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Posted by Cass on March 9, 2009, at 22:22:25
I haven't had a drink in a month and a half. Tonight I had a Mai Thai. I'm feeling a very slight high. How amazing to feel this way. Since my husband passed away, I've had very few moments of lightness; mostly I just feel the weight of sorrow and incomprehension. I wish I could escape in some larger way and feel at peace. I had dinner with a friend who lost his wife about 5 years ago. We compare our experiences. I think we're a little different in our coping styles. I was telling my friend that lately I've been longing for some big transcendent, mystical experience. I guess that would be like an escape, just like having a drink except on a larger scale. Love is a big mystical transcendent experience.
My dog is having behavioral problems since my husband passed away. Every night she goes outside and barks. It's uncharacteristic of her. She never did that before. It makes me so sad.
Oh you guys, have you had any big mystical transcendent experiences? What were they?
Posted by Garnet71 on March 10, 2009, at 0:21:00
In reply to I had a drink tonight, posted by Cass on March 9, 2009, at 22:22:25
Cass, that's great you went out with a friend and had a drink. If only I could follow your lead and quit working so hard on school.
I'm not sure if you were joking, but I've had an out of body experience that was life-changing (I don't know if mystical is the right word) and transcending; have had a few more since then, but they were not as dramatic as the first one way back when I was 14. If you are in touch with your self/soul, and it sounds like you are, you can self-induce them after some practice. I've had 2 additional ones that were self-induced, but they were not as exciting or remarkable as the first. I really haven't had the patience to try it lately.
And I think I could call a few of my past dreams mystical and transcending, including a recent healing dream. The healing dream was not 'exciting', but the emotion attached and after effects are incredible. And am thinking of one particular mystical dream that was beyond beauty...but a long time ago...I'm not sure how to create your own dreams though..but some people can do that when lucid dreaming. Maybe you could practice? When you are sleepy--and when in that in between conscious wake/sleep state--is the best time to practice these things. You can tell your mind what to do right at the verge of slipping out of the awake-state of consciousness.
Just wanted to share. You really can have such experiences that you desire, and I can't think of a better way to escape than those. I think just about everyone has the ability to experience transcendant states, but not everyone taps into all their spiritual or mental resources.
Take care,
Garnet
Posted by Tabitha on March 10, 2009, at 2:30:24
In reply to I had a drink tonight, posted by Cass on March 9, 2009, at 22:22:25
Hi Cass,
I'm sorry you're going through so much heaviness right now. It's nice when the mood lifts a bit, isn't it?I did have a couple of mystical transcendant experiences. In one, I met the creator, and he (yes, it did seem like a "he", although he wasn't visible) showed me all of creation. It looked like a giant fractal design, with incredible beauty and detail, and it was all growing and changing at the edges. I silently asked "why" and he let me experience the love driving it. Pretty awesome! Ok, some hallucinogens were involved, but it really didn't detract from the experience for me. I still believe creation is huge and awesome and driven by the creator's love.
There were no psychotropic substances involved in the second one. I was swimming laps, and something happened. The bottom of the pool seemed to drop out, so that I was swimming in some kind of infinite space. My mind went silent. I stayed in this state for about an hour, through showering, getting dressed, going through McDonald's drive-thru for lunch, and walking back into work. I functioned, and even talked to the McDonald's employee, all without my internal chatter. I was really in tune with nature, and horrified by the transition from the natural, weedy landscape, full of plants and insects, into the landscaped moncoulture of my office complex. I wanted to cry because the lush green grass seemed so dead compared to the weedy lot outside. The state wore off as the workday went on.
I hope you get your transcendant mystical experience soon.
Posted by Phillipa on March 10, 2009, at 10:54:57
In reply to Re: I had a drink tonight » Cass, posted by Tabitha on March 10, 2009, at 2:30:24
Cass sorry you're feeling bad. For me years and years ago my child l8mths was ill in the hospital wouldn't eat or drink. I came home at night ex stayed with her at night. I drank three beers woke or something during the night not religious but Jesus was seen by me transmitting a message with out words said "Be stong". Didn't think a think of it went back to hospital next day same no eating went home next night and Jesus came said the same thing returned to hospital next day looked at Daughter said if she want to live she will if not she won't. She got better that day. I not being religious have no idea was Jesus there or what was it? Love Phillipa
Posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 18:16:12
In reply to Re: I had a drink tonight » Cass, posted by Garnet71 on March 10, 2009, at 0:21:00
Those all sound like big, mystical experiences. I was recently talking to a lady who I don't know very well but seems to be a very nice, sincere person. She told me something with a lot of hesitation. She said she didn't know whether or not to tell me. I told her to go ahead. It was okay. She said that when I was talking about my husband she had seen his spirit. She said he put his hand on my shoulder and slid it around my back. I got chills and a wonderful warm, happy feeling. The idea of him being here with me in spirit is so wonderful. I still feel some comfort thinking of it. So I guess that was a mystical experience. I told her I believed her, and I was glad she told me.
Posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 21:30:50
In reply to Re: transcendent experiences, posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 18:16:12
Tonight I had shared a bottle of wine with a friend. I had half the bottle. It seems like alcohol is giving me the only momentary levity that I come by. I've regressed in self-esteem and in confidence and in taking care of myself. Lately I feel the way I did when I was a neglected child. I haven't felt that way for a long time. And I've gained A LOT of weight which I feel miserable and uncomfortable with. I haven't been a regular poster here for a long time, mostly because I was so much happier I didn't need to. I can call friends, but this is a place where I can talk about anything. Actually, I take that back... I talked about feeling suicidal here and I got 51-50'd, so I can't talk about just anything. Tell me, when do you feel good? When do you feel your best?
Posted by BayLeaf on March 10, 2009, at 22:38:28
In reply to Re: wine and levity, posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 21:30:50
Well, I haven't felt my best in many years.
I'm really glad you are posting through your pain. I wouldn't aim for "the best". Hell, I'm just glad you are getting through day to day. That's friggin great!
One day at a time. Just do one thing each day. Maybe use a calendar to help. One little thing. And if you don't to it - that's ok too.
You had one hell of a kick in the guy. Cut yourself some slack. Just do something positive/forward leaning everyday. Even if it's 30 minutes. Just something.
Take care. You know I do!
p.s. alcohol increases depressive symptoms so be careful with using that as a helper...k?
Hugs, Bay
Posted by BayLeaf on March 10, 2009, at 22:41:43
In reply to Re: wine and levity, posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 21:30:50
Posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 22:59:05
In reply to I forgot.....always love hearing from you :-) (nm) » Cass, posted by BayLeaf on March 10, 2009, at 22:41:43
Aww shucks, you're the best, Bay Leaf!!! I appreciate your concern, too. I know drinking is a very temporary fix and may make me more depressed. It's just been so tempting lately.
Posted by zenhussy on March 11, 2009, at 12:59:35
In reply to I forgot.....always love hearing from you :-) (nm) » Cass, posted by BayLeaf on March 10, 2009, at 22:41:43
Posted by Phillipa on March 11, 2009, at 22:34:42
In reply to Re: I forgot.....always love hearing from you :-) » BayLeaf, posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 22:59:05
Cass sounds like a lot of people care deeply about you. Even the Bob. I care also. Love Phillipa
Posted by Cass on March 11, 2009, at 23:37:25
In reply to Re: I forgot.....always love hearing from you :-) » Cass, posted by Phillipa on March 11, 2009, at 22:34:42
You know, Phillipa, I'm really lucky that so many people care deeply for me. I guess there's something good about me. I'm sure a lot of people care deeply for you, too. I also care. Thank you.
Posted by Phillipa on March 11, 2009, at 23:41:58
In reply to Re: I forgot.....always love hearing from you :-), posted by Cass on March 11, 2009, at 23:37:25
Cass that was sweet. Love Phillipa
Posted by Kath on March 12, 2009, at 10:46:37
In reply to Re: I forgot.....always love hearing from you :-), posted by Cass on March 11, 2009, at 23:37:25
Dear Cass,
Sorry I didn't reply to your post.
I am so glad you're keeping us in the loop of how you're doing.
My loving thoughs are coming to you.
love, Kath
Posted by Garnet71 on March 13, 2009, at 0:27:53
In reply to Re: transcendent experiences, posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 18:16:12
Cass, what a beautiful story. Your husband is definitely with you in spirit.
I believe everything that currently exists, everything that ever has existed and everything that will ever exist in the future really exists all at the same time--'now' actually encompasses everything-the past, present, and future--sort of like another dimension.
All possibilities exist in the 'now', but time is the key--it changes everything, or our perception of everything, around a certain way for a reason.
Posted by Gabbette on April 1, 2009, at 1:32:44
In reply to Re: transcendent experiences » Cass, posted by Garnet71 on March 13, 2009, at 0:27:53
I have a similar belief (ponderance?) it's not quite a belief.
We measure "time" as linear, but that's our perception. There are many reasons to believe
that time itself is not linear.
Posted by Kath on April 2, 2009, at 20:16:46
In reply to Re: transcendent experiences, posted by Cass on March 10, 2009, at 18:16:12
~ ~ ~ That's LOVELY!!!! xoxo Kath
> She said that when I was talking about my husband she had seen his spirit. She said he put his hand on my shoulder and slid it around my back. I got chills and a wonderful warm, happy feeling. The idea of him being here with me in spirit is so wonderful. I still feel some comfort thinking of it. So I guess that was a mystical experience. I told her I believed her, and I was glad she told me.
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Posted by Kath on April 2, 2009, at 20:17:50
In reply to Re: I forgot.....always love hearing from you :-) » Cass, posted by Phillipa on March 11, 2009, at 22:34:42
My daughter has similar thoughts about time.
I find it hard to get my head around it, but I don't disbelieve it.
Kath
Posted by manic666 on April 5, 2009, at 12:31:45
In reply to Re: I had a drink tonight » Cass, posted by Tabitha on March 10, 2009, at 2:30:24
i had a something simular if you let me tell you baby, i was at a liconshire coast in england escapeing my damaged brain,now that coast is flat an the sun was setting. as i sat in my car looking over the fenland marsh , the sun filled the hole sky an looked as if it was sat on the ground . just then in the twilight a flock of geese flew infront of the sun as they came to roost can you imagine that moment all on my own miles from the town
Posted by Cass on April 5, 2009, at 15:42:43
In reply to Re: I had a drink tonight, posted by manic666 on April 5, 2009, at 12:31:45
That was beautiful, manic. What a good experience. It sort of reminds me of this poem which I heard recited this morning:
Wild Geese
You do not have to be good.
You do not have to walk on your knees
for a hundred miles through the desert, repenting.
You only have to let the soft animal of your body
love what it loves.
Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine.
Meanwhile the world goes on.
Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain
are moving across the landscapes,
over the prairies and the deep trees,
the mountains and the rivers.
Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air,
are heading home again.
Whoever you are, no matter how lonely,
the world offers itself to your imagination,
calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting--
over and over announcing your place
in the family of things.Mary Oliver
Posted by Kath on April 6, 2009, at 11:17:46
In reply to Re: I had a drink tonight, posted by manic666 on April 5, 2009, at 12:31:45
Oh it sounds wonderful!!! Kath
> i had a something simular if you let me tell you baby, i was at a liconshire coast in england escapeing my damaged brain,now that coast is flat an the sun was setting. as i sat in my car looking over the fenland marsh , the sun filled the hole sky an looked as if it was sat on the ground . just then in the twilight a flock of geese flew infront of the sun as they came to roost can you imagine that moment all on my own miles from the town
Posted by Kath on April 6, 2009, at 11:20:05
In reply to Re: Wild Geese, posted by Cass on April 5, 2009, at 15:42:43
Hi Cass,
that made me sad for some reason.
Maybe I'm a bit gloomy today anyway. 3" of snow this morning was staring at me as well as it's still snowing!
I SO want the world to present me with the colour that Spring brings with it!!!
:-(( Kath
Posted by Cass on April 6, 2009, at 21:12:30
In reply to Re: Wild Geese » Cass, posted by Kath on April 6, 2009, at 11:20:05
Sorry the poem made you sad, Kath.
Today is like a summer day, but I'm not ready for summer. I want cool days. I want to hole up and feel like the rest of the world is doing the same.
Posted by Kath on April 7, 2009, at 19:46:34
In reply to Re: Wild Geese » Kath, posted by Cass on April 6, 2009, at 21:12:30
Sad is okay Cass.
Sometimes weird things make me feel sad.
I wasn't upset hun.
xoxoxo Kath
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