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Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:32:20
In reply to Re: Amry's On Ecstasy, posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 14:14:03
Hi Angielala,
I think I just got us a voice...but I'll let you know more within the next couple of weeks :-)....
Bebe
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:53:40
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-furexplan » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 11:25:48
Hi Lou,
If you go back to psycho-babble in September, you can see that I posted as "dancingstar" from then on except for the time that I was blocked, just recently, when I responded to someone in a way that upset Dr. Bob because I was angry that someone posted links to sites funded by Wyeth as verification that Effexor is a safe drug.
From September through January I have posted many, many things on my feelings about Effexor and the damage it can do. I've posted links galore as well as my intentions to do everything in my power to change things to the best of my ability. I've now been able to pass the ball off to others, wonderful others, and I get to rest and do my work for a while.
If people need help, all they need to do is read what I have previously written as it is all there for them, right here on this site, but it isn't in one place so that I can't provide one link. It started with "Has Anyone Had Success on Effexor" or something like that...and continued on from there.
Posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 14:55:51
In reply to Re: Amry's On Ecstasy » Angielala, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:32:20
Ooooo... tell me tell me!
> Hi Angielala,
>
> I think I just got us a voice...but I'll let you know more within the next couple of weeks :-)....
>
>
> Bebe
Posted by sunny10 on February 16, 2005, at 15:01:47
In reply to Re: Amry's On Ecstasy » Angielala, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:32:20
I don't kow about you, dancingstar, but I stopped taking it about five months ago and my brain is still not back to normal. (And, yes, it was a HORRID withdrawal, but I won't go into that here- it's all been said on the med board)
I always won all of the spelling bees at school, was a good writer, had an excellent memory for details (almost OCD-like), and consistently thought twenty steps ahead (which comes in handy in my career).
Now I can't spell, can hardly form comprehensible sentences, forget things within five minutes, and can barely think at all- forget about thinking ahead!
I may be more able to "deal with my emotions", which means that the Effexor managed my chemicals long enough for the therapy to have an affect, but am now so stressed over the "med's rotten leftovers", that I now suffer from stress instead of MDD !
I'm not sure that I would have chosen stress (and all of it's inherent bodily illnesses) over dpression if I had been told by the docs that one would be replaced by the other by taking the meds...
Yes, people need a voice. It's too late for me, but it's not for someone who will be diagnosed and medicated tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, next decade... Hopefully THEY, at least will accept a medication with "informed consent"...
Thank you for doing what I would never be strong enough to do. I really think what you're doing is great!
-sunny10
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 15:02:12
In reply to Ohhh- this sounds good!, posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 14:55:51
Please write me at Bebe0217@aol.com :-)
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 15:14:08
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy, posted by sunny10 on February 16, 2005, at 15:01:47
I'm not back to normal. My brain is, kind of, but I worry about a few things...like those bumpy things that I'm afraid could affect the heart. I get that feeling usually when I'm a little stressed, but I also get them in the middle of the night, like if you take antibiotics that you are allergic to. My stomach is still kind of off, and my neck and upper back are getting better, but still are not quite right. I'm much more calm than I was, but it has been a long and very slow process. For those of us that never took Effexor for depression of any kind to begin with, that is a true rip-off.
But since I stopped taking it, I've been thinking very clearly...very, very clearly. And I instantly got my energy back when I stopped taking the drug.
You've already written to me??? Yes? I lose track of who is who on this site, I'm really sorry.
If not, please file a record of your problem with the FDA. Here's the link:https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/medwatch/
If there is any way to send me some verification that you've filed this so that I know I am not picking up drug company shills along the way, that would be greatly appreciated.
Besides that, it isn't too late...well, not really :-)
Bebe
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 19:55:21
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-furexplan » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:53:40
ds,
I now know a little more about what you have been writing about. I was attempting to asnswer your question of "why".
I was going to show how mind, mood -altering drugs started in Sumaria and the orient and then trace the development through the middle ages, world war one and then world war 2 and to now.
This may not be what you asked?
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 0:31:53
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-mndaltdrgs » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 19:55:21
Not really, you're right. The question when posted onto this board from the other lost its context. It was mostly rhetorical. I didn't understand what you were trying to understand, Lou, I'm sorry.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2005, at 9:41:41
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-mndaltdrgs » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 0:31:53
ds,
You wrote,[...I didn't understand what you were trying to understand...].
I now understand after seeing that this is involved in another thread.
I was going to answer the question by you,"why?", by writing what I have found out by studying the attempts by goverments and entities to develope mind-control tactics historically, the use and development of drugs to make people's minds able to be controlled, the things that I have found out studying about the relationship to psychiatry to all of this and the world-wide economic issues involving the German pharmacy conglomerates and their offshoots, from around 1880 to now.
I then was going to write what I have studied to find out about the chemical constintuants of psychotropic drugs and what they do to the nervous system and the mind of those that take them. Then I was going to write here what I have found out about the drug, Effexor.
Is all of this moot?
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 12:40:28
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-almot? » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2005, at 9:41:41
Hi Lou,
I pretty much understand the economic history of psychotropic and other drugs and how we got to this point. It was truly a rhetorical question.
If you have any specific information about Effexor, I am very interested knowing about that because that particular drug has caused me great physical and ultimately emotional harm.
Thanks, Lou.
Bebe
Posted by sunny10 on February 17, 2005, at 12:49:48
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy » sunny10, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 15:14:08
my brain is still mush- can't think clearly (in comparison to before) my energy is NOT back, AND I have the rest of the stuff you mention, too...
How long have you been off? I'm hoping I still have a chance that I might get my clear thinking back, at least...
I'm going to check out the website- DEFINITELY no drug company shill HERE !!!
Posted by sunny10 on February 17, 2005, at 12:54:39
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy » sunny10, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 15:14:08
can't get to that website through work's server. Is there a form I can fill out somewhere and an adress to mail it to?
Not everyone has a computer at home...
Posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 13:12:22
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy, posted by sunny10 on February 17, 2005, at 12:54:39
I took this phone number off of the web site. Maybe they can get you a form to fill out, but I'm not positive how that works.
1-888-463-6332
Posted by sunny10 on February 17, 2005, at 14:08:52
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy, posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 13:12:22
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 7:25:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-almot? » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 12:40:28
ds,
You wrote,[...any spacific infomation on Effexor?...].
I have a way that I would present your situation that could be different from orthodox procedure. I have found that Effexor is an offshoot of a chemical made by the German pharmacy company , Merck, in 1910 or so. I havn't written about how the chemicals of other classes of drugs were used in the 1800s and before.
My presentation would give the opportunity for one to consider that chemists that made Effexor would have at least the potential to know about the effects of these class of drugs. The active chemical in Effexor is an offshoot of {phenethylanaline}. I havn't written about amphetamine or methamphetamine yet, but I could tie that in with chemicals used in dyes and solvants and nerve agents to kill parasites in relation to how effexor was developed. If I was to make a prensentation about effexor, I think it could have the potential to have one think that these chemicals in these class of drugs are dangerous to living things. My presentaion would be on the chemical-molecular level as to what happens to the whole body after these type of drugs are taken {on a regular basis}. You have plenty of people already that have experianced adverse effects from this type of chemical drug,{O-desmethylvenlafaxine}. I have not yet written how chemists make these drugs and how and on what basis the governments of countries allow them to be legally produced and marketed.
I have also not written about what is called {the chemical-imbalace theory of psychiatry}, which some consider to be the {foundation} of biological psychiatry. What if that theory is false?
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 7:38:20
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-histofefxr » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 7:25:47
It sounds as though many people are starting to come forward with the idea that psychiatry has been leaning on drug therapy as a means of doing business without any proof that this is doing more good than harm. After doing my own albeit limited research over the past few months on SSRI's, I've come to believe that they are barbaric and that absolutely no one should be taking them for any reason whatsoever...but I don't imagine that I will be able to effect changes on that great a level. I will have to settle for what little I can accomplish in that regard and be happy if I can make some progress.
Lou, may I ask you what your background is?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 7:53:46
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-histofefxr, posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 7:38:20
ds,
You wrote,[...what is your background?...].
I am a retirerd math teacher but my major was biological and physical sciences.
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 8:29:54
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-histofefxr » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 7:25:47
"My presentation would give the opportunity for one to consider that chemists that made Effexor would have at least the potential to know about the effects of these class of drugs. The active chemical in Effexor is an offshoot of {phenethylanaline}. I havn't written about amphetamine or methamphetamine yet, but I could tie that in with chemicals used in dyes and solvants and nerve agents to kill parasites in relation to how effexor was developed. If I was to make a prensentation about effexor, I think it could have the potential to have one think that these chemicals in these class of drugs are dangerous to living things. My presentaion would be on the chemical-molecular level as to what happens to the whole body after these type of drugs are taken {on a regular basis}. You have plenty of people already that have experianced adverse effects from this type of chemical drug,{O-desmethylvenlafaxine}. I have not yet written how chemists make these drugs and how and on what basis the governments of countries allow them to be legally produced and marketed."
I'd love to hear what you have to say about this. It is very interesting to me.
One of the things, along with many others that I am curious about is if venlafaxine is an offshoot of some amphetamine derivative, how does it ultimately have the effective of causing extreme fatigue? Though I will say that the fatigue happens after taking it for several weeks or months and certainly becomes worse more gradually. Could that be because of the nerve damage that is done?
I said many times to my internist in the last few months, since I stopped taking Effexor, that it felt as though my nervous system had been badly injured.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 8:45:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-histofefxr » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 8:29:54
ds,
You wrote,[...I'd love to hear what you have to say about this...].
There is a lot to be written here about this. I have not yet written about the {benzo}{di}azapines} and the chemistry concerning.
I have also not written how the Nazi regime of 12 years under Hitler, and the preceeding years before Hitler and the psychiatrists and chemists durring Hitler's regime fit into this.
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 9:15:07
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-wntstohr » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 8:45:51
...fit into the creation of venlafaxine?
I can grab ahold of the idea that the Nazi regime would encourage the use of amphetamines for many reasons, but I am having trouble with the link between the creation and presciption of venlafaxine and why it would be used today if it were developed for malicious purposes and this were known to be true. Can you help me understand your theory?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 12:03:03
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-wntstohr » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 9:15:07
ds,
You wrote, [...can you help me understand ...].
I have not yet written about the neuroleptic drugs in relation to the phenothiazines. I have also not written about that the brain produces an enzyme called {acetyl}{cholin}{ester}{ase} to break down {acetyl}{choline}.
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 12:04:52
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-zyclon » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 12:03:03
Are you going to at some point?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 12:14:07
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-zyclon » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 12:04:52
ds,
You wrote,[...are you going to at some point?..].
Yes, but I think that for it to be understood, that more infomation could be of benifit.
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 18, 2005, at 12:17:00
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-morinfo » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 12:14:07
Like what exactly?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 18, 2005, at 15:14:55
In reply to Re: Please list strategies for successful withdrawal: » dancingstar, posted by dancingstar on February 15, 2005, at 23:37:13
> ...of course, whether or not it is "successful" is a matter of opinion.
>
> Unanswered questions that I continue to ask myself and anyone that will listen:
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> Why should we have to go through this in the first place?
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> Why should there be a need for a board like this?
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> Why should doctors prescribe drugs that cause this much damage to one's body, mind, and spirit?ds,
You wrote,[...what...?].
Let us go back and look at the post of yours that I originally reponded to above. One of your questions was [...why these drugs are prescribed...?].
I think that that is a good question.
Lou
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