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Posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 0:53:59
This is a bit disturbing...
I think it might be fun to be dead. I'm not depressed or anything, but I think it would be good to die.
Aaaah, what's wrong with me?
I think, "You (meaning I) should die."
I don't make any sense!
It's all good, as long as I don't act on the thoughts. I change my mind, I'm messed up.
Deneb
Posted by Declan on December 18, 2005, at 2:12:52
In reply to Possible to want to be dead w/o being depressed?, posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 0:53:59
Hi Deneb
I was wondering this today. I think the answer is probably yes.
Declan
Posted by spriggy on December 18, 2005, at 13:46:29
In reply to Re: Possible to want to be dead w/o being depressed?, posted by Declan on December 18, 2005, at 2:12:52
Yes, I think so..
Honestly, lately especially, if not for my husband and children, death would be very inviting to me.
I'm not suicidal- not at all actually.
I suppose I can only equate it to how you feel after you've had a very long day and you are just sooo ready for bed.
It's kind of like that with my life; it's not been a very long one, but it's been a very tough one- and sometimes, well, I just long for it to be over so I can have total peace and rest.
I think knowing I'll be in heaven makes me desire it more!
Posted by alexandra_k2 on December 18, 2005, at 16:14:46
In reply to Possible to want to be dead w/o being depressed?, posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 0:53:59
> I think it might be fun to be dead.
How so?
Death is not an event in life because death is not lived through w.
I don't think... It feels like anything at all to be dead.
Though... For the record...
I'd like to be cremated.
Or if I'm buried...
I'd like a tree to be planted over top of me.
Round about where my belly button is / was
Let me think on what kind of tree...
I think I want something with good strong roots...
Because the point is to be part of the tree...
Just in case it does feel like something to be dead
And your consciousness is still associated with your body / brain...
I'd like the particles to become part of another living thing...
I imagine that would take a number of years.I have been thinking...
I wonder if air has distributed consciousness.
I mean...
We do.
Our brains...
Different things going on in different parts of our brains
Produces different effects in our conscious experience
Our conscious experience is distributed in space
I wonder what happens to it when we die
Maybe it needs to be instantiated on / realised on something physical
Like money is more than bits of paper and metal but money needs some physical instantiation or other...
I wonder if it breaks up...
Becomes less distributed...
Or whether we become more distributed...
Whats it like to be air???
A gas???Death will some soon enough
<shudder>
I really do hope it is the end
Thats all I want
No more painBut then if all I really want is no more pain
Then how come I'm keen to become something that has the capacity to feel pain?I just don't like the thought of rotting flesh
And worms
<shudder>
I don't wanna be a worm :-(
Posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 16:27:07
In reply to Re: trigger **** » Deneb, posted by alexandra_k2 on December 18, 2005, at 16:14:46
I think what I really mean is I think it might be fun as a ghost.
I wasn't thinking in reality again. I think most of the time when I think about death, it isn't really death I'm thinking about.
I'm afraid of death sometimes, very afraid.
I miss Hammie.
Posted by alexandra_k2 on December 18, 2005, at 17:25:11
In reply to Sorry, I don't want to be dead, posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 16:27:07
> I think what I really mean is I think it might be fun as a ghost.
Yeah that would be fun :-)
I can think of a few people / places that I would like to haunt...
> I'm afraid of death sometimes, very afraid.Me too.
> I miss Hammie.(((((((Deneb)))))))
Posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 20:00:48
In reply to Possible to want to be dead w/o being depressed?, posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 0:53:59
> I think it might be fun to be dead. I'm not depressed or anything, but I think it would be good to die.
I wasn't making a joke out of death. I meant to say that *I* think it might be fun for *me* to be dead and be a ghost.
Also I meant to say that I think it would be good for *me* to die so I can be a ghost.
I'm not making fun of death. I'm just saying it would be interesting for *me* to be a ghost.
Posted by Phillipa on December 18, 2005, at 22:44:40
In reply to Was I civil?, posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 20:00:48
Deneb when you are young it is easy to guess about death. But when you become older like I am it becomes a reality I rally don't like to be reminded of. It seems like yesterday that I also felt immortal. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Susan47 on December 19, 2005, at 19:59:13
In reply to Re: Was I civil? » Deneb, posted by Phillipa on December 18, 2005, at 22:44:40
Sometimes I'm afraid of death too, until I realize it can't be any worse than sleeping and not dreaming. Except that it might be.. forever. That's the frightening thing. But then maybe if I lived in torture for even two minutes, I'd WANT to be dead forever. Sometimes when you're in severe pain or distress, that feeling that no matter, just let it be OVER .. well, that's scary especially if you're superstitious. Which I'm not. But really, dying is one wish or one experience we all get to have, for good or bad, wanted or not.. state of existence? or not?
Here's the ironic thing about death too; if there's nothing, it won't matter. So what's to be afraid of? Nothing?
Exactly. So something has to be better than nothing.
Don't go wishing it away.
Posted by alexandra_k2 on December 19, 2005, at 20:26:16
In reply to Whew., posted by Susan47 on December 19, 2005, at 19:59:13
> Here's the ironic thing about death too; if there's nothing, it won't matter. So what's to be afraid of? Nothing?
yeah. i've heard that some people fear death because they fear what might happen to the people who need them :-( oh to be an altruist ;-)
> Exactly. So something has to be better than nothing.
> Don't go wishing it away.so long as it isn't painful.
i worry that one might stay there...
conscious...
and lose ones sense of sight...
touch...
taste...
hearing...
(as the nerves rot)
that it might be complete and utter isolation
with no sensory input whatsoever
i worry about that...thats why i want to be cremated
just in case.
Posted by Susan47 on December 19, 2005, at 22:54:48
In reply to Re: good to see you back :-) » Susan47, posted by alexandra_k2 on December 19, 2005, at 20:26:16
Yes, as long as you're truly dead when they roll you in.
Posted by lynn971 on December 21, 2005, at 9:20:27
In reply to Re: good to see you back :-), posted by Susan47 on December 19, 2005, at 22:54:48
As you know from some of my post, I am a christian. The only reason I want to stay here is because of my husband and children. It will be so much better in heaven. No crying, no worries, no pain. Get to be with Jesus.
Just a thought? What if christians are right? What if when you die, something does happen? What if it is not just nothingness?
Love you gals,
Lynn
Posted by alexandra_k2 on December 21, 2005, at 18:28:49
In reply to Re: ((((deneb)))) ((((alexandra))))), posted by lynn971 on December 21, 2005, at 9:20:27
> Just a thought? What if christians are right? What if when you die, something does happen? What if it is not just nothingness?
Well... Then I guess hell is a very real possibility :-(
See... I've got it all figured out. What I'm gonna say to God (just in case there is one though I'm fairly sure there isn't). I'm gonna say... 'I tried to be the best person I could be. I did the best I could do. I didn't know if you existed or not. You didn't make your presence known... So... If my best ain't good enough... Then I guess I'm gonna burn in hell'.
And there it is.
Posted by Susan47 on December 21, 2005, at 18:46:48
In reply to Re: ((((deneb)))) ((((alexandra))))), posted by lynn971 on December 21, 2005, at 9:20:27
I think that would be splendiferous. I would LOVE LOVE LOOOOVVVEEE that, especially because I feel like I'm learning to live a good life here now, then it can only be that much better ever after ... I would love that. I would love that.
Can wishing make it true? I hear that hoping can ... Hope gives us life, I'm so glad you have your husband and children, you're blessed with each other and that's such a wonderful wonderful beautiful fantabulous .. gift. I totally love life right now, can you tell????
Posted by Susan47 on December 21, 2005, at 18:50:18
In reply to Re: ((((deneb)))) ((((alexandra))))) » lynn971, posted by alexandra_k2 on December 21, 2005, at 18:28:49
Well honey, imo if there is a indeed a God, then s/he/it won't have to ask anything, everything's already known ... okay, so whose script am I living by, then? Do I get to throw my hands up and say, the devil made me do it, or, it's really not me this isn't my script! ... I've lost it. Gone mad with unresolved .. something, something. Something. But what, what? What?
Posted by Susan47 on December 21, 2005, at 18:59:16
In reply to Re: ((((deneb)))) ((((alexandra))))), posted by lynn971 on December 21, 2005, at 9:20:27
Sorry, y'know, I just forget that there's other points of view sometimes. Because I'm so totally entrenched in my own reality, I've finally got this Identity, I'm serious. (Sad isn't it) What I'm thinking just now is that I suddenly realized that I actually believe what I'm saying with such tiny little room left for doubt, in my head, that I totally forget to leave my discussions open to all viewpoints, I start posting with this incredibly narrow little window of understanding, because I'm not thinking from a Christian viewpoint or any other one than mine, really. I'm just not that quick, y'know? So I appreciate you jumping in and bringing us back to reality, which is that no one really knows but a lot of us think we do ... I keep getting stuck in thinking my own way and forgetting to appreciate other's understandings .. and honestly, to be truthful about this Lynn, it doesn't matter really to me who's right or not about this because either way, it has to be okay. We just don't have any choice in this matter, but we have choices which are sometimes really limited, in life anyway, and I don't always make the right ones but I feel so kind of lucky to be able to have ANY choices to make. Sorry, I got carried away, this became more than a short loving and lovely answer as I really intended it to be. I'll probably be PBC'd again and blocked for even longer..
Posted by lynn971 on December 21, 2005, at 21:26:24
In reply to Re: ((((deneb)))) ((((alexandra))))) » lynn971, posted by Susan47 on December 21, 2005, at 18:59:16
It is good to come to babble land and have people who can support you no matter what our religious beliefs are. I just want you to know that I am not a person who judges people even if we do not have the same beliefs.
uh! the thought of hell makes me cringe! I wish that there were no such thing as hell.
Posted by Phillipa on December 21, 2005, at 21:48:54
In reply to Re: I really like you guys, posted by lynn971 on December 21, 2005, at 21:26:24
Did anyone see the Barbara Walters special on last night on Heaven. We taped it as it's two hours long and watched part of it last night. She interview someone of all faiths Christian, Jewish, Islam to name a few. And belive it or not as far as I watched it we really do all have similar views. Gonna watch some more before bed. And Susan why do you think you'd get a PBC? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Susan47 on December 22, 2005, at 14:23:10
In reply to Re: I really like you guys, posted by lynn971 on December 21, 2005, at 21:26:24
Hmm, see now, hell is my blind spot, 'cause I honestly believe that hell is a concept created by man to reflect the worst parts of life, to frighten everyone into submitting to a better good.. whatever that's supposed to be, I suppose we've made it so that we can survive no matter what at the expense of everything else. It's ironic that in our drive to survive, we're killing not just everything else but of course, ourselves as well.
In any case Lynn, I totally find the concept of hell insupportable, even if I find the concept of heaven imaginable, 'cause I think the worst hell is the one we make ourselves right here IRL. Now of course that's just my blind opinion, well, maybe not exactly blind, but definitely uneducated and ignorant. Really, I've never read the bible or a lot of other worthwhile reading. I really admire people who can do that, people who take the time to research what they're talking about on an honest level. I guess that's what formal education is about. Don't have any.
Posted by Susan47 on December 22, 2005, at 14:25:51
In reply to Re: I really like you guys, posted by Phillipa on December 21, 2005, at 21:48:54
Because I tend to pee people off.
I'm not surprised that people have similar views across religions, if I'm reading you right, concerning what they refer to as heaven, because we all share the human experience and misery and joy are common to most of us in the same manner, really.
Posted by TexasChic on December 22, 2005, at 17:54:34
In reply to Re: good to see you back :-) » Susan47, posted by alexandra_k2 on December 19, 2005, at 20:26:16
I felt bad that you got blocked in the thread we were having a conversation in.
-T
Posted by TexasChic on December 22, 2005, at 19:16:58
In reply to Re: trigger **** » Deneb, posted by alexandra_k2 on December 18, 2005, at 16:14:46
> Though... For the record...
> I'd like to be cremated.
> Or if I'm buried...
> I'd like a tree to be planted over top of me.
> Round about where my belly button is / was
> Let me think on what kind of tree...
> I think I want something with good strong roots...
> Because the point is to be part of the tree...That's beautiful. I'd like it to be a Magnolia.
> Just in case it does feel like something to be dead
> And your consciousness is still associated with your body / brain...
> I'd like the particles to become part of another living thing...
> I imagine that would take a number of years.
>
> I have been thinking...
> I wonder if air has distributed consciousness.
> I mean...
> We do.
> Our brains...
> Different things going on in different parts of our brains
> Produces different effects in our conscious experience
> Our conscious experience is distributed in space
> I wonder what happens to it when we die
> Maybe it needs to be instantiated on / realised on something physical
> Like money is more than bits of paper and metal but money needs some physical instantiation or other...
> I wonder if it breaks up...
> Becomes less distributed...
> Or whether we become more distributed...
> Whats it like to be air???
> A gas???
>
Whoa, deep. I've actually thought somewhere along those lines. There are things that would seem umbelievable to us now, but may be understood in the future. Its the way its always been. So who's to know if 'ghosts' actually exist and can be explained scientifically, but we're just not advanced enough to understand yet.-T
Posted by TexasChic on December 22, 2005, at 19:33:53
In reply to Sorry, I don't want to be dead, posted by Deneb on December 18, 2005, at 16:27:07
First off, I'm so sorry about Hammie. ((((Deneb))))
As for the curiousity about death, I think that's normal. I think everyone wonders what its going to be like, no matter what their beliefs are.
When my time comes, if all hope is gone and death inevitable, I think my thoughts would be, "I'm finally going to find out what really happens!!!" If I have the opportunity to think about it that is.
-T
Posted by alexandra_k on December 22, 2005, at 19:44:24
In reply to Re: ((((deneb)))) ((((alexandra))))) » lynn971, posted by Susan47 on December 21, 2005, at 18:59:16
i think you are alright
i love to hear you say what you think
:-)
Posted by TexasChic on December 22, 2005, at 19:49:12
In reply to Re: I really like you guys, posted by lynn971 on December 21, 2005, at 21:26:24
> It is good to come to babble land and have people who can support you no matter what our religious beliefs are. I just want you to know that I am not a person who judges people even if we do not have the same beliefs.
If only the rest of the world could be that way! I have my own beliefs, but who am I to say I'm right and somebody else is wrong. I figure, why argue about it when we won't know until it actually happens anyway. Its like arguing about the color of the sky in a hypothetical world, in a hypothetical universe.
-T
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