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Posted by SLS on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:27
How unfortunate.
Let's hope that this is another blessing in disguise.
Right now, Mission Impossible is playing on TV. I am finding it impossible to accomplish the mission of watching it.
- Scott
Posted by Darwin on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to Tom Cruise and Scientology, posted by SLS on June 30, 2005, at 20:25:01
There has been a lot of press lately concerning Tom Cruise's odd behavior. At times he has been unusually elated, outspoken, and combative. Maybe it's love or maybe it's hypomania. How ironic that the psychiatric drugs he denounces may be exactly what he needs.
Darwin
Posted by sleepygirl on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to Tom Cruise and Scientology, posted by SLS on June 30, 2005, at 20:25:01
Posted by linkadge on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to Tom Cruise is an *ss (nm), posted by sleepygirl on June 30, 2005, at 21:23:51
Yeah, normal people may not take/need these drugs, but they don't go around making life complicated for those who do. I think it is indicative of an internal struggle.
Linkadge
Posted by iforgotmypassword on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to Re: Tom Cruise is an *ss, posted by linkadge on June 30, 2005, at 22:07:48
because if they believe him, and say f--- pharmaceuticals and f--- psychiatry, it could either cause the pharmaceutical industry to release drugs that actually work, or shift the balance in favour of more intelligent neurologists taking over and replacing outdated psychiatric conventions.
with that being said of course, i think scientology should be illegal. now.
Posted by mworkman on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by iforgotmypassword on July 1, 2005, at 6:10:44
what is scientology? is it a cult or something?
Posted by partlycloudy on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by mworkman on July 1, 2005, at 10:56:55
there's lots of pro and con information out there if you Google it. Personally I think Tom Cruise is currently having a manic episode that will conclude when his latest movie has been in the theatres for a couple of weeks.
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by iforgotmypassword on July 1, 2005, at 6:10:44
I agree. He is criticizing psychiatry, not those with mental illness. Psychiatry is the biggest case of "The Emperor's New Clothes" in the history of medicine. It is an absolute disgrace. It is morally bankrupt, and all about power, control, and money.
Nezirov
> because if they believe him, and say f--- pharmaceuticals and f--- psychiatry, it could either cause the pharmaceutical industry to release drugs that actually work, or shift the balance in favour of more intelligent neurologists taking over and replacing outdated psychiatric conventions.
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> with that being said of course, i think scientology should be illegal. now.
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 12:06:37
I see Nezerof,and all people with mental illness just need vitamins...........
What a joke!
I got some news for ya, there is no concpiracy! You should be thankful any medication exists at all!
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 15:50:08
Whoever said anything about a conspiracy?? Hmmm...
...and why should I be thankful for medications? I took celexa for a couple of years and all it did was take away my sex drive. I should be thankfull for that? It is my firm belief that psychiatrists and medications do much more harm than good in the long term.Nezirov
> I see Nezerof,and all people with mental illness just need vitamins...........
> What a joke!
> I got some news for ya, there is no concpiracy! You should be thankful any medication exists at all!
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Posted by Nickengland on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:28
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 16:05:48
The illness(s) do much more harm than good in the long-term...its easy to put down psychiatry, but not so easy to offer alternatives as you end up looking like a fool like Tom Cruise saying "Vitamins and Exercise"
Psychiatry is in its infancy Nezirov and there is so much more to be learned for the future. We have come along way from what the treatment was 200 hundreds ago and many thousands upon hundreds of thousands of people are helped.
Yes some people can be made worse by medication that is supposed to make them better. But in the past people were left for dead quite literally.
I can understand that you have bitterness for being let down by a medication and psychiatry...but that does not mean that "everyone" has been let down and are under-going more harm than good in the long-term...when in reality many people who are in and out of hospital are finally put on the "right" medications they can regain their lives, build familys and hold down full-time jobs.
At present medications only treat the symtoms..they are not an over-night quick fix - There is no alternative than what psychiatry has to offer today and if you think you you can treat any severe mental illness otherwise please lets us know...
Kind regards
Nick
Ps Sexual dysfunction is a common problem in people who have never taken SSRI medication aswell as never even had a psychiatric problem.
Posted by linkadge on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 12:06:37
I agree with *some* of what you say, but aren't you throwing the baby out with the bath water?
Aren't you thinking a little too black and white ?
How can you say that you fully understand what psychiatry has to offer when you've only taken one drug ?
People can get stuck in the habbit of projecting depression's bitterness on something intangable.
For me, my life sucks, my job sucks, I have no money, no future, etc. Sure, I like to project my unhappiness on something else like psychiatry, but that doesn't do me any good.
*Some* psychiatrists think they have all the answers, but not all. Not all of them are arrogent. Many of them know the limitations of the medications they have. Many of them are real people.How can you suppose that nobody is helped by the medications ?
Invent a better drug youself, in your basement.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him... » Nezirov, posted by linkadge on July 1, 2005, at 16:48:30
We need better medications regardless. But these things take time to develop.
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by linkadge on July 1, 2005, at 16:51:43
Medications help me greatly! I simply can not function without them! So I should blame doctors for not having all the answers! Preposterous! No drug will fix everything, ever! They give a lot of people the oppurtunity to find happiness, they do not create it. I think some people expect far too much from thes drugs.Take the pill, get off your butt, and go out the door and find something that brings you joy. The pills only release enough anxiety that I can do that. I can not take all the whining about why these drugs don't make people happy. 50% help is all I expect, the rest is up to me. You won't catch me whining.......................
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nickengland on July 1, 2005, at 16:33:12
Some people may need medications, I'm not denying that. But only a small percentage of people. If you believed the DSM manuals, then everybody has mental illness. Nonsense.
A lot of the problems people have are a result of the way society is today. I could talk at length about that, but another time.
Anyway, the drugs are vastly overprescibed and many people end up getting mental illness from them who never had it originally.
The human brain is the most complicated thing in the known universe, and artificially raising a major neurotransmitters for years at a time will almost always cause further damage.
Then you end up getting hooked on the drugs for life. It's a vicious circle..Nezirov
> The illness(s) do much more harm than good in the long-term...its easy to put down psychiatry, but not so easy to offer alternatives as you end up looking like a fool like Tom Cruise saying "Vitamins and Exercise"
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> Psychiatry is in its infancy Nezirov and there is so much more to be learned for the future. We have come along way from what the treatment was 200 hundreds ago and many thousands upon hundreds of thousands of people are helped.
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> Yes some people can be made worse by medication that is supposed to make them better. But in the past people were left for dead quite literally.
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> I can understand that you have bitterness for being let down by a medication and psychiatry...but that does not mean that "everyone" has been let down and are under-going more harm than good in the long-term...when in reality many people who are in and out of hospital are finally put on the "right" medications they can regain their lives, build familys and hold down full-time jobs.
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> At present medications only treat the symtoms..they are not an over-night quick fix - There is no alternative than what psychiatry has to offer today and if you think you you can treat any severe mental illness otherwise please lets us know...
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> Kind regards
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> Ps Sexual dysfunction is a common problem in people who have never taken SSRI medication aswell as never even had a psychiatric problem.
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Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him... » Nezirov, posted by linkadge on July 1, 2005, at 16:48:30
> I agree with *some* of what you say, but aren't you throwing the baby out with the bath water?
No.
> Aren't you thinking a little too black and white ?
No.
> How can you say that you fully understand what psychiatry has to offer when you've only taken one drug ?
I don't think psychiatry has anything to offer any more. Most psychiatrists don't even *listen* to there patients. So how can they help them? Listening is absolutely critical to any helping profession.
> People can get stuck in the habbit of projecting depression's bitterness on something intangable.Speak for yourself...
> For me, my life sucks, my job sucks, I have no money, no future, etc. Sure, I like to project my unhappiness on something else like psychiatry, but that doesn't do me any good.
I have a good job, I have money, I have a future. I also used to have a very good sex drive, which was taken away by a so called "antidepressant". I may recover at some point, but in the meantime I'm learning as much as I can about psychiatry, neurology, neurobiology etc. and my current conlusion is indedd that psychiatry is a pseudoscience. I'm a top-level scientist myself, Ph.D. in cell/molecular biology so I think I'm qualified to make that decision.,
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> *Some* psychiatrists think they have all the answers, but not all. Not all of them are arrogent. Many of them know the limitations of the medications they have. Many of them are real people.Well, I have not met one psychiatrist so far who was not arrogant *and* ignorant. True, sample size only about 10, but that's enough to make an assesment for me.
Some, people are helped, but most just get caught on the drug merry-go-round, and end up getting diagnosed as "bipolar III" or some other such nonsense.>
> Invent a better drug youself, in your basement.Huh? Actually I have the scientific exertise to do that, but why would I, when I don't think drugs are the answer?
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Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 17:04:51
> Medications help me greatly! I simply can not function without them! So I should blame doctors for not having all the answers! Preposterous! No drug will fix everything, ever! They give a lot of people the oppurtunity to find happiness, they do not create it. I think some people expect far too much from thes drugs.Take the pill, get off your butt, and go out the door and find something that brings you joy. The pills only release enough anxiety that I can do that. I can not take all the whining about why these drugs don't make people happy. 50% help is all I expect, the rest is up to me. You won't catch me whining.......................
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Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nickengland on July 1, 2005, at 16:33:12
> The illness(s) do much more harm than good in the long-term...its easy to put down psychiatry, but not so easy to offer alternatives as you end up looking like a fool like Tom Cruise saying "Vitamins and Exercise"
I don't think Tom looked like a fool at all. It's about time some public figure had the guts to come forward and expose this house of cards. I don't think vitamins or exercise ae the answer, but they don't damage the lives of hundreds of thousands of people like thesed rugs do.
> Psychiatry is in its infancy Nezirov and there is so much more to be learned for the future.Your're very right about that...
>but that does not mean that "everyone" has been >let down and are under-going more harm than >good in the long-term...Are you really 100% sure about that?
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> At present medications only treat the symtoms..they are not an over-night quick fix - There is no alternative than what psychiatry has to offer today and if you think you you can treat any severe mental illness otherwise please lets us know...
The alterantive is vitamins and exercise. No, I'm kidding. I think there are some forms of tru mental illness. Of course there are. But most mental illness today is caused environmental causes.
> Ps Sexual dysfunction is a common problem in people who have never taken SSRI medication aswell as never even had a psychiatric problem.Yeah, I know. And your point is??
Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 18:04:29
Have a nice cup of "Get over the bitterness" juice Nezerov,I will be waiting for you to come up with all the solutions! PLeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease................
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 18:21:52
> Have a nice cup of "Get over the bitterness" juice Nezerov,I will be waiting for you to come up with all the solutions! PLeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease................
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Posted by flmm on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 18:30:16
???????????????
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by flmm on July 1, 2005, at 18:21:52
> Have a nice cup of "Get over the bitterness" juice Nezerov,I will be waiting for you to come up with all the solutions! PLeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease................
As I've said before, some people do require these medications. You stated in a previous post that you are one of them. I would tend to agree. But the majority of people who take these brain disruptors don't need them.
Posted by linkadge on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:30
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 19:03:12
Posted by Nezirov on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:30
In reply to What does ???????? mean ? (nm) » Nezirov, posted by linkadge on July 1, 2005, at 19:28:16
I guess it means something like "???", as in "huh?".
Posted by Declan on July 2, 2005, at 0:55:30
In reply to Re: personally i hope people listen to him..., posted by Nezirov on July 1, 2005, at 19:03:12
When I was 17 I needed to believe that this society had soul doctors. I therefore went to see a shrink. I was stubborn about the soul doctor thing, and it was quite some time before I got over it, and went into psychodynamics where I could indulge it. However my contact with psychdrs led me to a 30 year benzo habit, enabled by 70s style Rxing for them. Not really the drs fault, I would have done it and other stuff on my own. But the first rule of medicine is first of all do no harm. In my opinion we'd be better off with illegal drugs, vitamins and exercise. Or maybe I'm just jaundiced.
Declan
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