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Posted by lostsailor on April 2, 2003, at 20:04:23
When three of your favorite poets are Dorothy parker, Anne Sexton and Emile Dickinson…what does it really mean?
FYI, I am sad, but have no ideas of suicide—just thought I’d share something that keeps me a float when things are terrible...
Razors pain you,
Rivers are damp,
Acids stain you,
And drugs cause cramp.Guns aren't lawful,
Nooses give,
Gas smells awful--
You might as well live.Dorothy Parker
Love ya all, ~tony
Posted by Miller on April 2, 2003, at 20:49:59
In reply to re:suicde and why not to do it--my thinking...., posted by lostsailor on April 2, 2003, at 20:04:23
Thank you. I read a book about three suicide survivors. The doctor had followed them for many, many years after their attempts.
There was one lady who doused herself in gas and tried to light herself on fire. She was in a car when it happened. She lived. Horrifying.
The other guy tried to shoot himself and the gun had a hair trigger. The gun went off before it was positioned. The man lived. It destroyed his face. Heartbreaking.
The third and final lady jumped off of a bridge. She broke almost every bone in her body. She did it right outside of an office building with thousands of windows. She lived. Dreadful.
Sometimes it is better to think of the worst that could happen if you fail. Those three people made me think long and hard.
-Miller
Posted by Hollygirl on April 2, 2003, at 21:28:35
In reply to re:suicde and why not to do it--my thinking.... » lostsailor, posted by Miller on April 2, 2003, at 20:49:59
Another thing to think about is how the people you leave behind will feel. Although at times we all feel alone, worthless, and like no one cares, there is always someone whose world would come crashing down if we weren't in it. That's what I tell myself anyway when things get rough...
Posted by Tabitha on April 3, 2003, at 1:58:20
In reply to re:suicde and why not to do it--my thinking...., posted by lostsailor on April 2, 2003, at 20:04:23
here's a book link I posted before.. but it's good. it's about suicide, the process that leads up to it (I never found it described so well anywhere else) then follows several cases of failed attempts. All the people profiled eventually got their lives together.. it's a pretty uplifting book, but doesn't sugar-coat it.. acknowledges the deep pain that drives people to the attempt
Posted by NikkiT2 on April 3, 2003, at 8:57:46
In reply to re:suicde and why not to do it--my thinking...., posted by Tabitha on April 3, 2003, at 1:58:20
I have to say... the only thing that has stopped making a very serious attempt at suicide is the thought of what happens if it doesn;t work and I'm left in pain.
Someone I know took otc pain killers (paracetamol based) and she woke up next morning.. within 2 days she was in severe pain, and it took her 10 days to die.. those 10 days in very extreme pain.Its this that stops me going over the edge.
Nikki
Posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 9:47:32
In reply to re:suicde and why not to do it--my thinking...., posted by NikkiT2 on April 3, 2003, at 8:57:46
I hope my original post did not offend anyone...I have just always liked it and the one time I thought those thoughts, I kept reading that poem and it helped. sorry , if this did bother anyone. Honest.
~tony
Posted by Dinah on April 3, 2003, at 10:03:35
In reply to re to all, posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 9:47:32
Tony, go easy on yourself.
Are you having a rough time right now? Forgive my presumptuousness, but you seem to be in a depressive spiral. Have you talked to your pdoc (I can't recall if you have a therapist) lately? Will you soon?
P.S. You're liked by a lot of people here, you know. Myself included. Challenge those thoughts that say you aren't. They are more likely than not caused by the depression. I can only speak for myself in saying I'm trying to respect your desire to pull back a bit, but it doesn't mean that I don't want to talk to you.
(And if you were kidding in your post below, please forgive me. I'm not terribly good at detecting humor sometimes.)
Posted by Miller on April 3, 2003, at 10:32:20
In reply to re to all, posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 9:47:32
Tony,
I was in no way offended by your post. In fact, I think it is a very valid topic for this board. I was glad to be able to relate and share some of my thoughts.:)
-Miller
Posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 13:11:04
In reply to Re: re to all » lostsailor, posted by Dinah on April 3, 2003, at 10:03:35
You are def right I am not doing very well. Both doc and therapist are aware and doc has doped me up for a bit, so sorry if I've lost my wit. Thank you for you concern. It really means a lot in times like these.
I should be in the hospital now for evaluation, but b/c I have been a social worker in the past and know so many in the field doc lets me do what I call “home hospitalization" which is basically a 'contract" with him that I stay at home like I was in a hospital and call him every day or so until he sees me and “releases” me. I am very lucky to have a doc that trusts me and allows for this unconventional treatment style, as I know how bad hospitals suck from the only time I did feel suicidal and called him for directions as to which to go to, what to pack, ect.
If I were suicidal this would NEVER be allowed but my panic attacks are full force. I am so agoraphobic at the moment I could not leave the house anyways. He knows that I take my life seriously, am 100% med compliant and do the best with the hand I have been dealt.
~tony
Posted by kara lynne on April 3, 2003, at 13:57:14
In reply to Re: re to alldinah, posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 13:11:04
Dear Tony,
I didn't realize you were having such a hard time right now. (Thank you Dinah for your keen sensitivity.) Your support has made a difference in my life, I want you to know that, and you certainly deserve the same coming back your way.I've often wondered about having meetings for agoraphobics, but of course no-one would come! I guess we have to be thankful for this medium as it lets us support each other at least in some capacity. Still it's a little lonely sometimes not having actual, human contact (for me anyway). Anyway, it sounds like you have a good doc and therapist--more than I can say at the moment.
Just wanted to add another voice to the people who are thinking about you...
Posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 15:02:01
In reply to Re: re to alldinah, posted by kara lynne on April 3, 2003, at 13:57:14
Posted by noa on April 3, 2003, at 16:17:05
In reply to re:suicde and why not to do it--my thinking...., posted by lostsailor on April 2, 2003, at 20:04:23
Yes, it is a great poem. What a clever gal she was.
What kept me from acting on the suicidal feelings when I had them was thinking of the effects on other people.
When I felt myself wanting to go ahead anyway was when I really knew I was in trouble. But I didn't. I ended up talking to my therapist about it and was actually glad he read me the riot act about it.
There is another side to come through to--I had many episodes of not believing that, but I am here now looking back, and glad to be able to do so.
Posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 19:57:40
In reply to re:suicde and why not to do it--my thinking...., posted by noa on April 3, 2003, at 16:17:05
what you mentioned was the real feeling behind what would lead me to the poem for anyone interested...hi doc bob,
"Not so deep as a well"
you are a great person noa, you know that!! ~tony
Posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 20:00:45
In reply to re:suicde and why not to do it--noa, posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 19:57:40
"Not So Deep As A well" my copy was printed in 1937 so that's why it might not work...
Posted by Dinah on April 3, 2003, at 22:58:02
In reply to Re: re to alldinah, posted by lostsailor on April 3, 2003, at 13:11:04
Whew. I'm relieved you weren't offended by my presumption.
I'm glad you are in contact with your support team, and that they are fully aware of your situation. I'm impressed with how well you are doing with the hand you've been dealt. :) My therapist used to bring up the hospital occasionally, to my dismay. I finally have worked out an alternate arrangement should the need arise that sounds similar to yours, but with the addition of around the clock company should that be required. I'm glad you have a doctor and therapist who are willing to work with you.
Now please just remember that lots of people here care about you, and that you haven't posted too often or in any way impolitely. And if your depression tries to tell you differently, you just tell it that Dinah said so, and Dinah doesn't lie.
This is the end of the thread.
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