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Posted by floatingbridge on December 14, 2011, at 14:10:26
A discussion of three current movies some orvall of which you may see. I think the Lars Von Trier sounds interesting, he did a smashing Medea, but I will likely see none of the discussed.
Is this link appropriate to this forum? I thought it was interesting....
Posted by sigismund on December 14, 2011, at 16:13:53
In reply to Women, sex + death from vampires to psychoanalysis, posted by floatingbridge on December 14, 2011, at 14:10:26
Our inheritance from the past is pretty dreadful when it comes to sex and men and women, and good and evil as well.
It was a very strong feeling in the Prado.
These extreme representations of goodness and evil, men and women and sensuality.
So many suffering Virgins. That kind of Christ. Wicked leering Jews.OTOH, I liked The Garden of Earthly Delights so much I went back to see it the next day. There are certainly cruel and unusual punishments, but the pink things in the original are glorious. I have been told that ergot poisoning was common in Europe around then.
http://offsite2.seriousshops.com/53/42/4202/4202_main_400x400.jpg
In your link I only got the second page.
Posted by floatingbridge on December 17, 2011, at 9:03:18
In reply to Re: Women, sex + death from vampires to psychoanalysis » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on December 14, 2011, at 16:13:53
I needed to read about ergot poisoning. Here's the wiki link I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism
It passes through breast milk.
Personally, I would be very interested in what sort of story about sex and death a male diirector would come up with with an all male cast. I find something dreary in watching women suffer endlessly frame to frame.
I used to be an early Cronenberg fan. He was so wild. But after awhile, I could only see so many variants on vampiric women or sex as something contagious or rabidic. Call me jaded.
I find it interesting that the person who identified an equivocal drive within the sex/Eros drive was, by chance (or not) a woman who remained uncredited by Freud and Jung. Or the steamroller of history.
Btw, the link pulls up the entire picture, it's a triptych, yes? I just have poor resolution. I imagine the colors are glorious irl.
Posted by sigismund on December 20, 2011, at 22:47:37
In reply to Re: Women, sex + death from vampires to psychoanalysis, posted by floatingbridge on December 17, 2011, at 9:03:18
I prefer vampires to be a metaphor for hard drug addiction: brilliant, ancient, cynical and tired of life.
These new vampires don't cut it with me, though I like the woman's reaction to this spunky yet disappointingly reticent young vampire (if I may so characterise him).The Lars von Trier film is one I would like to see.
Somehow, reading about the woman in that I was reminded of Patti Smith's opening line in Horses
Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine
Meltin in a pot of thieves
Wild card up my sleeve
Thick heart of stone
My sins my own
They belong to me, me.
People say beware
But I don't care
The world is just rules and regulations to me, me.That is from so long ago. John Cale (Paris 1919) produced that album.
So Spielrein is from reality. Hitler succeeded in becoming the man who would decide who lived and who died. Should the Roma die? Homosexuals? Jehovah's Witnesses? Poles? Slavs? There were many other groups awaiting his kindness in awarding them a mercy death. As he said when considering his career 'In the end one is guilty of having been too kind', or words to that effect, which is less surprising to me now than it was once.
Posted by sigismund on December 20, 2011, at 22:53:46
In reply to Re: Women, sex + death from vampires to psychoanalysis, posted by floatingbridge on December 17, 2011, at 9:03:18
>Personally, I would be very interested in what sort of story about sex and death a male diirector would come up with with an all male cast. I find something dreary in watching women suffer endlessly frame to frame.
Well yes. There are plenty of men who would enjoy suffering in this same way.
I have not seen Salo. We have been protected from it.
Posted by floatingbridge on December 21, 2011, at 0:26:23
In reply to Re: Women, sex + death from vampires to psychoanalysis, posted by sigismund on December 20, 2011, at 22:53:46
I think it's available in DVD where you are. I need to be protected from it I'm certain.
There are women in it. Is that beside the point?
I think I might need to look into Kubrick. Women seem superfluous to any of his films.
I think we are talking about people who are made to suffer who would rather not. At least I was.
Posted by floatingbridge on December 21, 2011, at 1:16:40
In reply to Re: Women, sex + death from vampires to psychoanalysis » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on December 20, 2011, at 22:47:37
Really, John Cale? 'Gloria', I believe it's called, preserved my sanity in high school.
The lines are perfect for a Catholic girl.
I might take an extra Xanax and see the Von Trier. I like comets and cataclysm. The lighting looks eerie and beautiful.
I don't watch vampire flicks. I read the first few vampire novels like "Carmela". Crumbs, even "Dracula", and that is
one long novel for someone who doesn't like vampires much. I did like the early Cronenberg, like Rabidhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabid
where Marilyn Chambers becomes infected and gets a 'phallic
stinger' in a slit in her armpit.Anyways, back to Gloria, I like these simple lines from Coldplay, which seem loosed of anger
Oh and I don't have a soul to save
Yes and I sin every single day
And back to cataclysm and infection, have you seen 28 Day Later? Here are women that, IMO, make it though the stone edifices of misogyny (depending on which alternate ending one prefers I guess.)
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