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Posted by Ron Hill on May 21, 2002, at 10:52:21
In reply to Lou's answer to Krazy Kat (more) » Krazy Kat, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 7:09:12
>The Rider on the White Horse is not Christiandom's "Jesus".
--------------------If you deny Me before men, I will deny you before My Father.
-- Ron
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:17:53
In reply to Re: Lou's answer to Krazy Kat (more) » Lou Pilder, posted by Ron Hill on May 21, 2002, at 10:52:21
Ron ,
You quoted , "If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father." Many times people have asked me if I "believe in Jesus". My answer is always, "Which one?" The Jesus of the Spainish Inquesition? The Jesus of Nazi Germany? The Jesus of the slave owners in colonial America? The Jesus that says that all Jews are going to Hell because they are Jewish and have not believed on Him? The Jesus that legislated segregation in this country? The jesus that men are killing others in Ireland about? The Jesus that the churches say that if you don't join my church you are from the devil? The jesus that says that he came invisibly in 1914? The jesus that says that there are special books that there denomination only has? The jesus that says that the US and Britian are the lost tribes of Isreal and thearfor they are the true jews that all of the promises go to? The jesus that says that only white people are "saved" because Noah was white? The jesus that says that all catholics are from the devil because they have a pope? The jesus that says that all protostants are from the devil because they do not have a pope?
When He said that sentance that you quoted, He meant that the people who live their lives in denial of God, that just because they belonged to a church ,or what, that their membership was not enough for entrance into the Kingdom of God. They could still deny God's existance by living a life of darkness which is the denial. The denial is the life of the person if it is in darkness, and the affirmation of Him is a life of light. A life that shines in the darkness. For He said, "You are the light of the world".
Lou
Posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:21:14
In reply to Re: Lou's answer to Ron Hill » Ron Hill, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:17:53
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:28:01
In reply to you forgot the Jesus that panhandles for change... (nm), posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:21:14
Kid-A,
Thank you for joining this discussion. You always have a good contribution to thse posts. Could you give us any more "jesuses?"
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:29:57
In reply to Re: you forgot the Jesus that panhandles for change... » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:28:01
xxx
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 11:33:12
In reply to link inside: this guy might not be Jesus but..., posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:29:57
oh, man, kid, you are so funny...
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 11:42:25
In reply to Re: Lou's answer to Ron Hill » Ron Hill, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:17:53
both ways. One either believes Jesus is the son of God, or one doesn't. One either follows the teachings of the New Testament, or one doesn't.
Actually, the only criteria for getting into Heaven is John 3:16. That's very clear.
If a Jew, Catholic, Born Againer, Alien follows that scripture, then they're in.
Remember, the point of Christ's appearance here on earth, his subsequent death and resurrection, was to offer redemption for humans, and to re-establish God's law (so, for example, the Old Testament teachings would take second place to the New Testament).
I can get all sorts of info about this from the Bible, if you'd like. I find it fascinating still, even though I am no longer a Christian.
But what you explain Lou, is directly from the New Testament, 'Revelations' to be exact, and therefore falls under the "philosophy" of Christiandom.
Posted by christophrejmc on May 21, 2002, at 14:01:41
In reply to Re: you forgot the Jesus that panhandles for change... » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:28:01
This Jesus is a bit old, but still a classic: http://www.jesus.com/bathe/
Posted by Analine on May 21, 2002, at 17:55:44
In reply to Re: benzodiazepines get thee behind me... » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 21:13:41
take a few minuets to key in a Google search and read:
> Xanax-A Voyage Into The Twilight Zone.
I was always told to be wary of writings with no references :0
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 7:12:58
In reply to link inside: this guy might not be Jesus but..., posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:29:57
Kid _A,
I am dismayed at your post that asks others to look at a link that is from an anti-Semitic web site. I have tried to find some merit in it, but I can not do so. Now I believe in freedom of speech, but I also do not believe that someone can yell,"fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire.
Could you tell the reason why you asked others to look at the link of the anti-Semitic politition?
Further, it is a common understanding on these boards that when a someone posts a link that they endorse what is being perported in that link unless a disclaimer is given. Now I do not believe that you endorse what Mr. Crow writes in his web site. But I need for you to make a new post with your disclaimer or else it can be deduced that you support Mr. Crow's hatred toward the Jewish people, which, of course, means you have hatred toward me.
Your cooperation in responding to my request will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 8:14:32
In reply to Re: link inside: this guy might not be Jesus but... » kid_A, posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 11:33:12
Krazy Kat,
I have read your post that you say that Kid_A is "so funny' in regards to his posting of a link to an anti-Semitic web site.
Could you explain why you think that it is "so funny"? It is not funny to me that the link portrys jews as "crucifiers of christ". That phrase has been used for 2000 years to foster hatred toward the jews.
Lou
Posted by Alii on May 22, 2002, at 8:42:48
In reply to A request from Lou to Kid_A. » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 7:12:58
> Kid _A,
> I am dismayed at your post that asks others to look at a link that is from an anti-Semitic web site. I have tried to find some merit in it, but I can not do so. Now I believe in freedom of speech, but I also do not believe that someone can yell,"fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire.
> Could you tell the reason why you asked others to look at the link of the anti-Semitic politition?
> Further, it is a common understanding on these boards that when a someone posts a link that they endorse what is being perported in that link unless a disclaimer is given. Now I do not believe that you endorse what Mr. Crow writes in his web site. But I need for you to make a new post with your disclaimer or else it can be deduced that you support Mr. Crow's hatred toward the Jewish people, which, of course, means you have hatred toward me.
> Your cooperation in responding to my request will be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Lou>>>Further, it is a common understanding on these boards that when a someone posts a link that they endorse what is being perported in that link unless a disclaimer is given.<<<<<
I didn't hold this understanding before nor do I now Lou....
--- The incredibly common Alii
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 8:45:01
In reply to i don't think you can have it... » Lou Pilder, posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 11:42:25
Krazy Kat,
Could you clarify how you interpret John 3:16 in regards to your stating that is "The only criteria for getting into heaven"?
Could you clarify what "believe " means to you in that passage? "believe" could have diffeent meanings and I would like to know what your meaning would be so that I can understand your posts better.
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 8:49:36
In reply to link inside: this guy might not be Jesus but..., posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:29:57
When I first saw this, I thought it was another David Icke--just a lunatic conspiracy theorist. And maybe Icke is an anti-Semite, too; I can't read that crap closely.
I am sure that KidA doesn't condone this guy's tactics and share his beliefs. He probably just thought it was funny, in a lunatic-fringe way.
But if you actually read what he's saying, it does all boil down to the same old "Blame the Jews" propaganda.
The irony of it all is that because we are a religion/group that values education, and because we were among the first peoples to make businesses (because we could; we taught ourselves how to add and subtract!), we are blamed for all the world's economic and political woes. But we were also among the first to extend credit and put things "on account" for folks who couldn't pay. In the ghettos, the Jewish merchant extended credit to the poorest of the poor, often with no expectations of being paid. Yet those who took advantage of him called him a thief, accusing him of raising his prices or selling poor merchandise.
We are forever someone's scapegoat. It will never change. And though we are not all Zionists, and we do not all condone the acts of some Israelis, we are still one big devil in the eyes of the racist.
I hope folks will give more thought about the links they include. And I'm sorry your feelings were hurt, Lou.
beardy : )>
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 8:54:05
In reply to Lou's right. Lou's right? Yeah., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 8:49:36
Beardedlady,
The overiding purpose of my post is for support and education. I believe in freedom of speech, for out of the post in question came your wonderfull response.
Lou
Posted by wendy b. on May 22, 2002, at 9:16:56
In reply to A request from Lou to Krazy Kat » Krazy Kat, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 8:14:32
Dear Lou,
KK may not answer you, because she seems to be the brunt of things when someone posts something so obviously ridiculous and so out-of-line that it's funny, that when she says so, she's the one to blame. For another instance of this, see my comments on swearing on PBA, and her cyber-laughing at them, and then someone taking offense at her laughing. In fact, Lou, I think you found my post offensive, and said so. Which is your right. But it is also KK's right to laugh whenever she gosh-darn-well pleases!
Kid_A's post WAS funny, and I get to say that, too. And you don't have to agree that Kid's meaning was absolutely tongue-in-cheek. But it was.
Everybody's dander is so UP sometimes...
Wendy
> Krazy Kat,
> I have read your post that you say that Kid_A is "so funny' in regards to his posting of a link to an anti-Semitic web site.
> Could you explain why you think that it is "so funny"? It is not funny to me that the link portrys jews as "crucifiers of christ". That phrase has been used for 2000 years to foster hatred toward the jews.
> Lou
Posted by wendy b. on May 22, 2002, at 9:21:31
In reply to Lou's right. Lou's right? Yeah., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 8:49:36
Beardy:
I understand how you might feel what you do. But Kid's meaning was obviously not to offend, he's one of the kindest and most non-threatening posters on here... Hope you understand what I'm trying to say to Lou above. I know what you're saying about scapegoating, etc., but I think every cultural or cultural-religious group feels that to some extent (except maybe white anglo protestants). As an italian-american I have felt ostracized and ethnicized.
I don't think Kid would ever wish to offend, is all.
very sincerely,
Wendy> When I first saw this, I thought it was another David Icke--just a lunatic conspiracy theorist. And maybe Icke is an anti-Semite, too; I can't read that crap closely.
>
> I am sure that KidA doesn't condone this guy's tactics and share his beliefs. He probably just thought it was funny, in a lunatic-fringe way.
>
> But if you actually read what he's saying, it does all boil down to the same old "Blame the Jews" propaganda.
>
> The irony of it all is that because we are a religion/group that values education, and because we were among the first peoples to make businesses (because we could; we taught ourselves how to add and subtract!), we are blamed for all the world's economic and political woes. But we were also among the first to extend credit and put things "on account" for folks who couldn't pay. In the ghettos, the Jewish merchant extended credit to the poorest of the poor, often with no expectations of being paid. Yet those who took advantage of him called him a thief, accusing him of raising his prices or selling poor merchandise.
>
> We are forever someone's scapegoat. It will never change. And though we are not all Zionists, and we do not all condone the acts of some Israelis, we are still one big devil in the eyes of the racist.
>
> I hope folks will give more thought about the links they include. And I'm sorry your feelings were hurt, Lou.
>
> beardy : )>
Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:08:27
In reply to Re: Lou's right. Lou's right? Yeah. » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by wendy b. on May 22, 2002, at 9:21:31
thanks for the support wendy. yeah, i'm not sure why i get into so much trouble. i guess i didn't read through that link well enough, but i'll stand behind kid_a if for some reason i have to choose sides, though that's obviously silly. he absolutely would not have posted that to offend.
i come from a political family and my husband has been knee deep in politics. i glanced at the site and saw it from a political-humor point of view. the absurdity was all i saw.
you kind of hurt my feelings, lou, for not asking me what my comment meant. why so quick to assume i found the "anti-semitism" funny? i didn't even see it.
Christ was Jewish so of course the Jews did not kill him. Jew are the chosen people... yadda, yadda.
i don't know why i'm even defending myself. i am not a racist nor an anti-semite. i find cultural and racial differences to be exhilarating and fascinating. a gentrified world would be horrible.
i'm tired of your posts now, lou. i have tried to reach out to you and this is the slap on the wrist i get.
and my statement above re: John 3:16 is as simple as it gets. take it literally. believe = "to have no doubt" in my opinion.
and so ends my part in the search for the crowns that sit on the gate that surround the white horse that ate the last pie that fell from the sky before the soldiers came marching in.
:(
- kk
p.s. chistophre's post was Extremely offensive to me but i knew better than to express that. it's unnecessary.
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:12:38
In reply to Re: Lou's right. Lou's right? Yeah. » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by wendy b. on May 22, 2002, at 9:21:31
I know he didn't mean to offend. I'm just wondering if he actually read the parts where it becomes nasty instead of just goofy. Sometimes we skim something without really catching the whole meaning of it, which is what I did when I first saw the site. And I thought it was funny, too, at first.
(And I thought your swearing post was funny, too, knowing you meant no ill will for Phil.)
I wish we could just leave religion out of this place, but it is often someone's reason for living, so we can't quite do that. But if we must be sensitive when we write (I got a PBC for calling someone's rude post rude!), then we must be sensitive when we link, right?
So all's I'm saying is: Give pizza chants.
beardy : )>
Posted by SandraDee on May 22, 2002, at 10:21:33
In reply to Well, yes, I said that in my post. » wendy b., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:12:38
Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:27:00
In reply to Well, yes, I said that in my post. » wendy b., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:12:38
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:40:13
In reply to visualize whirled peas... :) (nm) » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:27:00
Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:48:39
In reply to my favorite, whirled peas! (nm) » krazy kat, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:40:13
with, of course, a picture of a mackerel.
'the more people i meet the more i like my dog' - my rebellious bumper sticker when i was 16. :)
Posted by Dinah1 on May 22, 2002, at 12:11:29
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 16:33:37
I don't know what to say, except that I admire the effort you are using to remain civil. You are obviously living up to your ideals, and trying to abide by the rules of this board. I am sorry that you were hurt by any posts here. I agree that kid a was probably not aware of the anti-semitic nature of the site and meant no disrespect to the Jewish faith. I didn't access it myself because I take religion rather seriously, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. and didn't wish to be offended.
Anyway, I just wanted to offer you some support, Lou. I really don't know what else to say.
Best wishes,
Dinah
Posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 14:16:50
In reply to 'expect a mackerel' » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:48:39
Okay, first, I dont think I need to defend my posting of this link, but I would like to clarify that not only do I not have an anti-semitic bone in my body, but my close relatives are in fact, Jewish.I also do not feel that I need to make an appology concerning this link nor satisfy someones overactive imagination by making a stand as to weather or not I endorse the website I posted. If you are at all familiar with my posting, I would never, under any circumstances attempt to hurt someones feelings or cause someone emotional stress with any message that I post... I may joke around at times, but it is not meant to hurt...
I think it's pretty obvious that the person who fashioned this site is not only a nut-job, (if you couldnt tell by the spasmotic use of 100 million differnt fonts and colors then...), but that he has nothing at all redeeming to say.
I don't have the time or energy to sift through the entire contents of every wacko's website that for some reason out of humor I may post. Odds are that even if I had noticed the anti-semitism I still would have posted it, simply due to the fact that THE SITE MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.
I'm not posting any diatribe by David Duke, and It's obvious that my intention is not to rile anyone up, or hurt anyones feelings, and I am honestly sorry if I have.
If we want to make a start at fostering an environment on this site for mutual support lets start and remove repeated religiously dogmatic posts from the site entirely. Im sorry to say this Lou, but I'm persoanlly sick and tired of all the Gates, the Horsemen, the Crowns, and whatever logic you construe as your personal twist of saving grace. I respect your right to your oppinion, I RESPECT your QUIZES... I respect your right to post to this forum, but I feel a great deal of your posts revolve around your own personal religious beliefs that are distracting from the original intention of this board: mutual support for those with psychological ailments. I know you may think that you have the answer to everyones problem, but perhaps you dont. Perhaps a better solution would be to offer your email address and interested parties could contact you for future information.
I'm sorry If I've offended you in any way, truly, but that is how I feel.
I'm also sorry If anything I've posted has offended anyone in anyway, but I still stand by my right to post TOTALLY INSANE CONTENT.
Anyone who uses dollar signs as some form of alphabetic substitute is obviously not playing with a full deck...
that is all.
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