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Posted by Jazzed on June 1, 2005, at 22:32:24
In reply to Re: the way I see it, posted by MidnightBlue on May 28, 2005, at 20:27:59
> I have fought depression--serious depression--on and off for 30 years. In addition I am in almost constant physical pain from orthopedic problems. To choose to live isn't always an easy choice, but it is the RIGHT choice and the best choice.
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> Each of you have so much to give. This world would be a much sadder place without you.
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> MidnightBlue
I know you're really trying to help, and I'm sure your words are appreciated, BUT it also comes off as though you're discounting the way some people feel, which I'm sure was not your intention. These feelings can't be helped, they can't just be turned off, they are usually persistant. It's best to talk about it with people who are understanding and non-judgemental.When you say that "chosing to live is the best choice and the right choice", yes, I think we all rationally know that, but if that's the only opinion out there, then it forces the suicidal person underground, to deal with this by themselves, which is NOT helpful. The forums are to support one another no matter what the feelings are. Woolav needs to talk, to express herself, and to know she is among friends who can listen.
Again, I know you were only trying to help, but I strongly suggest that you look at the suicide prevention sites out there, so you can be more helpful next time.
Jazzed
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 1, 2005, at 22:32:24
In reply to Re: the way I see it » MidnightBlue, posted by Jazzed on June 1, 2005, at 12:34:19
Jazzed,
I'm sorry I upset you so much and that I came off as insensitive. There were many months even years where I fought daily, even hourly to choose to stay alive. It was NOT easy, and I almost didn't make it. I still have suicidal thoughts almost daily. I had to reach the point where I realized it was not a choice I was free to make.
You are right I don't have any experience at all with suicide prevention. All I know is what I went though. I don't want to get into specifics because I don't want to trigger someone. I won't post on this topic again.
Again, please accept my apologies.
MidnightBlue
Posted by linkadge on June 1, 2005, at 22:32:24
In reply to Re: the way I see it » Jazzed, posted by MidnightBlue on June 1, 2005, at 15:50:23
Well the "right" thing to do would be for God to heal us all don't you think?
Since he doesn't seem to be in any rush to display his sence of morals, I don't think I really care about right and wrong at this point.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 1, 2005, at 22:32:24
In reply to Re: the way I see it » Jazzed, posted by MidnightBlue on June 1, 2005, at 15:50:23
What bothers me is that you can fight all you want and make all the progress you want, and be back at square one at the drop of a hat.
There are no guarentees with depression. There's no investment.
If I knew for a fact that I could keep the gains that my effort invested then I would continue.
But thats what this is. It is learned helplessness.
I quite literally don't understand people who think "they've got this beaten". I feel like saying: "thats the only way that you can get up and continue your life is by thinking you're in control"
"Free will" and "control" are the greatest and perhaps most cunning illusions that life has ever
presented.Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2005, at 0:15:33
In reply to Re: the way I see it, posted by linkadge on June 1, 2005, at 17:09:29
Being in control. That is how I always feel I have to be. It is a burden. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Jazzed on June 2, 2005, at 10:48:16
In reply to Re: the way I see it, posted by linkadge on June 1, 2005, at 17:09:29
> Well the "right" thing to do would be for God to heal us all don't you think?
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> Since he doesn't seem to be in any rush to display his sence of morals, I don't think I really care about right and wrong at this point.
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> Linkadge
>I didn't even think of that linkadge, you're right, it seems so unfair to have to feel this way. So wrong that there's so much suffering. I agree wholeheartedly, someone's opinion of right and wrong should even come up in a discussion about feelings or suicide, because it is judgemental.
Jazzed
Posted by Jazzed on June 2, 2005, at 10:52:45
In reply to Re: the way I see it, posted by linkadge on June 1, 2005, at 17:27:38
My mother in law is SO intolerant of ppl with depression, esp. her sister in law. I have never told her about my experiences with it. She'd be even more critical of me than she is now, but she's a B, so I don't even care. I wish for one year she could go through it and see what her opinion is then. She's very intolerant about everything though. You're right, there's no controlling it, and it can come on w/o any warning, scary.
Jazzed
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