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My little BioSil experiment

Posted by Deneb on September 29, 2009, at 13:58:42

I read some abstracts on pubmed that says people got thicker, stronger hair, fewer wrinkles and stronger bones while taking ch-OSA, which is choline-stablized orthosilicic acid. I only found 4 studies on it though. I wish there were more studies. Anyways, I am taking some right now. I'm going to measure my ponytail circumference in a year's time to see if it made any difference. Right now my ponytail circumference is 9 cm.

ch-OSA is a bioavailable form of silicon.

I have a 3 month's supply. I'm taking 10 drops a day.

Does anyone have any experience with BioSil?

 

Re: My little BioSil experiment » Deneb

Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:56:52

In reply to My little BioSil experiment, posted by Deneb on September 29, 2009, at 13:58:42

>> ch-OSA is a bioavailable form of silicon.
>
> I have a 3 month's supply. I'm taking 10 drops a day.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with BioSil?

~ ~ Never heard of it. Is "BioSil" the brand name?

Is it homeopathic? Or a liquid mineral?

I like the stronger bones part. The fewer wrinkles part is a bit late for me, unless it reduces existing ones.

Kath

 

Re: My little BioSil experiment

Posted by Deneb on September 29, 2009, at 20:20:05

In reply to Re: My little BioSil experiment » Deneb, posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:56:52

BioSil is a bioavailable form of silicon. I think BioSil is the name of this form of silicon. I think it may also be the brand name. There seems to be more than one brand, but they are all called BioSil, so I am a bit confused.

BioSil is ch-OSA. Orthosilicic acid is natural. It is naturally in spring water and in beer, but in lower quantities.

Here are the studies I found:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18547426?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid supplementation as an adjunct to calcium/vitamin D3 stimulates markers of bone formation in osteopenic females: a randomized, placebo-controlled trial.

BACKGROUND: Mounting evidence supports a physiological role for silicon (Si) as orthosilicic acid (OSA, Si(OH)4) in bone formation. The effect of oral choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid (ch-OSA) on markers of bone turnover and bone mineral density (BMD) was investigated in a double-blind placebo-controlled trial. METHODS: Over 12-months, 136 women out of 184 randomized (T-score spine < -1.5) completed the study and received, daily, 1000 mg Ca and 20 microg cholecalciferol (Vit D3) and three different ch-OSA doses (3, 6 and 12 mg Si) or placebo. Bone formation markers in serum and urinary resorption markers were measured at baseline, and after 6 and 12 months. Femoral and lumbar BMD were measured at baseline and after 12 months by DEXA. RESULTS: Overall, there was a trend for ch-OSA to confer some additional benefit to Ca and Vit D3 treatment, especially for markers of bone formation, but only the marker for type I collagen formation (PINP) was significant at 12 months for the 6 and 12 mg Si dose (vs. placebo) without a clear dose response effect. A trend for a dose-corresponding increase was observed in the bone resorption marker, collagen type I C-terminal telopeptide (CTX-I).Lumbar spine BMD did not change significantly. Post-hoc subgroup analysis (baseline T-score femur < -1) however was significant for the 6 mg dose at the femoral neck (T-test). There were no ch-OSA related adverse events observed and biochemical safety parameters remained within the normal range. CONCLUSION: Combined therapy of ch-OSA and Ca/Vit D3 had a potential beneficial effect on bone collagen compared to Ca/Vit D3 alone which suggests that this treatment is of potential use in osteoporosis. NTR 1029.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17960402?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Effect of oral intake of choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid on hair tensile strength and morphology in women with fine hair.

The appearance of hair plays an important role in people's overall physical appearance and self-perception. Silicon (Si) has been suggested to have a role in the formation of connective tissue and is present at 1-10 ppm in hair. Choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid ("ch-OSA") is a bioavailable form of silicon which was found to improve skin microrelief and skin mechanical properties in women with photoaged skin. The effect of ch-OSA on hair was investigated in a randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled study. Forty-eight women with fine hair were given 10 mg Si/day in the form of ch-OSA beadlets (n = 24) or a placebo (n = 24), orally for 9 months. Hair morphology and tensile properties were evaluated before and after treatment. Urinary silicon concentration increased significantly in the ch-OSA supplemented group but not in the placebo group. The elastic gradient decreased in both groups but the change was significantly smaller in the ch-OSA group (-4.52%) compared to placebo group (-11.9%). Break load changed significantly in the placebo group (-10.8%) but not in the ch-OSA supplemented group (-2.20%). Break stress and elastic modulus decreased in both groups but the change was smaller in the ch-OSA group. The cross sectional area increased significantly after 9 months compared to baseline in ch-OSA supplemented subjects but not in the placebo group. The change in urinary silicon excretion was significantly correlated with the change in cross sectional area. Oral intake of ch-OSA had a positive effect on tensile strength including elasticity and break load and resulted in thicker hair.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16205932?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Effect of oral intake of choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid on skin, nails and hair in women with photodamaged skin.

Chronic exposure of the skin to sunlight causes damage to the underlying connective tissue with a loss of elasticity and firmness. Silicon (Si) was suggested to have an important function in the formation and maintenance of connective tissue. Choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid ("ch-OSA") is a bioavailable form of silicon which was found to increase the hydroxyproline concentration in the dermis of animals. The effect of ch-OSA on skin, nails and hair was investigated in a randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled study. Fifty women with photodamaged facial skin were administered orally during 20 weeks, 10 mg Si/day in the form of ch-OSA pellets (n=25) or a placebo (n=25). Noninvasive methods were used to evaluate skin microrelief (forearm), hydration (forearm) and mechanical anisotropy (forehead). Volunteers evaluated on a virtual analog scale (VAS, "none=0, severe=3") brittleness of hair and nails. The serum Si concentration was significantly higher after a 20-week supplementation in subjects with ch-OSA compared to the placebo group. Skin roughness parameters increased in the placebo group (Rt:+8%; Rm: +11%; Rz: +6%) but decreased in the ch-OSA group (Rt: -16%; Rm: -19%; Rz: -8%). The change in roughness from baseline was significantly different between ch-OSA and placebo groups for Rt and Rm. The difference in longitudinal and lateral shear propagation time increased after 20 weeks in the placebo group but decreased in the ch-OSA group suggesting improvement in isotropy of the skin. VAS scores for nail and hair brittleness were significantly lower after 20 weeks in the ch-OSA group compared to baseline scores. Oral intake of ch-OSA during the 20 weeks results in a significant positive effect on skin surface and skin mechanical properties, and on brittleness of hair and nails.

 

Re: My little BioSil experiment » Deneb

Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 21:06:31

In reply to Re: My little BioSil experiment, posted by Deneb on September 29, 2009, at 20:20:05

Deneb - where do you buy it & what is the Brand name of yours?

Kath

 

Re: My little BioSil experiment » Kath

Posted by Deneb on September 29, 2009, at 21:14:24

In reply to Re: My little BioSil experiment » Deneb, posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 21:06:31

I bought mine at Nutrition House. I think I can get it much cheaper online, so next time I will find it online.

I bought the 30 mL drops. Mine are just called BioSil. I think Natrol might make then.

 

Re: Where's Larry Hoover?

Posted by Tabitha on September 30, 2009, at 11:21:46

In reply to My little BioSil experiment, posted by Deneb on September 29, 2009, at 13:58:42

I bet he could help us understand if those are good studies. Sure does sound like a great anti-aging supplement.

I'm getting good results with my hair/skin/nails supplement from the drugstore. Hair & nails both growing like crazy. My lashes even seem longer, more like they were when I was young.

 

Re: Where's Larry Hoover? » Tabitha

Posted by Kath on September 30, 2009, at 19:01:26

In reply to Re: Where's Larry Hoover?, posted by Tabitha on September 30, 2009, at 11:21:46

Hi Tabitha, does it make your hair any different? Shinier? What is it? A Vitamin/mineral supplement?

Do you notice any other improvements in your health - energy etc?

:-)

Kath

 

Re: Where's Larry Hoover? » Kath

Posted by Tabitha on September 30, 2009, at 23:59:33

In reply to Re: Where's Larry Hoover? » Tabitha, posted by Kath on September 30, 2009, at 19:01:26

Hair/skin/nails supps are usually a multi-vitamin with a lot of biotin. Biotin can give you pretty bad acne! It did that for me but it cleared up after a few weeks of use. I've noticed nails growing faster, my brows look thicker, my lashes are a bit longer, and I have lots of new baby hairs growing in on my head. I'm not sure if it will stay on my head though-- my big problem is I get a huge hair shed a couple times a year.

 

BioSil

Posted by Deneb on October 5, 2009, at 8:18:45

In reply to Re: Where's Larry Hoover? » Kath, posted by Tabitha on September 30, 2009, at 23:59:33

It's probably just my imagination, but my skin feels smoother now. My nails seem to be growing faster too.

It is really easy to take BioSil. I just put 10 drops of it in some orange juice. It's tastes bad, but the OJ hides the taste well. One 30 mL bottle lasts 3 months too so it is pretty cost effective.

I'm also taking a vitamin/mineral gummy daily. I like the gummies, it is like eating candy lol.

 

Re: BioSil » Deneb

Posted by Kath on October 5, 2009, at 10:00:13

In reply to BioSil, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2009, at 8:18:45

I doubt if it's your imagination! How long have you been taking it now? Sometimes these things can work pretty quickly.

Kath

 

Re: BioSil

Posted by Dinah on October 7, 2009, at 8:46:35

In reply to BioSil, posted by Deneb on October 5, 2009, at 8:18:45

Sounds like something I could use. Not only has my hair been baby fine (or thin) my whole life, but my nails are very soft.


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