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Posted by m0nger on December 31, 2003, at 1:52:09
Hi, i got redirected over by the admin (BTW, Dr. Bob, thats a MUCH better pic you have up now, the other one you looked like your eyes were rolling back in your head from a seizure! :-D ) cuz of a conspiracy tangent on this thread, http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031225/msgs/294346.html , so figured I'd take the plunge in here, and try to be somewhat social ;)
So who wants to talk about conspiracies? Who really killed JFK? Who was really behind 9/11? was it really Osama's al Quaalude organization? The Israeli Mossad? Or a cabal within the CIA? none of the above? All of the above? Who keeps stealing the socks out our dryers?
Posted by almondjoy on December 31, 2003, at 9:11:39
In reply to The Redirected Conspiracy, Etc., Etc..., posted by m0nger on December 31, 2003, at 1:52:09
jfk....no way was it lee harvey oswald! one shot theory is impossible-prolly the CIA or FBI; our government (not meaning the president and his cabinet, but other men w/ as much power) feel threatened by people with the power to change the social environment positively for the masses
9/11 was prolly the government too (cia or fbi), atleast it wasn't osama, pretty convenient how bush insisted on going to iraq based on this accumulation of fear and hatred for muslims in the "war on terror" and convenient how they can't find him now just like they wouldn't have "found" saddam (who prolly isn't the real saddam) if bush's approval rating didn't need it
hmm...
the black panthers are another example of a force threatening the government by encouraging social change, to weaken the group most of its leaders were sent to jail or assasinated by the cia in the early 70's...
the power elite in our country has a strong hold on many aspects of our lives, some just trickles down, like the fact that bush didn't win the election, recounts were stopped by supreme court decision; appointed judges instead of citizens decided who would be President. as a result the war against terror was created and exaggerated (terrorism always existed since the man of western civilization claimed property) and the job market, economy, and cuts in funding affect everyone
(what else...gremlins make machines not work, and brownies clean or fix stuff in the house...j/k)
i don't think i'm overly paranoid, just conscious, sometimes conspiracy theorist means having a clue
so...
can anyone descibe the freemason thing, what's that all about?d
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 1, 2004, at 17:49:10
In reply to Re: The Redirected Conspiracy, Etc., Etc..., posted by almondjoy on December 31, 2003, at 9:11:39
> jfk....no way was it lee harvey oswald! one shot theory is impossible-prolly the CIA or FBI;
<Yup, I thinks that has some merit.
> 9/11 was prolly the government too (cia or fbi), atleast it wasn't osama, pretty convenient how bush insisted on going to iraq based on this accumulation of fear and hatred for muslims in the "war on terror" and convenient how they can't find him now just like they wouldn't have "found" saddam (who prolly isn't the real saddam) if bush's approval rating didn't need it<I like the thinking in this too.
> the black panthers are another example of a force threatening the government by encouraging social change, to weaken the group most of its leaders were sent to jail or assasinated by the cia in the early 70's...<That was a horrifying time....such good people trying to do good things for their neighborhoods.... just gunned down! There's no question about who killed them.
> the power elite in our country has a strong hold on many aspects of our lives, some just trickles down, like the fact that bush didn't win the election, recounts were stopped by supreme court decision; appointed judges instead of citizens decided who would be President.<wasn't that a rip and why did we all go along with that? If it had been reversed and Gore had a judge put him in office....can you picture the outrage?
> can anyone descibe the freemason thing, what's that all about?< Have you read: "The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown? He touches on the topic of the freemasons. One of the many secret societies that carried information buried in their rituals.
Facinating book. I can't put it down. I have to say it's hard to type this posting with a book in my face. I will get some help from professionals to enable me to put the book down. I promise.
What about the death of Paul Wellstone? Hummm? A little too well timed.
I am somewhat cynical about our government.
thanks for the post, it was fun.
Posted by Angielala on January 5, 2004, at 11:21:16
In reply to The Redirected Conspiracy, Etc., Etc..., posted by m0nger on December 31, 2003, at 1:52:09
I'm a conspiracy junkie too! I'll chat with you!! Do you have any favorite conspiracy websites?
> Hi, i got redirected over by the admin (BTW, Dr. Bob, thats a MUCH better pic you have up now, the other one you looked like your eyes were rolling back in your head from a seizure! :-D ) cuz of a conspiracy tangent on this thread, http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031225/msgs/294346.html , so figured I'd take the plunge in here, and try to be somewhat social ;)
>
> So who wants to talk about conspiracies? Who really killed JFK? Who was really behind 9/11? was it really Osama's al Quaalude organization? The Israeli Mossad? Or a cabal within the CIA? none of the above? All of the above? Who keeps stealing the socks out our dryers?
Posted by Angielala on January 5, 2004, at 12:09:15
In reply to Re: The Redirected Conspiracy, Etc., Etc..., posted by almondjoy on December 31, 2003, at 9:11:39
Lee Harvey was just a scapegoat- he didn't know getting shot by Jack Ruby (aka big time mob affiliate) was going to pretend to be a hero and shoot him...
In a way, I lean towards the government working with the mob.... JFK and RFK both met the same fates- and I believe they were both killed by tge mob, seeing the the black hand mafia from the old Philly days still lingered above JFK's dad's grave...
> jfk....no way was it lee harvey oswald! one shot theory is impossible-prolly the CIA or FBI; our government (not meaning the president and his cabinet, but other men w/ as much power) feel threatened by people with the power to change the social environment positively for the masses
> 9/11 was prolly the government too (cia or fbi), atleast it wasn't osama, pretty convenient how bush insisted on going to iraq based on this accumulation of fear and hatred for muslims in the "war on terror" and convenient how they can't find him now just like they wouldn't have "found" saddam (who prolly isn't the real saddam) if bush's approval rating didn't need it
> hmm...
> the black panthers are another example of a force threatening the government by encouraging social change, to weaken the group most of its leaders were sent to jail or assasinated by the cia in the early 70's...
> the power elite in our country has a strong hold on many aspects of our lives, some just trickles down, like the fact that bush didn't win the election, recounts were stopped by supreme court decision; appointed judges instead of citizens decided who would be President. as a result the war against terror was created and exaggerated (terrorism always existed since the man of western civilization claimed property) and the job market, economy, and cuts in funding affect everyone
> (what else...gremlins make machines not work, and brownies clean or fix stuff in the house...j/k)
> i don't think i'm overly paranoid, just conscious, sometimes conspiracy theorist means having a clue
> so...
> can anyone descibe the freemason thing, what's that all about?
>
> d
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Posted by fachad on January 8, 2004, at 0:20:26
In reply to The Redirected Conspiracy, Etc., Etc..., posted by m0nger on December 31, 2003, at 1:52:09
Well my favorite JFK theory, by far, is the one advanced by J. Shelby Downard in his essay Kill-King/33.
Basically, he posits that the murder of JFK was an "open air" freemasonic dramatic re-enactment of the Killing of the King ritual.
This carefully choreographed drama was designed to "process" us alchemically in an ages old freemasonic mind-control ritual.
Downard warns, "Do not be lulled into believing, that just because the deadening American city of dreadful night is so utterly devoid of mystery, so thoroughly flat-footed, sterile and infantile, so burdened with the illusory gloss of baseball-hot dogs-apple-pie-and-Chevrolet, that it exists outside the psycho-sexual domain. The eternal pagan psychodrama is escalated under these modern conditions precisely because sorcery is not what '20th Century man' can accept as real."
Downard's protégé, Michael A. Hoffman II, opens his mind blowing book "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare" with this assertion:
"The Occult Cryptocracy processes the Group Mind of the masses mainly through psychodrama. The alchemical and Rosicrucian command dogmas were literary works. In the course of receiving the establishment’s reports of Jack the Ripper, Hillside Strangler, Son of Sam, and Unabomber, a mental virus is implanted in many percipients. The hypodermic needle in this case is nothing more startling than a campfire story, only the campfire is the crackling electrical current of a television and the story is of our extinction. The narrative, the plot, the characters, and the symbolism all constitute the imprinting that is one of the highest functions of cere-monial, cereal murder."
Of course in conventional "shrink rap" this would be curtly dismissed as paranoia with grandiose delusions of reference - but no one can deny that it is a breathtaking meta-conspiracy perspective.
LINKS:
The Sorcerer's Apprentices: James Shelby Downard and the Mysteries of Americana
http://www.conspire.com/downard.htmlExcerpt from "KING-KILL/33°
Masonic Symbolism in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy"
http://www.hoffman-info.com/kingkill33.htmlBook Review of "Secret Socities and Psychologial Warfare"
http://www.hackvan.com/pub/stig/anti-govt/konformist--secret-societies-psychological-warfare.htm
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