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Posted by Willow on May 10, 2002, at 16:21:14
In reply to Quiz: Most Meaningless Art(Movement)..... Ever!!!, posted by kid_A on May 10, 2002, at 13:46:48
Posted by kid_A on May 10, 2002, at 17:21:02
In reply to Can we change it to our favourites? (nm) » kid_A, posted by Willow on May 10, 2002, at 16:21:14
Posted by JohnX2 on May 10, 2002, at 19:08:00
In reply to Quiz: Most Meaningless Art(Movement)..... Ever!!!, posted by kid_A on May 10, 2002, at 13:46:48
I like this scene in the movie "L.A. Story" where Steve Martin is
analyzing a painting in an art museum. He goes on for quite
a while and then you get a shot of the painting. A
great chuckle.Anyone see that?
John
Posted by tina on May 10, 2002, at 20:21:41
In reply to Re: Quiz: Most Meaningless Art(Movement)..... Ever!!!, posted by JohnX2 on May 10, 2002, at 19:08:00
The art gallery in my city paid a sickening amount of money (7+ million)for a 20 foot tall painting of 2 blue stripes with a red one down the middle. Now THAT'S sad...........oh no, excuse me,,,,,that's ART! Jeezzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by CtrlAlt n Del on May 10, 2002, at 20:36:27
In reply to Re: Quiz: Voice of Fire Heard of it?, posted by tina on May 10, 2002, at 20:21:41
and where is it ...I'm serious......
Posted by kid_A on May 11, 2002, at 0:24:09
In reply to what's name of the gallery Tina~sweet ? » tina, posted by CtrlAlt n Del on May 10, 2002, at 20:36:27
Posted by kid_A on May 11, 2002, at 0:30:28
In reply to aRT iS tHE oPIATE oF tHE pE0PLE.... (nm), posted by kid_A on May 11, 2002, at 0:24:09
Posted by beardedlady on May 11, 2002, at 4:21:02
In reply to I AM BECOME DEATH, SHATTERER OF WORLDS (nm), posted by kid_A on May 11, 2002, at 0:30:28
a reflection of the masses. Some of it's insipid, stupid, lazy, ugly, and beautiful.
Anyway, I vote for Kinkaid and the kids with the big eyes. But you're missing my number one vote: Mark Rothko.
beardy : )>
Posted by kid_A on May 11, 2002, at 6:01:31
In reply to Actually, religion is the opiate. Art is... » kid_A, posted by beardedlady on May 11, 2002, at 4:21:02
i know, i was just shamelessly ripping off someone elses words for my own whimsical purposes...mark rothko...? i love mark rothko...
Posted by beardedlady on May 11, 2002, at 6:40:10
In reply to Re: Actually, religion is the opiate. Art is... » beardedlady, posted by kid_A on May 11, 2002, at 6:01:31
Posted by JohnX2 on May 11, 2002, at 17:40:33
In reply to MR: proof that beauty is in the beholder's eye! (nm) » kid_A, posted by beardedlady on May 11, 2002, at 6:40:10
Posted by wendy b. on May 13, 2002, at 12:17:47
In reply to Re: Actually, religion is the opiate. Art is... » beardedlady, posted by kid_A on May 11, 2002, at 6:01:31
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> i know, i was just shamelessly ripping off someone elses words for my own whimsical purposes...
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> mark rothko...? i love mark rothko...
I'll second that! Kid, have you ever been to the states? Texas as a whole aside - Bush's state, snobs about bar-b-que - Houston has a Rothko Chapel:http://www.menil.org/rothko.html
I'm no religious person, but going there and sitting in that environment Rothko created was as close as I've come to Nirvana in my life, except maybe holding my daughter in my arms for the first time...
My mother took us to the Albright-Knox in Buffalo, a haven for Abstract Expressionism, when we were very young, I remember being there as a 4-yr old, so that movement has a special place in my heart, I will always love those paintings. I speak from my little position as a degreed- art historian, and filmmaker.
http://www.albrightknox.org/index.html
That museum has the "greatest hits" of abstraction expressionism, and a lot of other marvelous art...
Anyway, I would agree with the Bearded One that the Kincaid and the big-eyed children are the worst offenders posing as "art" (whatever that is). They bother me immensely! The anti-christ! Also the black-velvet paintings, whether or not they are of Elvis...
love your thread, hope you are feeling well, you sound good,
Wendy
Posted by beardedlady on May 13, 2002, at 12:31:22
In reply to Re: Art is... » kid_A, posted by wendy b. on May 13, 2002, at 12:17:47
Just curious. Wondering if you were an Elton John fanatic when you were a kid.
Posted by wendy b. on May 13, 2002, at 12:48:06
In reply to Hmmm...where were you born? » wendy b., posted by beardedlady on May 13, 2002, at 12:31:22
> Just curious. Wondering if you were an Elton John fanatic when you were a kid.
Before I answer, will you tell me why you asked those two particular questions?? Just curious...Sorry about your recent colonic experiences. Any word back yet on what they saw? My question, as always, is: what kind of person is it who becomes an doctor who looks up people's rectums and takes pictures? And I wonder what personality traits they have in common. I can understand general medicine and OB/GYN and maybe even sometimes dermatology, but proctologist (or whatever they call them)?
many regards, and well-wishes,
Wendy
Posted by beardedlady on May 13, 2002, at 12:57:35
In reply to Re: Hmmm...where were you born?, posted by wendy b. on May 13, 2002, at 12:48:06
Wendy:
I suppose I understand GI docs more than OB/GYNs, whose job it always is to look in vaginas. GI doctors don't always do butts--they look down the throat, too. But, yes, it's a strange choice. I could do that one easier than I could podiatry.
It's curious that you need to know why before you answer, but I suppose many kids were Elton John fans. Truth is, I knew someone with your name and last initial who was a huge fan of Elton John and, later, the Runaways. We were close friends until about tenth grade. She also did video work when she grew up. If it's you, it's our secret. But then, you'll know who I am, too. I suppose it's like two priests spying each other at the strip club. (What are YOU doing here? No, what are YOU doing here? I'm doing RESEARCH. Oh, ME TOO.)
beardy : )>
Posted by wendy b. on May 13, 2002, at 16:50:07
In reply to GI Joes, posted by beardedlady on May 13, 2002, at 12:57:35
> Wendy:
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> I suppose I understand GI docs more than OB/GYNs, whose job it always is to look in vaginas. GI doctors don't always do butts--they look down the throat, too. But, yes, it's a strange choice. I could do that one easier than I could podiatry.
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> It's curious that you need to know why before you answer, but I suppose many kids were Elton John fans. Truth is, I knew someone with your name and last initial who was a huge fan of Elton John and, later, the Runaways. We were close friends until about tenth grade. She also did video work when she grew up. If it's you, it's our secret. But then, you'll know who I am, too. I suppose it's like two priests spying each other at the strip club. (What are YOU doing here? No, what are YOU doing here? I'm doing RESEARCH. Oh, ME TOO.)
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> beardy : )>
Hi Beardy:OK, I'm feeling better, reassured. It would've been fine for us to have known each other in another life, but I don't think I'm the person... I was born in Buffalo, and I DID indeed love Elton John and knew every word to the the "Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy" albumn, but I didn't go on to do video... nor into the Runaways, at least not as much as some.
But maybe we did know each other anyway, in another realm. You do seem to be a familiar-type to me... Anyway, off to group therapy! yea!
the Wendy
Posted by Ritch on May 13, 2002, at 23:18:08
In reply to GI Joes, posted by beardedlady on May 13, 2002, at 12:57:35
Hi Beardy,
I couldn't overlook that subject without responding. I remember those plastic GI Joe toys back in the 60's. I think it was the same plastic that the "Hot Wheels" race tracks were made of. Anyhow, me and my cousins found that if you light their heads they drip really neato flames (Ok-this is 8 year old stuff here). So, there was a lot of entertainment value with watching the dripping flames whooshing down with the black smoke reeling off of them. Hey, nothing political-we were just having fun.
Mitch
Posted by tina on May 14, 2002, at 13:27:01
In reply to what's name of the gallery Tina~sweet ? » tina, posted by CtrlAlt n Del on May 10, 2002, at 20:36:27
National Gallery of Canada in Ottawa, Ontario
Posted by kid_A on May 14, 2002, at 18:13:12
In reply to Re: Art is... » kid_A, posted by wendy b. on May 13, 2002, at 12:17:47
> I'll second that! Kid, have you ever been to the states? Texas as a whole aside - Bush's state, snobs about bar-b-que - Houston has a Rothko Chapel:i live in florida so of course im stateside. texas makes me sad, so i may never go there, or i may move there, depending on my sadistic mood...
i have been to the tate modern museum in southwark london... and asides from a few small rothko's they had a huge room dedicated to him, i mean the pieces were just awe ispiring, i sat in there i think for a good part of an hour, just overtaken by the huge vastness of merging colours...
as for my own personal well being, i hide my misery well...
Posted by wendy b. on May 16, 2002, at 14:44:23
In reply to Re: Art is... » wendy b., posted by kid_A on May 14, 2002, at 18:13:12
Sorry, Kid, I thought you were in England? Why did I think that? And what the hell is the Poet Laureate of PsychoBabble doing in effin' Florida?
I understand the Texas thing, right now I doubt I will ever go back there. I wish our girl were still there in Austin, but she ain't, and I hope those feelings of loss start healing. She was a good friend...
Rothko at the Tate Modern? Cool. Yeah, I sat there, mesmerized, looking at the walls of the chapel. You start looking at paint as PAINT. You see surfaces you never knew were there, nuances of light and shadow, caused only by a certain way that he held the brush or the particular hue he created. Gets my vote...
Off to the local cooperative market to do my stint as a worker... gets me 15% off my groceries...
a hug to you,
xxxoooWendy
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> > I'll second that! Kid, have you ever been to the states? Texas as a whole aside - Bush's state, snobs about bar-b-que - Houston has a Rothko Chapel:
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> i live in florida so of course im stateside. texas makes me sad, so i may never go there, or i may move there, depending on my sadistic mood...
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> i have been to the tate modern museum in southwark london... and asides from a few small rothko's they had a huge room dedicated to him, i mean the pieces were just awe ispiring, i sat in there i think for a good part of an hour, just overtaken by the huge vastness of merging colours...
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> as for my own personal well being, i hide my misery well...
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 16, 2002, at 16:46:52
In reply to Re: Art is... » kid_A, posted by wendy b. on May 16, 2002, at 14:44:23
on another square on some canvas?!
beardy : )>
P.S. Yes, I actually know his other work was quite good, but I resent him for the stupid abstract squares. To me, it's the Emperor's New Clothes.
Posted by kid_A on May 16, 2002, at 20:34:57
In reply to How do you see all this from a square..., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 16, 2002, at 16:46:52
at first it was a pseudo abstract representation of lanscape, ground and sky, but then it became a more abstract work that delt with the subtle merger of color in a more sublime environment...just my 2 cents...
Posted by wendy b. on May 16, 2002, at 23:36:09
In reply to How do you see all this from a square..., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 16, 2002, at 16:46:52
... what I see?
I'm going to try to have the last word, since I'm the art historian!
Why call something stupid if you don't understand it, by your own admission? You may think 'Emperor's New Clothes' at a Rothko, but my aesthetic might say 'genius.' Who's 'right'? I'm sure you know enough about literature to be able to understand and appreciate a writer who works not only with plot, narrative, and characterization, but also with the language itself. And that playing with language is a large part of the beauty of the work. I'm saying the same thing about Rothko, but he uses another medium.
Not wishing to get into an argument over aesthetics, ba-deep, ba-deep, ba-deep, that's all folks --
best wishes,
Wendy
> on another square on some canvas?!
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> beardy : )>
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> P.S. Yes, I actually know his other work was quite good, but I resent him for the stupid abstract squares. To me, it's the Emperor's New Clothes.
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 17, 2002, at 5:53:37
In reply to Re: how don't you see..., posted by wendy b. on May 16, 2002, at 23:36:09
Wendy:
Please don't think I was calling YOU stupid for liking Rothko. I certainly wasn't. Granted, stupid may have been the wrong word, but I didn't use it because I don't understand what he was trying to do. I just don't agree with his translation.
I have an MA in writing and am a published poet and articles writer. Does this make me more "right" about my love of Frank O'Hara and my dislike of Gary Snyder, especially since I may (and who knows if I do?) have a better understanding of their intentions with the language?
Regarding art and taste, there are no right or wrong answers (okay, it's wrong to like some things, but I won't name them, just in case someone is wrong!)--even if one knows all about what the artist was trying to convey. It doesn't often convey the same thing to all people, which is why some think James Fennimore Cooper was a brilliant writer, and others think he was one of the worst writers of all time!
Understanding the intent behind an artist's visual presentation doesn't elevate that piece of work in the eyes of all beholders. Na' mean? Not that I would compare "Piss Christ" to anything of Rothko's, but hearing the explanation for the aforementioned "work" doesn't make it, to me, any more "art" than it was when it was just a crucifix in a jar of urine. And when I studied art in undergrad school (way long ago in the early '80s), hearing Rothko's philosophy didn't make his work sing to me.
Although we don't agree on the Rothko finished product, we probably have much other art we do agree on: like the big-eyed children and velvet paintings!
I come from a long line of artists and art appreciators. My house is full of stuff you would hate and stuff you would love. I'm sure that in the real world, you and I would get along famously! You remind me a lot of a best friend I had.
Your pal,
beardy : )>
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 17, 2002, at 5:55:01
In reply to Re: How do you see all this from a square... » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by kid_A on May 16, 2002, at 20:34:57
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