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Posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 22:05:55
Why is it that it's acceptable to have a cake in the shape of a penis, make fun, and have links to an erect model? Yet if I cooked up a "vagina" cake, I'd be a sexist pig who objectifies women?
Just curious. Why is one acceptable and the other not? Is it a Lifetime Channel TV thing? Men bad, women good?
I'm sure if I had linked my post to a picture of a sexually-aroused vagina, there would have been an outcry.
What a double standard.
Verne
Posted by James K on January 13, 2006, at 23:12:43
In reply to Vagina, posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 22:05:55
We can say pictures of erect penis cakes are wrong. The rub may be in saying, "Anyone who advocates pictures of erect penis cakes for any reason should be viewed with contempt."
This issue isn't black and white. There's a debate, even in government, about what sort of pictures of erect penis cakes should be allowed in extreme situations. Somehow these discussions need to remain civil and each side respect the other's point of view.
It would be better to talk about what a good thing pictures of erect penis cakes are, rather than speak negatively about those with opposing views - no matter how extreme.
Posted by Tabitha on January 13, 2006, at 23:17:26
In reply to Vagina, posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 22:05:55
I can't really picture a vagina cake, but a vulva cake sounds like a lovely idea.
Posted by gee on January 13, 2006, at 23:21:33
In reply to Re: Vagina, posted by Tabitha on January 13, 2006, at 23:17:26
Has anyone read or seen the Vagina Monologues? I really enjoyed reading them... on the same topic
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 13, 2006, at 23:24:02
In reply to Re: Vagina » verne, posted by James K on January 13, 2006, at 23:12:43
> This issue isn't black and white. There's a debate, even in government, about what sort of pictures of erect penis cakes should be allowed in extreme situations. Somehow these discussions need to remain civil and each side respect the other's point of view.
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> It would be better to talk about what a good thing pictures of erect penis cakes are, rather than speak negatively about those with opposing views - no matter how extreme.
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I didn't see any black and white in what Verne wrote at all. And I'm not sure if you were implying that he wasn't being the P.B version of civil, but I didn't think that either.
I apologize if you were talking about another discussion that I missed, maybe in the news or something.I thought he stating what attitude he sees exists at present, (and what I agree to be the case)
As for saying what a good thing Erect Penis Cakes are.. well I'm not sure whether it's that I agree that there is a double standard or just because it's plain tacky..or that I'm amazed I'm even typing the words "Erect Penis Cake" for any reason at all.. but I'm hard pressed (ha, no pun intended) to find anything good to say about them.
Posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 23:28:23
In reply to Re: Vagina » verne, posted by James K on January 13, 2006, at 23:12:43
Hey James,
I see the axe grinding.
When did I disparage anybody? When did I get personal or view another's point of view with contempt?
Nice to be quoted and paraphrased though.
Verne
Posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 23:36:23
In reply to Re: Vagina » James K, posted by Gabbix2 on January 13, 2006, at 23:24:02
Hi Gabbix,
I think James was making a comparison to a previous post I made on the admin board at: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20051013/msgs/578181.html
Verne
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 13, 2006, at 23:58:36
In reply to Previous Post » Gabbix2, posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 23:36:23
But how can discussing the good of humane treatment the *opposite* of torture, be compared to saying good things about the ERECT PENIS CAKE (Something about that just compels me to type it in capitol letters : )
In order for that comparison to be derived from your admin post, You would have had to suggest that "It's better to discuss what a good thing torture is, than to criticize it"
oh well..
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 14, 2006, at 0:14:22
In reply to Re: Vagina, posted by Tabitha on January 13, 2006, at 23:17:26
It's easier just to buy a half a mango and have cake on the side : )
Posted by Tabitha on January 14, 2006, at 0:22:57
In reply to Re: Vagina » Tabitha, posted by Gabbix2 on January 14, 2006, at 0:14:22
> It's easier just to buy a half a mango and have cake on the side : )
Good thinking. And while eating the cake and the half-mango you could contemplate this timeless image
http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/pd--10048111/Red_Canna.htm
Posted by verne on January 14, 2006, at 1:02:13
In reply to Re: Previous Post » verne, posted by Gabbix2 on January 13, 2006, at 23:58:36
you get it Gabbix, i thought you would.
Tom Cruise would probably say, "you complete me", but that kind of talk scares me.
Verne
Posted by verne on January 14, 2006, at 1:09:58
In reply to Re: Vagina » verne, posted by James K on January 13, 2006, at 23:12:43
To be fair James, let's include my follow-up explanation to the post you so lovingly borrow and quote. And, sarcasm doesn't work, when we notice it.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20051013/msgs/578816.html
Posted by muffled on January 14, 2006, at 1:40:34
In reply to My Response » James K, posted by verne on January 14, 2006, at 1:09:58
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 14, 2006, at 2:52:01
In reply to Re: Previous Post » Gabbix2, posted by verne on January 14, 2006, at 1:02:13
> Tom Cruise would probably say, "you complete me", but that kind of talk scares me.
>
> Verneyeah
I get it too
Posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 7:45:28
In reply to Vagina, posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 22:05:55
http://judychicago.com/judychicago.php?p=dinnerparty1
I don't know how to do this nice linking thing, but here's a nice website for you.
Posted by Joan797 on January 14, 2006, at 7:48:49
In reply to Vagina, posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 22:05:55
I think it is because women (at least some women) feel that they have been oppressed sexually for years, and have some issues with compulsiveness with new things or ideas (as many of us do).
In other words, it used to be okay for men to go to "stagg" parties and bachelor parties where women jumped out of cakes and stripped naked....but women had "showers" where they sat around and had punch and cake, discussing various recipes for meatloaf.
It seems that once the flood gates were opened and the sexually connotated activities of men became more acceptable or just plain "done" by women as well.......women seemed to run with the issue and perhaps got a little out of hand.
Now, having said that, and not so eloquently, I might add.........I must say this,
Is it really possible to make a vagina (or vulva as was mentioned previously) and have it actually look like what it is supposed to be portraying??? Booby cakes, easy. Penis cakes, easy.....but vagina/vulva???? seems kinda hard to me.
Although, I did make some Schwans chinese pot stickers for a New Years Eve party once. Everyone said they looked like little vaginas. I didn't see the resemblance, but who am I to judge.
Joan
Posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 7:50:01
In reply to Re: Vagina:Trigger Warning - artful vaginas, posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 7:45:28
http://www.judychicago.com/judychicago.php?p=the_dinner_party8
Posted by Joan797 on January 14, 2006, at 7:55:01
In reply to more specific example of above, posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 7:50:01
I guess it's not as hard as I thought to simulate an image of a vagina. However, it looks like it's full of pees.............(no pun intended)
Posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 8:00:11
In reply to Re: more specific example of above, posted by Joan797 on January 14, 2006, at 7:55:01
yeah, it does doesn't it? I guess they were on the menu?
every plate at her "dinner party" has a different "vagina"
Posted by Joan797 on January 14, 2006, at 8:04:28
In reply to Re: more specific example of above » Joan797, posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 8:00:11
I guess that nixes the idea of "you've seen one, you've seen them all"
Posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 8:08:10
In reply to Re: more specific example of above » sleepygirl, posted by Joan797 on January 14, 2006, at 8:04:28
interesting thought considering (not to be too blunt) you kind of have to go out of your way (as a heterosexual woman anyway) to see them
Posted by Joan797 on January 14, 2006, at 8:17:16
In reply to Re: more specific example of above » Joan797, posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 8:08:10
I have nothing more to say, I can't, I'm laughing so hard I think I need to go change my clothes..........
Posted by wildcard on January 14, 2006, at 9:45:49
In reply to Vagina, posted by verne on January 13, 2006, at 22:05:55
Posted by wildcard on January 14, 2006, at 9:53:17
In reply to more specific example of above, posted by sleepygirl on January 14, 2006, at 7:50:01
Posted by James K on January 14, 2006, at 10:33:59
In reply to My Response » James K, posted by verne on January 14, 2006, at 1:09:58
I took the "is it a lifetime channel thing" and "what a double standard" as sarcastic or attacking. I've been wrong before.
It was interesting for me to possibly step outside of the civility guidelines. I experienced avoidance feelings that I had to deal with.
I got fired from my job for sending a weird letter to my insurance company. I'm contemplating doing the same thing with a jury summons. This experience has forced me to examine that behavior more closely.
I appologize to the community for taking someone's words out of context. I wouldn't want that to happen to me. It seemed funny at that minute.
James K
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