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Posted by tina on February 13, 2003, at 8:26:19
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys...., posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 8:14:43
take time for you. you'll be missed though.
I wish we could just have some peace. In our personal lives, in the world, everywhere.
take care
tina
Posted by beardedlady on February 13, 2003, at 9:09:23
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys...., posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 8:14:43
I am sorry you're uncomfortable. I've been afraid since we went on orange alert, and today it's red.
I don't know why what I said was the last straw for you. I didn't know this was a political debate or that anyone was picking sides or anything like that.
I think we're all afraid, and we deal with it in very different ways.
I hope you find relief. Take care of yourself.
beardy
Posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 9:37:52
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys.... » Dinah, posted by beardedlady on February 13, 2003, at 9:09:23
It wasn't you, Beardy. I'm just tired...
And people seem to have trouble accepting that good decent people can have different opinions about things. And I don't feel up to arguing the point, and I wouldn't feel right not arguing the point.
I don't know what I think about the war, but I don't assume that those who are for attacking Iraq have evil motivations. I think they probably want the same things we all want. I don't think those that are opposed to the war have evil motivations. I think they probably want the same things we all want. The opinions just reflect a difference in ideas on how to get there. Just like most political opinions. No one's the bad guy.
I was mildly opposed to invading Afghanistan, although I saw both sides. But the Afghanistan people don't seem overly upset to be free from Taliban rule. I'm mildly opposed to invading Iraq, although I see both sides. Time will tell what decision was best. Hindsight is 20/20. I don't suppose the Kurds will mind overmuch.
I don't expect anyone here to agree with my largely apolitical stance. And I don't feel up to reading posts demonizing one side or the other, because it makes me sad that people feel they need to do that. I'm guessing that everyone involved is doing what they think is right.
So I'm going for a while until I feel stronger. This board uses emotional energy that I just don't have. Maybe I'll read the Psychology Board.
But it wasn't anything you said.
Posted by beardedlady on February 13, 2003, at 9:45:51
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys.... » beardedlady, posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 9:37:52
I understand what you're saying.
My mother is for the war, and she voted for George Bush. Our politics are at opposite ends of the spectrum. But I am still able to see her as one of the most intelligent, introspective, and thoughtful people I have ever known. She thinks she's right; I think I'm right. But neither of us think any less of each other.
Those who are not able to accept that others have different views are usually people who are insecure in their own views.
I didn't, however, see that here. I just saw people expressing their opinions, not demonizing others for having different ones.
People are not their politics. It's easy for me to love a person with whom I disagree.
I have grown to really care about you, Dinah, and it doesn't matter a bit whether you're left, right, or dead set in the center.
beardy
Posted by dreamerz on February 13, 2003, at 9:49:00
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys.... » beardedlady, posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 9:37:52
Dinah..
I have bad dreams etc about war -can't watch news..so I try and humor myself to escape or I'd flip..things here in london are scary--so i don't delve into serious issues i 'm hiding in a nightmare behind a smiley mask.
Posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 9:58:11
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys.... » Dinah, posted by beardedlady on February 13, 2003, at 9:45:51
> I didn't, however, see that here. I just saw people expressing their opinions, not demonizing others for having different ones.
>
Perhaps you're right, Beardy. I might be remembering past threads. :) But I am tired...> People are not their politics. It's easy for me to love a person with whom I disagree.
>
> I have grown to really care about you, Dinah, and it doesn't matter a bit whether you're left, right, or dead set in the center.
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> beardyThat means a lot, Beardy, thank you. I'm not leaving you know. Just taking a short break. And look how hard it is for me to do even that. :)
Posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 9:58:40
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys...., posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 9:58:11
Posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 10:06:04
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys.... » Dinah, posted by dreamerz on February 13, 2003, at 9:49:00
Dreamer, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that London was under major alert, too. I'm sorry you're scared.
I tend not to get scared about these things. There's nothing really I can do about them. The things that terrify me are the things under my control. And I'm terrified now about work and parents and finances and even health.
Posted by dreamerz on February 13, 2003, at 10:15:43
In reply to Re: I'm goin' guys.... » dreamerz, posted by Dinah on February 13, 2003, at 10:06:04
Please take care of yourself Dinah you are so special .I'm fortunate in many ways--except for health which is my fault...
Lots of folks here love you so don't feel so sad..
sweetheart
Posted by jay on February 13, 2003, at 12:09:33
In reply to Indeed, Gabbi and » shar, posted by beardedlady on February 13, 2003, at 6:55:06
Posted by jay on February 13, 2003, at 12:12:39
In reply to I Agree w/ Beardy indeed! (nm), posted by jay on February 13, 2003, at 12:09:33
Posted by IsoM on February 13, 2003, at 12:13:10
In reply to Re: Terror Attacks!! forgive me I'm Canadian,,but » gabbix2, posted by shar on February 13, 2003, at 1:21:53
Warning!!! If you like Bush & his policies, don't play this.
I'm Canadian & so remove myself from American politics, but I know Jay will really like this:
http://www.fuckitall.com/bsh/
(there's 3 different programs you can open this in - sorry to anyone with snail-pace modem connection...)...and Dr. Bob - I didn't choose the name of the site, they did.
Posted by jay on February 13, 2003, at 12:24:17
In reply to Re: Terror Attacks!! forgive me I'm Canadian,,but, posted by gabbix2 on February 12, 2003, at 23:14:33
> I have a suspicion that George Bush might be purposely trying to frighten people He's stated that Iraq and Al quaeda(sp) are co - conspirators quite recently. Now he's warning about terror attacks from the Al Quada who is dubiously (imo) connected with Iraq.
>
> Frightened people quickly turn to angry people and it could only help to inflame the publics support for an attack Iraq, after all it would be attacking Al quaeda as well.
> It just seems a little "timely" to me, as he hasn't had the amount support he seemed to expect.
>
>
> Agency Panic: Couldn't agree more.
> It sure keeps one's mind off the real terror that is about to be
> > inflicted upon millions of people in Iraq and the Middle East in general.
>
>Yes..I do in some ways wish folks would read more international press , because you will get very different stories outside of N. America. For example, France is *deadset* against ANY U.S. violent use of military intervention,(and even have a very viable, alternative plan) and I think we as humans (and a part of the United Nations) must accept that. There are also millions of Iraqi innocent citizen lives at risk. They don't have B2 bombers and stealth aircraft.
Second, there is no reason to justify this 'war' against Iraq. Even some people in the FBI and CIA can't figure out where this supposed connection between Bin Laden and Iraq is. Even Bin Laden said Hussein is an "infidel"..and hates the guy. So..where is this connection? IMHO..
Jay
Posted by jay on February 13, 2003, at 12:28:56
In reply to State of the Union speech...., posted by IsoM on February 13, 2003, at 12:13:10
Posted by beardedlady on February 13, 2003, at 13:01:17
In reply to Re: Terror Attacks!! forgive me I'm Canadian,,but, posted by jay on February 13, 2003, at 12:24:17
Warning: this post contains a controversial opinion (not my opinion but one that's shared by many in some of my circles). This post does not assume that this information is necessarily true, nor does it assume it's true of French persons. It is not meant to offend but merely to offer a possible explanation for France's unwillingness to support the U.S.
Phew!
The talk among the Jewish community is that France has long been an anti-Semitic country. Some people believe that France is dead-set against war because they know any weapons developed by Arab nations will be used on Israel.
I have a hard time believing this is true, but, considering the U.S. pretty much saved Europe (a little too late, if you ask me), many people think France should rush to support the U.S. I heard similar talk about it on NPR yesterday.
beardy
Posted by gabbix2 on February 13, 2003, at 13:36:52
In reply to State of the Union speech...., posted by IsoM on February 13, 2003, at 12:13:10
Okay in defence of Bush, I have to give him credit, in the past few months he has learned that Africa is a Continent and not a *Country* : )
Now if he would just stop saying Nucular..Really though, I agree with Beardy, Right left Dead center, Good is Good, Dinah, everyone
My biggest wish my happiest thought is that
all of us, could drop these burial shrouds of fear and misery, no more drug riddled tired minds and exhausted bodies. All of us just somewhere warm peaceful, laughing and dancing.
Posted by jodie on February 13, 2003, at 14:11:18
In reply to Preparing for Terror Attacks!!, posted by jodie on February 12, 2003, at 21:43:54
You know what everyone, I am sorry for even starting this darn thread!!!! I am just sick of everything, war talk, not sleeping, being depressed, mixed emotions, this crash I get at the end of the day from my Adderall XR. Please everyone just forget I even brought up this subject. Many people have been feeling down lately (speaking of people here). This is something to just cause more stress. I brought it up becasue I just so happened to watch the news last night and realized how bad the situation is (or is being made out to be). I haven't been in a good mood. I should have just left the stupid subject out of psycho-social-babble. I apologize to all that I upset.
Jodie
Posted by noa on February 13, 2003, at 19:13:07
In reply to Re: what about pets, posted by dreamerz on February 12, 2003, at 23:10:53
Yes, I would think small pets are especially vulnerable. So if you're stocking up on stuff, stock for kitty too.
I just wonder what dog owners will do if we have to hunker down for a few days!
Scratch that--what will *I* do if I have to seal myself into one room--no bathrooms?!?!?! Yikes!!!!
Posted by shar on February 14, 2003, at 0:13:48
In reply to Re: what about pets » dreamerz, posted by noa on February 13, 2003, at 19:13:07
Seal yourself into the bathroom?
Shar
> Scratch that--what will *I* do if I have to seal myself into one room--no bathrooms?!?!?! Yikes!!!!
Posted by jane d on February 14, 2003, at 0:30:59
In reply to Re: Preparing for Terror Attacks!!, posted by jodie on February 13, 2003, at 14:11:18
> You know what everyone, I am sorry for even starting this darn thread!!!! I am just sick of everything, war talk, not sleeping, being depressed, mixed emotions, this crash I get at the end of the day from my Adderall XR. Please everyone just forget I even brought up this subject. Many people have been feeling down lately (speaking of people here). This is something to just cause more stress. I brought it up becasue I just so happened to watch the news last night and realized how bad the situation is (or is being made out to be). I haven't been in a good mood. I should have just left the stupid subject out of psycho-social-babble. I apologize to all that I upset.
>
>
> JodieJodie,
One thing that I've noticed when reading this board is that once you start a thread it belongs to everyone who posts to it and anything can happen. You are not responsible for anyone else's reaction to the thread. For what it's worth I think that most people are upset by what's going on - and that talking about it here is a way to release some stress. And it is the number one topic in the news these days so somebody had to bring it up. Besides it's kind of interesting to get responses from outside the US.
Jane
Posted by jodie on February 14, 2003, at 0:42:47
In reply to Threads go where they will » jodie, posted by jane d on February 14, 2003, at 0:30:59
You are right!!! Thank you, I feel better.
I guess it is interesting to hear others opinions/responses.
Jodie
Posted by Ritch on February 14, 2003, at 9:35:09
In reply to State of the Union speech...., posted by IsoM on February 13, 2003, at 12:13:10
> Warning!!! If you like Bush & his policies, don't play this.
>
> I'm Canadian & so remove myself from American politics, but I know Jay will really like this:
> http://www.fuckitall.com/bsh/
> (there's 3 different programs you can open this in - sorry to anyone with snail-pace modem connection...)
>
> ...and Dr. Bob - I didn't choose the name of the site, they did.
Hi, I heard Robin Williams mention that name as a hypothetical new antidepressant!My thoughts about French and German resistance to "supporting" our war: They feel that GB has likely handled the whole thing with poor judgement and they don't want to be in our camp when the results of what we are planning to do go sour (which in their minds has a high probability of ocurring). Their politics are far more to the left of this administration's thinking about a range of topics, and continental Europe is starting to get tired of following us blindly (with NATO), and wants to assume a more prominent role in policy-making. They are seeing the "terrorist threat" as a much less serious real threat to them (as opposed to the former Soviet bloc). They may be viewing much of this as a "made for TV" crisis that in the end is doing nothing but helping to re-elect GB and they aren't going to get any benefit as a result.
Posted by IsoM on February 14, 2003, at 11:38:06
In reply to Re: State of the Union speech.... » IsoM, posted by Ritch on February 14, 2003, at 9:35:09
I really am apolitical - there's not one political agenda out there that's not inherently self-centred AND very selfish too.
Besides the humour in the altered state of the union speech, I posted the link for another reason too. If a kid can make an altered speech (which is obvious - it's not done that well) saying something Bush didn't say, then how hard is it to alter any one else's word on tape or video when done by experts? I think more & more people are coming to understand how easy it is to manipulate the words coming from the "enemy camp".
Posted by wendy b. on February 14, 2003, at 12:20:46
In reply to Re: State of the Union speech.... » Ritch, posted by IsoM on February 14, 2003, at 11:38:06
In response to a previous post, France's purported anti-semitism is a smokescreen issue. The Resistance movement in France during the war is legendary, and France had and still has a large Jewish population. There are anti-Semites in every country on earth; the French don't have a corner on the market...
I'm not apolitical, never have been, never will be. I think fairness and decency should be the ideals we live by. Calling a spade a spade is ok, *really.* There is a world of difference between the French ambassador's speech today at the United Nations (we have not given enough time for the inspectors to do their work, Saddam is belligerent, yes, however, there have been *no* discoveries of weapons of mass destruction according to Hans Blick, let's enter into a war *only* if there is irrefutable evidence that Iraq is not complying), and the current headline about Bush saying, we will win decisively, we will win completely, etc., blah blah blah. Even after so many countries have said today at the U.N. that it is ill-advised to do so.
However, Israel can have all the weapons of mass destruction it wants, supplied in large part by the U.S. Hardly anyone brings this up in any of these debates... But Bush and his war-mongers keep maintaining Iraq cannot be allowed to do the same thing Israel has done for decades... How much instability does *that* account for in the Middle East? The U.N. and every other civilized country (except ours) agrees to a Palestinian homeland, but Israel will never agree. It amasses arms and nuclear warheads, continues to settle lands that were specifically designated as Palestinian areas, and where is the outcry against these policies? Why is Israel permitted by the world community to point weapons at Palestinian lands, kill thousands of innocent people, try to kill Arafat in his own headquarters, etc. etc?
I am opposed to any country's having these weapons, and I am opposed to war of any kind. Peaceful resolutions are the hallmark of a civilized society, this is what the U.N. is all about... The U.S. wants to pick and choose which resolutions to adhere to, and which they will simply ignore or openly defy. The inspections should be allowed to continue, and I believe (as do millions of others around the globe) we still have a long way to go before any attack would be justified.
Peace and love, not war,
singing peace songs this weekend,Wendy
Posted by beardedlady on February 14, 2003, at 13:18:41
In reply to Re: France, Israel, etc., posted by wendy b. on February 14, 2003, at 12:20:46
> In response to a previous post, France's purported anti-semitism is a smokescreen issue. The Resistance movement in France during the war is legendary, and France had and still has a large Jewish population. There are anti-Semites in every country on earth; the French don't have a corner on the market...
It was my post you are responding to (just in case you don't remember). But that's the closest you've come to acknowledging my existence in months!
As I said, although I've heard others bandy anti-Semitism about as a reason for France's refusal to join the U.S. , I don't buy it.
I think the fact that it's a bad idea has more to do with it.
As far as Israel goes, I have heard it debated often--even on major network news. But yesterday's Diane Rehm show on NPR spent a major portion of an hour on the topic of Israel's weapons.
I guess when you're allied with a SuperDuperPower, your missiles are allowed to reach well beyond 90 miles.
beardy
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