...just awful. I should have stuck to eating the fruit and veggie salads I brought instead of trying to be polite. But I kept drinking champagne and wine, and ate everything in sight. My physical condition can't all be about meat, but I swear, every time I eat a piece of steak, I can't get up the next day. And it takes a good week for me to recover from the worse than usual lethargy and depression.
Well, I feel a bit better today, so I'm going to force myself to get some fresh air and move my body around, and see if I can get myself back to baseline again. (Whatever that means.) Time for me to go vegetarian for a while.
I hope you all had a nice Thanksgiving. Or just a nice Thursday if you didn't celebrate it.
Posted by Deneb on November 27, 2010, at 21:11:30
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: tofurky, posted by Dr. Bob on November 27, 2010, at 0:04:44
> Have you ever tasted tofurky? (You know, turkey-like food that is made of tofu.) If yes, did you like it? Why or why not?
I have not tasted tofurky before, but I have heard about it. I am very adventurous when it comes to food so I'd try it for sure!
I usually like tofu and mock meats so I think I'd like tofurky.
Posted by Free on November 29, 2010, at 21:15:57
In reply to Re: NEW poll of the day, posted by sigismund on November 24, 2010, at 14:39:13
>In Vietnam I could go to a cafe with a beautiful view and read Cormac McCarthy for an hour or two while drinking my Vietnamese rum. Then I would walk home. If I felt like it I would walk past a shop and there would be some lovely looking Vietnamese man. He would ask where I came from. I could count on a 90 minute conversation about the American War, the French War, the communist victory, life under communism, the ethics involved in dealing with a defeated enemy, what the takeover was like, corruption, was it all worth it, the roots of genocide.
>
I loved reading this...sounds like something out of a beautiful novel. These are blissful moments that make life so worth it. Thanks for sharing, and transporting me to Vietnam for a moment. That was a nice break for me.
Posted by sigismund on November 30, 2010, at 1:26:49
In reply to Re: NEW poll of the day » sigismund, posted by Free on November 29, 2010, at 21:15:57
I think you would like Vietnam.
There is nothing I've seen there in the natural environment that you would go there to see.
Hanoi is one of the loveliest cities in Asia.
Da Lat is very nice.But the people!
I've been there twice and was so affected by them. Not everyone is nice, of course.
Compared to Japan the people are very outgoing.
Of course they are keen to practice their English and hand out business cards for potential business opportunities.And for me it is magnified by the fact that I grew up during the Vietnam war, and feel a sense of responsibility as a citizen of (what might be called) The Empire.
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 30, 2010, at 9:50:33
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: tofurky, posted by Dr. Bob on November 27, 2010, at 0:04:44
If you were in a rock band, what position would you want to have? Why?
Posted by PartlyCloudy on November 30, 2010, at 11:14:35
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: rock band, posted by Dr. Bob on November 30, 2010, at 9:50:33
Bass player and back up singer.
Bass players are always cool. I like playing a supportive role in a group situation.pc
Posted by 10derheart on November 30, 2010, at 17:02:48
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: rock band, posted by PartlyCloudy on November 30, 2010, at 11:14:35
Drummer.
I'm old and my feet hurt. I need to sit down.
Drummers are cool, too. Gets out aggression safely.
Sets the pace...others would have to follow *me* ;-)
Although I DO like PC's idea of bass player/backup singer. Hmmm....
Posted by sigismund on December 1, 2010, at 0:52:04
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: rock band, posted by PartlyCloudy on November 30, 2010, at 11:14:35
Bill Wyman got all the sex, so you may be right.
But then you could be like Robert Hunter with Grateful Dead and write the best lyrics and not even have to play.....
>Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men.
Posted by sigismund on December 1, 2010, at 0:53:48
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: rock band, posted by 10derheart on November 30, 2010, at 17:02:48
Then again I'm very fond of Charlie.
Posted by Free on December 1, 2010, at 3:09:32
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: rock band, posted by Dr. Bob on November 30, 2010, at 9:50:33
I sing and play the piano/congas/drums...all equally bad. But I do enjoy singing, and fantasize about gigging around with interesting musicians.
Since we're on the Stones, I'd like to be Mick. Or his old girlfriend, Marianne Faithfull, singing Trouble In Mind.
Trouble in mind, I'm blue
But I won't be blue always,
'Cause the sun's gonna shine
In my backdoor some day.I'm all alone at midnight
And my lamp is burnin' low
Ain't never had so much
Trouble in my life before.
Posted by sigismund on December 1, 2010, at 12:04:33
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: rock band, posted by Free on December 1, 2010, at 3:09:32
I don't know that.
I do remember the impact the album Broken English had on us all.
Lucy Jordan
Posted by Free on December 3, 2010, at 1:22:08
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: rock band » Free, posted by sigismund on December 1, 2010, at 12:04:33
> Lucy Jordan
The images are hauntingly vivid, lingering in my mind for a long time.
It scares me how much of myself I see in her. How did I get here anyway?I had to use dbt skills over a day and a half to shake it off. Back to "reality" now.
Marianne is an amazing artist. And she can hold a cigarette like no one else.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2010, at 17:58:27
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: rock band, posted by Dr. Bob on November 30, 2010, at 9:50:33
Do you own an iPod (any model)? Why or why not?
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2010, at 18:09:46
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: iPod, posted by Dr. Bob on December 3, 2010, at 17:58:27
Nope.
And I don't own a mobile phone/camera either or any other of this stuff.
Though my family has them and menaces me with them on and off.
This (computer here) is as tech as I get.
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2010, at 18:14:23
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: iPod, posted by sigismund on December 3, 2010, at 18:09:46
I confess.
We do have a large plasma screen TV (or whatever else type of thingo it is....IUD? DVD? Nope. The other electro lighting thing).
The shame is exquisite.
Posted by Phillipa on December 3, 2010, at 20:01:11
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: iPod, posted by sigismund on December 3, 2010, at 18:14:23
No don't have any fancy stuff either. Would never be able to figure them out. Sticking with computer inside house. Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on December 3, 2010, at 21:58:08
In reply to Re: Poll of the day: iPod, posted by Phillipa on December 3, 2010, at 20:01:11
You sell stuff on EBay though.
That's mental (as my kids would say).
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