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Posted by jay on May 22, 2004, at 23:14:17
In reply to make-up challenged, posted by tabitha on May 22, 2004, at 18:26:49
A little advice Tabitha. Honestly...don’t worry about it. Take the money you would spend on the nail-polish and buy yourself a book or something. See my line above..”I rest my case...at least my vanity..dressed up in the mask of comedy. If laughter is the straw...for a drowning (in your case) woman.” So, buy a REALLY funny book..or go see a really funny movie..:-)
Jay
Posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 0:04:34
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » tabitha, posted by shar on May 22, 2004, at 19:21:35
see Shar, you're way ahead of me already. Blue undertones? What the heck is that? How can I tell if my red has blue undertones?
I took your advice about the subtle fingernail color. Removed the red and got a pearlized pink, and only applied one coat. The plus side of the light color is I don't put it on so well, but you can't tell since it blends with my natural colors. Looks good I must admit. My toenails are still red.
Then I got a pink shimmery lipgloss. The kind that comes with a little sponge applicator on a stick. I've never had one of those before. It looks more stylish and flattering to my skin tone than my existing matte brownish-red lipsticks. Doesn't show the lip wrinkles so much.
I'm girly from head to toe!
Posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 0:05:54
In reply to I rest my case...atleast my vanity... » tabitha, posted by jay on May 22, 2004, at 23:14:17
Posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 0:08:57
In reply to Re: make-up challenged, posted by deirdrehbrt on May 22, 2004, at 20:27:23
At 44 you can't get away with what you could at 24.
>Or even 34. :-(
Posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 0:15:13
In reply to Re: make-up challenged, posted by shadows721 on May 22, 2004, at 20:27:52
Thanks for the tips. Yup, I finally wised up and went with the pinks. I periodically shop for makeup and always go for the reds or browns, then end up not wearing it. I don't like pink as a color, but it does look better with my skin.
My other stumbling point is eyeshadow. Frosty or matte? Powder or creme? I read once that frosts highlight wrinkles, so I don't buy it. I have a little matte white powder, but somehow it isn't quite right. I just use a dab sort of like liner.
Posted by sb417 on May 23, 2004, at 1:59:30
In reply to make-up challenged, posted by tabitha on May 22, 2004, at 18:26:49
Hi Tabitha,
I can't help much regarding the colors, but I can highly recommend a book on buying makeup. It is "DON'T GO TO THE COSMETICS COUNTER WITHOUT ME" by Paula Begoun. I believe it's in its 6 or 7th edition already. Begoun writes a new one each year to keep up with all the new products. She's written several other beauty books, too. You can probably find them on Amazon, but the one I mentioned above is the best.
Posted by sb417 on May 23, 2004, at 2:06:24
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » tabitha, posted by sb417 on May 23, 2004, at 1:59:30
Paula Begoun, author of the book I mentioned in the above post, also has a website. I think it is www.cosmeticscop.com. You can write to her if you have questions about make-up, hair care products, etc.
Posted by jay on May 23, 2004, at 5:24:44
In reply to Re: what case? are you judging? why? (nm) » jay, posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 0:05:54
Tabitha, it's a line from a poem called 'Ceiling Unlimited'..I'll print out the entire thing..
I highlighted the particular text...Ceiling Unlimited
It's not the heat
It's the inhumanity
Plugged into the sweat of a summer street
Machine gun images pass
Like malice through a looking glassThe slackjaw gaze
Of true profanity
Feels more like surrender than defeat
If culture is the curse of the thinking class
If culture is the curse of the thinking classCeiling unlimited
World so wide
Turn and turn againFeeling unlimited
Still unsatisfied
Changes never endThe vacant laugh
Of true insanity
Dressed up in the mask of Tragedy
Programmed for the guts and glands
Of idle minds and idle hands**I rest my case -
Or at least my vanity
Dressed up in the mask of Comedy
If laughter is a straw for a drowning man
If laughter is a straw for a drowning man**Ceiling unlimited
Windows open wide
Look and look againFeeling unlimited
Eyes on the prize
Changes never endWinding like an ancient river
The time is now againHope is like an ancient river
The time is now again
Posted by shadows721 on May 23, 2004, at 8:09:37
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » shar, posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 0:04:34
I like the muted lite pink, because it goes with everything in my wardrobe too. It's a natural color. Even when I get a chip, it doesn't show like that red does either. Fingernail polish on the fingers just doesn't last as it is.
Oh, by the way, I have read Paula Begoun's books. She is good, but I have disagreed with a few items of hers. For example, her foundation brand for combination skin is the worst makeup I have ever tried. That's my opinion. I hated it! I shook it up 50 times and it still look separated and looked orange on my face. Another item, I love Bifacil eye makeup remover by lancome. She isn't crazy for it. I am not crazy for the mascaras that she recommends in lancome line. I loved a lipstick in Avon and she didn't. It was the best matte lipsticks that I have ever tried and I got compliments on it. She didn't like it. She rates all of her own makeup line as great. I didn't like almost all of it. I think I could write my own book.
I stick with matte eyeshadows in the day. I can add shimmer to the brow bone area to highlight, but that's it for a day time look. I prefer to use powder eyeshadows too. The muted tones are the best in eyeshadow. You can get a quick free eyeshadow application education from a makeup lady at a mall. Now, not all the ladies are going to make you up the same. You may not like it at all. You tell them what kind of look you are looking for - natural, dramatic, etc. You can pick out the colors. You don't have to buy anything. You can go back to a drug store and buy a similiar color. Not all browns looks good on everyone. I look sick with rust browns. I tend to look better with a charcoal brown. So, you have to go with colors that look right on you. I find that many makeup ladies will put on me what looks good on them. So, if you find you have a similiar coloring to one of them, that may be your ticket. Don't put on the same color as the eye to bring it out. For example, plum really brings out green in eyes. I don't ever put on eyeshadow with those little applicators. I have a set of brushes. They give a softer more natural look.
Blush is another item where I throw out those applicators. I have a blush brush. Those brushes in the compact to me are useless.
P.S. I think that I put maybelline mascara 2000. It's max factor 2000 mascara that I like.
Posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 16:24:15
In reply to Oh boy...no...'tis from a poem » tabitha, posted by jay on May 23, 2004, at 5:24:44
OK, I'm a little oversensitive lately, but why are you talking about the evils of vanity in my makeup thread? Guess I don't understand. I've got a bajillion books already. I've been grungy boho girl. It's time to find a flattering lipstick color. It's a positive thing-- gaining competence as a grown-up woman. And grown-up women generally wear a bit of makeup. Give me a little support in my effort, OK? Or don't, if you just can't support the search for good makeup, but hearing about 'vanity' makes me think you're criticizing my effort, so it's kinda hurtful when I already feel less than compentent on this topic. Like I said I'm oversensitive lately so I apologize if I'm misreading and seeing criticism where it isn't intended.
Posted by jay on May 23, 2004, at 16:59:29
In reply to Re: Oh boy...no...'tis from a poem » jay, posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 16:24:15
Tabitha..I hear you, and am sorry as I swear I didn't mean to make any accusations. In fact, I completely understand, as I have found when I get REALLY bummed and depressed, I don't shave for a few days. Now, I hate shaving (I think this was in a thread before..:-), but once all done, I feel nice and baby-skin-fresh clean.
Plus, I am one of those guys who goes out and buys the highest priced colognes. I *love* (I mean that!) it when a gal compliments me on how nice I smell.
Just to mention...I take that line to mean that sometimes I act like a bit of a silly idiot (aka comedic..to some..heh) to break the 'tension'. Now....I think it's time I go shave...:-)
Peace,
Jay
Posted by shadows721 on May 23, 2004, at 17:36:40
In reply to Re: Oh boy...no...'tis from a poem » tabitha, posted by jay on May 23, 2004, at 16:59:29
I have been so depressed that I couldn't even use a fork and spoon to eat let alone brush my hair. I just gave up. Some how, I fought back and I started grooming again as I use to do. It really does something for me to smell nice, have fresh clean hair, nails done, clean clothes on and makeup. It makes me feel like a human again. Even though my brain isn't working just right, I look like I am okay. It effects my husband too. He doesn't say anything when I don't bath from depression. However, when I get dressed, he brags and brags, so I know he loves it.
I love to wear colognes that smell like candy and vanilla. I've been told that I smell like a sugar cookie or ice cream.
Posted by shar on May 23, 2004, at 20:06:09
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » shar, posted by tabitha on May 23, 2004, at 0:04:34
Blue undertones are what makes rosy red different from orangy red. Rosy red is generally good for most people (I think), and orangy red only looks good on a few people. Think of a deep red rose; probably that has blue undertones. And, under flourescent lights (like in most women's restrooms and dressing rooms) blue undertones make scars/blemishes/etc. stand out! That's why anything you see under those lights you should not believe!
I agree totally with the more natural color nails, and then the 'application' of the polish doesn't matter quite so much.
I am too old for pinkish lipstick; staying with my brownish red ones. However, Connie Chung reportedly said that you should choose your lipstick to be a color close to the color of your tongue, and presumably that would be a good one for you. I'm not sure about that in terms of overall fashion advice, because she talks a lot so a big difference in tongue/lip color might matter more to her.
That about exhausts my 'girlie' knowledge...I'm glad your toes are still red! Any shade will do!
Shar
Posted by Fallen4MyT on May 23, 2004, at 22:30:45
In reply to make-up challenged, posted by tabitha on May 22, 2004, at 18:26:49
I LOVE make up and nail polish and READ all the fashion mags so please know, red is in BUT ...PINK IS the HOT color this year as is peach on nails...lips DO NOT have to match nails in fact gloss and or natural colors look good on lips if you make your eyes the focus..Buy and wear the GOOD stuff its usually hypo-allergetic and you can wear it longer cause no itchy stuff ..sounds like your allergic to some of what you wear. Lancome, Chanel and the better brands heck even Clinique offer free kits with extra colors and stuff with purchase and you can get a free make over and see what colors look best on you...
Posted by Ilene on May 24, 2004, at 13:27:14
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » tabitha, posted by Fallen4MyT on May 23, 2004, at 22:30:45
Well, I finally had to jump in. I am semi-makeup-challenged. I don't wear too much of it, and now that I am older (50--ouch) it doesn't look the same.
If there's a Sephora in your city you can go there and play with their testers all day. They have hundreds of lipstick colors, and provide makeup remover and alcohol so you won't pick up strep throat or whatever from the previous customer.
I wear shades of orange in lipstick and nail polish (when I wear nail polish). I am very, very fair with hazel green eyes. My hair is brownish now (going gray), but it was dark auburn when I was younger. (BTW, plum eye shadow looks terrible on me. I layer green eye shadow and orangy blush. Sounds strange, but I can't find a green shadow that's not too green, and the orange drabs it down.)
I use the liquid/powder stuff instead of regular foundation. Most of the time I don't wear any. Sometimes I just use loose powder. My skin is extremely oily and I need to wear sunscreen all the time, so my goal is to get rid of the oil. I like the little booklets of powdered papers.
I found "Color Me Beautiful" to have the best color advice for both wardrobe and makeup.
I.
Posted by shadows721 on May 24, 2004, at 16:44:02
In reply to Re: make-up challenged, posted by Ilene on May 24, 2004, at 13:27:14
Hi Ilene,
Are you a spring or an autumn in the color me beautiful? A cool plum wouldn't work for this coloring at all as you mentioned. A plum would need a gold, brown, or green with it for the warm complexion type. It's just like pink's there are warm and cool pinks, so their are warm and cool plum colors too.
Is it that the green is too intense or dark for you coloring? Is that why you go over it with a wash of blush? I don't know if you do this already, but I would start with wash of a neutral color like a hint of beige or taupe all over your eyelid first before applying any color. Meringue in Perscriptives is a good wash color. Since you like your face to look very warm, I would then add a color of gold on your eye lid by Guerlain No.44 single eyeshadow. Then I would apply the green that you are using. The gold could be used as a wash too either before or after the color of green, but I would always start with a eyeshadow base neutral color. How does apricot and bronze colors look on your eyes? Have you tried the olive color in Prescriptives? Since you like the Color me Beautiful, you may find Prescriptives nice too. It is broken down into color families.
Posted by Ilene on May 24, 2004, at 17:23:17
In reply to Re: make-up challenged, posted by shadows721 on May 24, 2004, at 16:44:02
> Hi Ilene,
>
> Are you a spring or an autumn in the color me beautiful? A cool plum wouldn't work for this coloring at all as you mentioned. A plum would need a gold, brown, or green with it for the warm complexion type. It's just like pink's there are warm and cool pinks, so their are warm and cool plum colors too.
>I'm an autumn. Probably as autumn as a person can get.
I'm having a hard time imagining a warm plum.
> Is it that the green is too intense or dark for you coloring? Is that why you go over it with a wash of blush? I don't know if you do this already, but I would start with wash of a neutral color like a hint of beige or taupe all over your eyelid first before applying any color. Meringue in Perscriptives is a good wash color. Since you like your face to look very warm, I would then add a color of gold on your eye lid by Guerlain No.44 single eyeshadow. Then I would apply the green that you are using. The gold could be used as a wash too either before or after the color of green, but I would always start with a eyeshadow base neutral color. How does apricot and bronze colors look on your eyes? Have you tried the olive color in Prescriptives? Since you like the Color me Beautiful, you may find Prescriptives nice too. It is broken down into color families.
>The green I have is just too green. I like the way it looks with the blush. It's more of a warm olive.
I'm sure your recommendations are excellent, but I just don't wear that much make-up. For one thing, I'm not working and I hardly ever "dress". For another thing, at my advanced age, my eyelids are too crepey to wear that much shadow. I apply it just near the lashes.
I'll take a look at Prescriptives next time I'm in a dept. store. I don't shop much these days, either, partly because it's too much trouble to get to a store I like. It'll be easier once I move back to civilization (San Francisco).
I.
Posted by Noa on May 24, 2004, at 19:13:13
In reply to make-up challenged, posted by tabitha on May 22, 2004, at 18:26:49
1. my fingernails hate the feeling of polish.
2. the polish chips within hours of the manicure, sometimes even before I get home.
3. it hardly seems worth it to me anyway because it wears off so fast, it would be very costly to keep me well-manicured.
4. I can tolerate a pedicure much better--it lasts longer (there are, after all a LOT of things that we typically do with our fingers and NOT with our toes!)
5. I find it very hard to wear mascara or eye make up.
6. I feel wierd in lipstick most of the time, so I don't use it except on really special dress up occasions.
7. I've finally found an every day makeup I can live with but it's limited to foudnation and blush. I'd be happier without it but my skin looks a bit splotchy, especially under those awful lights at work. (It's funny--a co-worker of mine always says I look like I'm feeling better on days that I have the make up on!! I don't think she realizes the connection).
8. My feet are very very very unahppy in heels or anything but comfy shoes and I usually try to keep my feet happy. It's those fancy dress up obligations that are the challenge.
Posted by Noa on May 24, 2004, at 19:15:37
In reply to Re: make-up challenged, posted by shadows721 on May 22, 2004, at 20:27:52
Acc. to the stylist on the Today show, PINK is in this spring!! (how's that from a usually fashion/make-up challenged person?)
Posted by shadows721 on May 24, 2004, at 20:05:42
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » shadows721, posted by Ilene on May 24, 2004, at 17:23:17
I am a summer, but I enjoy wearing winter colors. So, I wear both or one or the other. When in situations where I wanted to be remember as in an interview, those summer colors just didn't have the power to me.
I know a warm plum wounds weird, but I have seen them in Lancome line. Some of these look more brown to me, but the make up lady swear they are a plum. Vue, in Lancome comes to mind. They tell me this is a plum. It's look sort of brown. I don't know, but it doesn't look good on me. I can't wear a brown plum, but if I did I would go to Lancome counter. I did buy a blush recently called Comopolitan Pink in Lancome. It looks loud in the compact, but it looks great on me. There's one that's called Apricot Brandy in Blush Subtil that is a true orange. If you ever want a change from the orange blush you are using to another one, this one may catch your eye. It doesn't not take much and it will last for years. My mother is an autumn too. I bought her a green eyeshadow called Montage in the Colour Focus.
If you don't feel like going to mall, you can always go on line to www.lancome.com or www.sephora.com to check out colors, etc.
In talking about different colors, I have a liquid eyeliner by Lancome called IceBlack. It looks like a taupe black on the eye. It really a different color. The color it shows on line on their website isn't truly accurate. It shines sorta taupe color. Also, I have green grey eyeshadow Ombres vibration duo No. 11 by Yves. On one side is a slate medium grey and the other is a grey green. When I put it on, no one can tell what color it really is. I am asked is that grey or green. I say it's both. LOL
Also, you can check out Prescriptives, and a few others at www.gloss.com for more makeup sites. :-)
Posted by partlycloudy on May 24, 2004, at 20:11:05
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » tabitha, posted by shar on May 23, 2004, at 20:06:09
OK - my turn. I definitely have colours that make people say, "you look good" and others where people ask me if I have eaten something that disagreed with me....
I used to have a terrible time with eye shadow getting creased in my eyelids. I have big brown eyes and an expanse between my eyes and eyebrows. If I put too many shades on that area I look tired. Not enough, and I look tired. Just right, and I look like I could part-tay all night. Now that I am aging, my hormonal changes have lessened the oil production and *presto* eye makeup lasts all day. believe me, I tried everything out there, but it was my body that had to change.
Any person at a makeup counter is going to sell you what they have. Lancome, Estee Lauder and Chanel products are divinely made and feel great - but they STILL test their products on animals - completely unnecessary.
So I'm afraid I look at a company's policies first and then look at the products. My favourite is The Body Shop, who did a complete rehash of their makeup line to make it look better (duh!!) while still being environmentally good. I am happy with the products.
Posted by shadows721 on May 24, 2004, at 21:23:02
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » shar, posted by partlycloudy on May 24, 2004, at 20:11:05
The product that I hate the most is the New Cover Girl single eyeshadows. I use to like Cover Girl eyeshadow. I don't know what they did, but all the singles I tried have glitter in them. Even the mattes had a glitter like quality. I would use my eyeshadow brush to put on my eyeshadow and it there would be glitter on my face. They look pretty in the case, but that's about it. No matter what technique I used, I would wind up with a glittery face. I literally would try to put a piece of paper under my eye to catch the glitter. Oh, how I hated that. My husband even noticed it. He thought that I changed makeup when it was the eyeshadow. That's when I said it's time to just throw them away. I have used a lot of brands of eyeshadow and still do, but this one is on my NO list.
Posted by shar on May 24, 2004, at 23:38:52
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » tabitha, posted by Noa on May 24, 2004, at 19:13:13
Heels???? Man, the most I can do is wedge heels. About an inch max. In the olden days (my youth) I could really cut a rug in 3.5 inch heels--and it felt ok!
I have never found a makeup that fit too well with my creases. No matter what it says, it always fills in and makes the crease marks more noticeable. After finding out about LD-50 and Draize tests, I always buy cruelty free products.
Ever since reading a book in which 'pale post-menopausal lips' were mentioned...I always try to put on lipstick.
lol...how we are shape and/or shape ourselves in this world!
Shar
Posted by sb417 on May 25, 2004, at 1:23:41
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » Noa, posted by shar on May 24, 2004, at 23:38:52
Hi Shar,
I found some make-up that doesn't seem to fill in the creases or make them more noticeable. It is Lancome's MAQUICOMPLET (Complete Coverage Concealer). It is available as a wand-type applicator and comes in several colors. The one I get, Porcelain I, is for fair complexions. Lancome is expensive, but I think Maquicomplet is an excellent product and, in this instance at least, you do get what you pay for.
Posted by shar on May 26, 2004, at 21:19:45
In reply to Re: make-up challenged » shar, posted by sb417 on May 25, 2004, at 1:23:41
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