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Posted by jrbecker on March 26, 2005, at 12:41:53
Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide crises
03/26/2005 13:06
The effect is astounding: a patient starts seeing only bright colors in the surrounding world
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/360/15176_whipping.html
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 26, 2005, at 13:03:15
In reply to Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris, posted by jrbecker on March 26, 2005, at 12:41:53
> Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide crises
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> 03/26/2005 13:06
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> The effect is astounding: a patient starts seeing only bright colors in the surrounding world
>
> http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/360/15176_whipping.htmlYou just never know what people will come up with....
A placebo-controlled trial of Cranial Impact Therapy in the treatment of major depression.
I. M. Trying, Ph. D., Grant Seeker, M.D.
Hoboken General Hospital64 subjects, determined to be suffering from major depression as defined in the DSM-IV, were randomized to one of four experimental groups. Three groups were treatment arms in which subjects were dropped, head down, onto concrete floors from heights of one, two, or three meters. The fourth group was a control group, in which subjects were dropped one meter onto feather pillows. All subjects were fully anaesthetized during treatment to avoid collateral impact with the floor by any other body part, and to ensure that subjects had no knowledge of the actual treatment received. Following treatment, each subject was administered an oral version of the Gesundheit Depression Scale. Results: An inverse relationship (p<0.01) was found between height before impact and expression of depressive symptoms in the active treatment groups. A significant difference between the control group and each of the treatment groups on the GDS was also found (p<0.05). Increases in measures of anxiety in the control group suggest that impacting feather pillows might itself have adverse effects. Subjects in the treatment arms did experience declines in mobility, and bowel control. They also demonstrated a reduced capacity for speech, but the extent of the interaction between this observation and the reduction in the oral expression of depressive symptoms, as measured by the GDS, must await further study.
Posted by Toph on March 26, 2005, at 13:55:45
In reply to Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris, posted by jrbecker on March 26, 2005, at 12:41:53
I just took my head out of the vise and I feel a lot better, too.
Posted by cubic_me on March 27, 2005, at 12:07:09
In reply to Re: Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris » jrbecker, posted by Toph on March 26, 2005, at 13:55:45
I self-injure, and don't see any bright colours. Where am I going wrong? ;)
Posted by justyourlaugh on March 27, 2005, at 12:41:52
In reply to Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris, posted by jrbecker on March 26, 2005, at 12:41:53
"The whipping therapy becomes much more efficient when a patient receives the punishment from a person from the opposite sex"...
can my husband beat the crap out of me?
will i be able to get out of bed everyday?
j
Posted by partlycloudy on March 27, 2005, at 18:13:32
In reply to hummm.., posted by justyourlaugh on March 27, 2005, at 12:41:52
lol, jyl! I've never understood the difference between these things, either!
Posted by 10derHeart on March 27, 2005, at 22:29:47
In reply to Re: Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris » jrbecker, posted by Toph on March 26, 2005, at 13:55:45
Oh....a vise, that's the ticket.
I was trying a nutcracker from the kitchen drawer and somehow, nothing was happening. Thought it was an appropriate tool for me, though.
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on March 27, 2005, at 22:40:20
In reply to Re: Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris » Toph, posted by 10derHeart on March 27, 2005, at 22:29:47
Posted by Susan47 on March 31, 2005, at 9:45:49
In reply to Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris, posted by jrbecker on March 26, 2005, at 12:41:53
That actually makes sense. But what a bizarre scene it makes. Maybe I should've got my last male T, Dr. Gorgeous, to whip me, LOL. Humans are strange, fantastic creatures.
Posted by Susan47 on March 31, 2005, at 9:48:15
In reply to Re: Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris, posted by cubic_me on March 27, 2005, at 12:07:09
You probably need someone of the opposite sex to hurt you. That's what they say is most effective ... oh, and the whip, don't forget it's whipping the buttocks ... omigod. How odd. And healing time, too. Oh, man. Very weird. So you go to your grave with a broken body but a whole mind ...
Posted by Susan47 on March 31, 2005, at 9:49:32
In reply to Re: Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris » Toph, posted by 10derHeart on March 27, 2005, at 22:29:47
Oh my, try the nutcracker on your big toe, maybe, not your head?
Posted by sunny10 on March 31, 2005, at 11:45:28
In reply to Re: Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris » 10derHeart, posted by Susan47 on March 31, 2005, at 9:49:32
hmmm, I'm guessing this wouldn't be very well received by those of us who were beaten as children which BOLSTERED our depression...
Or to CSA survivors... pain=end of suffering? I think not....
Of course, it is the devil's advocate side of me that writes this... I am not personally upset by this thread (although I personally wouldn't try that type of therapy!) and my feelings have not been hurt in any way by the postings of others...
(didn't want anyone feeling guilty!! Not necessary...)
-sunny10
Posted by Susan47 on March 31, 2005, at 12:12:57
In reply to Re: Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris, posted by sunny10 on March 31, 2005, at 11:45:28
Yes, I remember being whupped pretty good myself, but I don't remember why I feel the pain so clearly. I mean, I remember the pain and the heat and the swelling and all that, but I don't remember actually being beaten.. I know it happened, though. Very weird and I do fantasize about recreating that. Weird, huh? But I wouldn't want to do it s a Treatment method .. that's depressing... LOL. Now ssshhh, we don't want to be too Freudian about my post.
Posted by used2b on April 3, 2005, at 14:54:11
In reply to Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide cris, posted by jrbecker on March 26, 2005, at 12:41:53
The important element of endorphine-producing therapies probably has to do as much with cognition of associated experiences as it does with the undifferentiated elevation of endorphine activity. In the case of the Siberian study, it would be instructive to know if gay people better respond to same-sex whipping.
Painful rituals enjoy a long history in human culture. Many aboriginal tribes practice, or once practiced, painful initiation rites. Early Spanish Catholics in the American Southwest were reknowned for self-flagelation and a few continue the practice to this day. Tribes in the upper Great Plains of the US practiced painful sundance rituals, and some continue the practice today.
I dare not attempt counting the proportion of modern parents who consider intentional inflamation of the buttocks to be an appropriate means of adjusting the attitude of their progeny. Some schools still maintain the practice, especially toward younger students. Flagelations during initiations to collegiate associations are often dismissed as youthful pranksterism yet their role in shaping social-congition is poorly understood and rarely studied.
I suspect the efficacy of pain-related rituals or treatments somehow correlates with authoritarian circumstances, especially those in which cultural expectations don't allow an individual an opportunity to opt out of cultural roles, or where legitimized authoritarian expecations were closely associated with parental nurturing.
Following the same a hunch, I would expect those who self-injure outside any legitimizing social context usually suffered physical or emotional pain under the control of a childhood caregiver.
Posted by bimini on April 13, 2005, at 7:46:03
In reply to Endorphine therapies and cognitive associations, posted by used2b on April 3, 2005, at 14:54:11
Submission to authority, and to abrogate guilt in a physical way. I wonder if donations are equivalent to flagelation, recompensing to restore justice and balance.
Pranksterism, hmmm... you've got the wheels going now.
bimini
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