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Posted by Fred Potter on April 9, 2001, at 18:15:26
Thanks everyone for your help (and Mila)
JigSaw Puzzle – Mine was a feeble example, but I think it’s important to explain, by image or analogy, how it feels to be suffering from clinical anxiety and/or depression.
The Beck Inventory and Hamilton Scale “ask” questions where the adjective is supplied and you’re supposed to simply concur or disagree.
Example:
“Do you feel sad?”
“Yes . . but . .”
“Right next question:”
That “Yes . . but . .” is the herald of a potential wealth of information on how we feel.It’s like “Yes . . but SAD doesn’t begin to describe the pain. Yes – pain. This is why I think it’s important to describe here, and to the health professional, by analogy etc, how one feels. And make them listen. My jigSaw puzzle was a small attempt.
I don’t believe multiple choice questions are suitable for diagnosing mental disorders. I think that unless we stand up and say their diagnostic strategies are antediluvian, the doctors will continue to chop off our legs to fit the Procrustean bed. That is, force the data into an inappropriate model. The model of the moment of course.
Why don’t we band together and collect a set of vivid descriptions of how we, the depressed and anxious, feel? If you have any delicious descriptions I would love to hear from you
If you have been, thanks for reading this.
Fred
Posted by stjames on April 10, 2001, at 10:30:41
In reply to JigSaws and amputation, posted by Fred Potter on April 9, 2001, at 18:15:26
> I don’t believe multiple choice questions are suitable for diagnosing mental disorders. I think that unless we stand up and say their diagnostic strategies are antediluvian, the doctors will continue to chop off our legs to fit the Procrustean bed. That is, force the data into an inappropriate model. The model of the moment of course.
>james here....
This is all well and good, but given that my HMO gives me 15 mins to get treated I nor my doc have time to be long winded.
James
Posted by stjames on April 10, 2001, at 20:11:52
In reply to JigSaws and amputation, posted by Fred Potter on April 9, 2001, at 18:15:26
> The Beck Inventory and Hamilton Scale “ask” questions where the adjective is supplied and you’re supposed to simply concur or disagree.
> Example:
> “Do you feel sad?”
> “Yes . . but . .”
> “Right next question:”
> That “Yes . . but . .” is the herald of a potential wealth of information on how we feel.
>
> It’s like “Yes . . but SAD doesn’t begin to describe the pain. Yes – pain. This is why I think it’s important to describe here, and to the health professional, by analogy etc, how one feels. And make them listen.James here....
If you want someone to listen you need a therapist
and not a medical doc, a pdoc.james
Posted by Fred Potter on April 10, 2001, at 22:30:49
In reply to Re: JigSaws and amputation, posted by stjames on April 10, 2001, at 20:11:52
There were several deeply silly things in my post. James, you were kind enough to point out just one
Posted by Wendy B on April 11, 2001, at 8:59:14
In reply to JigSaws and amputation, posted by Fred Potter on April 9, 2001, at 18:15:26
> Thanks everyone for your help (and Mila)
(...)
> Why don’t we band together and collect a set of vivid descriptions of how we, the depressed and anxious, feel? If you have any delicious descriptions I would love to hear from you
>
> If you have been, thanks for reading this.
>
> FredHi Fred,
Therre are some amazing descriptions of what it's like to be depressed/anxious/manic in Kay Redfield Jamison's book "Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament." Most of them written by poeats and writers, people who have real mastery over their expression. It's sometimes so difficult to read though ('that's me!'), I can get to crying...(Sylvia Plath):
"I saw the days of the year stretching ahead like a series of bright, white boxes, and separating one box from another was sleep, like a black shade. Only for me, the long perspective of shades that set off one box from the next had suddenly snapped up, and I could see day after day glaring ahead of me like a white, broad, infinitely desolate avenue.
It seemed silly to wash one day when I would only have to wash again the next.
It made me tired just to think of it.
I wanted to do everything once and for all and be through with it."Take THAT book to the doctor's!
All the best - Wendy
Posted by mila on April 11, 2001, at 12:41:06
In reply to Re: JigSaws and amputation » Fred Potter, posted by Wendy B on April 11, 2001, at 8:59:14
Hi Wendy,
Kay also has made a videotape Depression. I just got it from our public library. I also loved her book An Unquiet Mind.love
Mila
Posted by Wendy B on April 11, 2001, at 15:25:06
In reply to Re: Wendy, posted by mila on April 11, 2001, at 12:41:06
> Hi Wendy,
> Kay also has made a videotape Depression. I just got it from our public library. I also loved her book An Unquiet Mind.
>
> love
> MilaHi Mila,
Wow, I don't know if I could take a video on depression! It'd be too depressing. I read 'An Unquiet Mind' several years ago, lent it to my shrink, haven't got it back yet... Read it right around the time I started to think I was going out of my mind, along with other memoirs of madness, such as 'Prozac Nation,' Elizabeth Wurtzel's book. Doesn't she talk about being on Ritalin, too? Or is it just my imagination.A big hug - Wendy
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