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Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 18:48:04
In reply to Re: No Comment Nezirov on Expertise Alternatives, posted by Nickengland on July 2, 2005, at 16:40:13
That's not what I mean. It is obvious that most (all?) of you have embraced the pharmacological solution and that if I suggest alternatives, you will try to shoot them down. Besides, I'm not against the short-term use of certain drugs to get people "over the hump", but I am strongly opposed to the chronic use of these newer drugs that alter major neurotramsnitters for years at a time. If so many people had "chemical imbalances" as the drug companies would have us believe, the human species would have died out long ago.
You need to take a more holistic approach and treat the individual - look at their personal history and lifestyle and try to understand how that got to this point in their life. Not just say "you have a chemical imbalance, and should take this pill for the rest of your life".
Because I have been persoanlly effected by the inappropriate pushing of thsee drugs, I have submitted a scientific paper with case reports on the persistence of sexual side effects after using SSRIs to a medical journal. I believe I have an ethical obligation to do that, even though it could hurt my career. It amazes me that you can find internet postings about persistent secual side effects of SSRIs since way back ten years ago, when people first started using the internet. Yet, you will not find *one* case report in the medical literature. If there had been one, I would never have taken an SSRI in the first place. This to me speaks volumes about the moral integrity of psychiatrists and shows how little they listen to their patients. I've had people with persistent side effects of this nature tell me that they *begged* their shrinks to write up a case reprt or notify the FDA about this, but were flatly denied. There is not accountability and responsibilty. If and when my paper gets published (it may be blocked because of politics), I hope it prods the media to look at this issue in much more detail, and not just the sexual side effects.
I believe that there are other peristent effects of these drugs that last long after discontinuance, such as apathy and some cognitive deficits. I haven't experienced those myself, but I have heard from many people who have.
As I said previously, I am not opposed to the use of these medications for people who truly need them (and maybe I really needed a course of valium back in 2001), but the reuptake inhibitor drugs have been grossly over-marketed and pushed as a cure-all for everything from PMS to chronic pain. It's just wrong because people don't realize the heavy price they may pay in the long term for using these drugs. They effect too many systemes in the body and that's why there are so many side effects. By contrast, benzodiazepines work primarily on GABA metabolism in the amygdala - they are much more precise, but the drug companies have been pushing the SSRIs because they have patents on those, but not the benzos.
I can suse my own case as an example: When I initially got anxiety in 2001 (while working as a postdoc at a major medical university) the team of psychiatrists I saw (I agreed to be a subject in a training program for young shrinks) tried to push neurontin and paxil on me. I asked the psychiatrists why they thought these drugs were right for me, especially neurontin, which I'd never heard of and appeared to be an anti-epilepsy drug or something. Nobody could give me a proper answer. I asked again why I should try these newer drugs when something like a short course of valium would probably work just fine, but *not one* of then could give me an answer. None of them. So I took valium , and started to improve. But they kept hounding me about getting on an SSRI, even though I was improving. Wouldn't give up about it, and put so much pressure on me that I finally gave in and took the stuff. It was the wrost decision I've ever made in my life. In the future I will always trust my gut instincts and never go against them.
This is definitely my last post on this subject. Good luck to all.
Nezirov
Support and Education forum...even an Alternative Forum for you to post..what more could you ask for... :-)
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> Take care lol
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 19:07:35
In reply to Re: No Comment Nezirov on Expertise Alternatives, posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 18:48:04
Hey Nez, every time I came off ssri meds my sex drive came raging back, more powerful than ever! If you are having problems still you have an entirely different problem! Is this why you are so bitter?
P.S. The human race suvived without meds before, but everyone was put in horrible mental wards to live in torture! Ya, I miss the good old days................
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 19:13:49
In reply to Re: NEZ you have other problems, posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 19:07:35
When did you escape?
> P.S. The human race suvived without meds before, but everyone was put in horrible mental wards to live in torture! Ya, I miss the good old days................
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 21:31:35
In reply to Re: NEZ you have other problems, posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 19:13:49
Your wit is only eclipsed by your charm!
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 21:33:20
In reply to Re: NEZ you have other problems, posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 19:07:35
P.S I may be crazy, but at least I am not impotent!
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 21:43:18
In reply to Re: No Comment Nezirov on Expertise Alternatives, posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 18:48:04
Hi, you know you don't have to stop posting, people will read what you say, maybe disagree, but it doesn't mean your experience isn't valid. It's all good for consideration as we don't have the answers, but do the best we can to make decisions for ourselves.
By the way: I took Neurontin without the slightest idea of why, because it didn't do a darn thing and I took several pills a day.
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 21:47:08
In reply to Re: NEZ you have other problems, posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 21:33:20
You still here, stalker? Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not impotent at all. I have low libido, an important distinction.
You on the other hand, by your own admission, are crazy! LOL> P.S I may be crazy, but at least I am not impotent!
Posted by linkadge on July 2, 2005, at 21:49:20
In reply to Tom Cruise and Scientology, posted by SLS on June 30, 2005, at 20:25:01
Its really terrable. When you have a mental illness, your brain is not working properly in the first place. It is very easy for people in this position to buy into this kind of filth.
You were taking celexa for how many years ? Don't tell me that somebody was pointing a gun to your head day and night for two years.
You had a decision. You *could* have gone out and read up on them, and made an informed decision etc.
The problem is, that, like many of us who take the drugs, we notice that they do provide enough improvement that we continue to take them.
You feel a certain way. You came off the drugs, and you probably feel crappy. Its only natural lash out at the drug companies.
I came off them, I felt crappy, but it is foolish to make up a whole bunch of mental delusions directed towards the drug companies.
If there was anyone to blame, it was myself.
I mean heck, its not a conspiracy that the drugs cause impotence, I got that warning first thing on the shoppers drug mart print out.
I don't blame the drug companies. I blame God for my sour outlook.
Linkadge
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 21:52:14
In reply to Re: NEZ you have other problems, posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 21:47:08
Low Libido, are you joking!? Is that a disease, condition, what. Probably has a lot to do with your low self esteem.Maybe there is a pill for you that can fix that!Oops, I forgot, you are against pills, unless they help you! LOL........................................................
Posted by 10derHeart on July 2, 2005, at 21:53:45
In reply to Re: NEZ you have other problems, posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 21:33:20
...be civil. I'm not even involved, just reading, and I feel put down and offended!
This has been, and could still be, an interesting and informative discussion.
But not when it turns into name-calling and insults.
If Dr. Bob ends up choosing to block you or others, we all lose the opportunity to hear and consider your POV.
And that's very unfortunate, IMO.
So, please....some kindness and consideration for each other and the rest of us, too?
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 21:57:31
In reply to Com'on, please Nezirov and » flmm, posted by 10derHeart on July 2, 2005, at 21:53:45
I will not be abused by some impotent vitamin pusher, telling me how I should live my life. I got this far in my life without his help, I'll get to the end without it as well...............
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 21:58:16
In reply to Com'on, please Nezirov and » flmm, posted by 10derHeart on July 2, 2005, at 21:53:45
we've gotten a little rude.
Thank you,
the formerly rude and reformed,
sleepygirl
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 21:59:25
In reply to Com'on, please Nezirov and » flmm, posted by 10derHeart on July 2, 2005, at 21:53:45
All I do is retaliate to his silly ad hominem attacks.
Anyway it's obvious that people like him and linkage don't read my posts properly anyway, and make assumptions.
As I said, I don't have impotence. Secondly, you can't find mention of persistent sexual side effects, such as low libido, anywhere in the scientific literature so how could I "read up on them" ? I don't have time for this childish nonsense. I'm outa here.
> ...be civil. I'm not even involved, just reading, and I feel put down and offended!
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> This has been, and could still be, an interesting and informative discussion.
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> But not when it turns into name-calling and insults.
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> If Dr. Bob ends up choosing to block you or others, we all lose the opportunity to hear and consider your POV.
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> And that's very unfortunate, IMO.
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> So, please....some kindness and consideration for each other and the rest of us, too?
Posted by 10derHeart on July 2, 2005, at 21:59:33
In reply to yes please, I know we're passionate but...., posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 21:58:16
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 22:02:11
In reply to Re: Com'on, please Nezirov and, posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 21:57:31
> I will not be abused by some impotent vitamin pusher, telling me how I should live my life. I got this far in my life without his help, I'll get to the end without it as well...............
Hahahah....They're coming to get get you!! They're coming to get you!! ROTFLMAO
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 22:04:29
In reply to Re: Com'on, please Nezirov and, posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 22:02:11
Hey Nez you impotent prick, you can't find liturature on persistent sexual side effects because they don't exist. What an imbicile! At least I can please my wife!
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 22:05:31
In reply to Re: Com'on, please Nezirov and, posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 22:04:29
> Hey Nez you impotent prick, you can't find liturature on persistent sexual side effects because they don't exist. What an imbicile! At least I can please my wife!
Thay're coming to get you!!! LOL
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 22:06:13
In reply to Re: Com'on, please Nezirov and, posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 22:05:31
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 22:11:04
In reply to BE NICER OR I WILL BITE YOU! (nm), posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 22:06:13
Are you gone or what? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL ............................................................................................................................................................
Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 2, 2005, at 22:11:09
In reply to BE NICER OR I WILL BITE YOU! (nm), posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 22:06:13
Posted by gabbii on July 2, 2005, at 22:11:12
In reply to Re: Com'on, please Nezirov and, posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 22:04:29
>What an imbicile!
You know, when you're calling someone an "imbecile" it's a lot more effective if you know how to spell it.
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 22:11:43
In reply to BE NICER OR I WILL BITE YOU! (nm), posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 22:06:13
It's Ok, I've called the cyber-stalker police. I'm also trying to find out which asylum he was released from all those years ago. You know, the one he mentioned in the earlier post. I think they made a mistake...
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 22:13:04
In reply to BSology, posted by TomG on July 2, 2005, at 18:30:00
that is scary stuff
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 22:13:40
In reply to NEZ, I thought you left already!, posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 22:11:04
> Are you gone or what? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL ............................................................................................................................................................
Well, even though you make a complete fool of yourself, your ranting is kinda entertaining ...keep posting!
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 22:13:50
In reply to Re: BE NICER OR I WILL BITE YOU!, posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 22:11:43
Please stand up. Not you Nez! LOL LOL LOL
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