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Posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 4:35:05
Hi, I post rarely here--just lurk.
I've found a diagnosis that really fits, and I hope this will be helpful. Actually, the 'c' is the newest part which I found on my own. My T thinks mdd trd and ptsd. When he returns from his absence, we'll discuss this. Meanwhile, I'm reading up. I just wanted to share this with someone. Thanks for you ear.
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Posted by antigua3 on October 11, 2009, at 11:10:43
In reply to c-ptsd, a brand new key, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 4:35:05
would you mind spelling out those acronyms? I'm not familiar with them.
thanks,
antigua
Posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 12:11:19
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key, posted by antigua3 on October 11, 2009, at 11:10:43
Hi Antigua,
I'm sorry for the short-hand.
c-ptsd = complex post traumatic stress disorder.
mdd trd= major depressive disorder, treatment resistant (don't know what the last d is for).
thanks for reading,
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Posted by emilyp on October 11, 2009, at 15:15:31
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key » antigua3, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 12:11:19
Mdd and Trd are two different diagnosis. The 'd' in trd stands for depression.
Posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2009, at 15:55:52
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key, posted by emilyp on October 11, 2009, at 15:15:31
I think it means Major Depressive Disorder that is treatment resistant to meds. The d just giving the diagnosis for DSM categories. Now of course could be wrong. FB I didn't know you were so depressed so sorry. Love Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 16:07:36
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key » emilyp, posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2009, at 15:55:52
Yeah, a rose by any other name.
So the diagnosis is Major depressive disorder, recurrent (of course).
And treatment resistant depression.
Loverly, isn't it?
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Posted by blahblahblah on October 11, 2009, at 19:15:01
In reply to c-ptsd, a brand new key, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 4:35:05
What is the dif between c-ptsd. and standard ptsd?
Posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2009, at 20:14:34
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 16:07:36
No it isn't lovely at all. Now what????? Oh I know some ummmm herbs? Got to google that c. Love Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 20:32:49
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2009, at 20:14:34
Hopefully this link will work. Let's see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_post-traumatic_stress_disorder
umm, no. I guess just cut and paste?
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Posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 20:38:27
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key, posted by blahblahblah on October 11, 2009, at 19:15:01
> What is the dif between c-ptsd. and standard ptsd?
Umm, I'm not sure. What I'm getting from reading is that in complex ptsd, core identity formations were interrupted at an early age or maybe, whatever age, by protracted exposure.
Anyone else know?
I'm ordering a book suggested in the Wiki link, "Trauma and Recovery".
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Posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2009, at 21:23:43
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key » blahblahblah, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 20:38:27
FB Queen of google just wiki'd this. Sounds very complicated? Actually don't get it some not all. Love Phillipa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_post-traumatic_stress_disorder
Posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2009, at 22:31:03
In reply to Wiki definition of c-ptsd, a brand new key » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 20:32:49
FB ha ha we both got the same link. Funny. Love Phillipa
Posted by antigua3 on October 12, 2009, at 12:11:18
In reply to Wiki definition of c-ptsd, a brand new key » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 20:32:49
I thought that was what you meant, but even reading this was so shocking to me as it fits me to a T.
When, oh when, will I be through it???? sorry for the venting, but sometimes the more I read, the worse I feel. I know what I have and what it means, but it shakes me up all over again.
thanks for clarifying,
antigua
Posted by fleeting flutterby on October 12, 2009, at 16:25:51
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key » blahblahblah, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 20:38:27
> > What is the dif between c-ptsd. and standard ptsd?
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> Umm, I'm not sure. What I'm getting from reading is that in complex ptsd, core identity formations were interrupted at an early age or maybe, whatever age, by protracted exposure.<<
---flutterby: Yes that is how it's been explained to me by the psychologist I used to see and the current T. I see now.PTSD is just about single trauma where C-PTSD is many traumas usually expereinced at a young age but not always-- and the most important thing is the loss of self with C-PTSD.
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> Anyone else know?<<
--flutterby: there is talk(I found an article on the internet about it-- by doctors that specialize in prolonged traumas) about separating C-PTSD from PTSD in the next DSM book. Since they are finding that prolonged trauma changes the mind to deeper degrees than only PTSD.
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> I'm ordering a book suggested in the Wiki link, "Trauma and Recovery".
>
> http://amzn.com/0465087302<<;---flutterby: tis a VERY good book, at least it was for me. Saw so much of myself in many chapters. Good reading to you-- and hopeful healing.
much hope to you
flutterby
Posted by floatingbridge on October 12, 2009, at 16:26:00
In reply to Re: Wiki definition of c-ptsd, a brand new key » floatingbridge, posted by antigua3 on October 12, 2009, at 12:11:18
> I thought that was what you meant, but even reading this was so shocking to me as it fits me to a T.
>
> When, oh when, will I be through it???? sorry for the venting, but sometimes the more I read, the worse I feel. I know what I have and what it means, but it shakes me up all over again.
> thanks for clarifying,
> antigua
Oh Antigua, I'm so sorry. We are healing. I don't think 'it' (as in scars, memories) will ever be 100% over for me. I do believe in healing and recovery.I really am sorry you resonate with this dx. It s*cks.
warmly,
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Posted by floatingbridge on October 12, 2009, at 16:32:02
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key, posted by fleeting flutterby on October 12, 2009, at 16:25:51
Flutterby,
thank you for such a wonderful note!
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Posted by fleeting flutterby on October 12, 2009, at 17:07:23
In reply to Re: c-ptsd, a brand new key » fleeting flutterby, posted by floatingbridge on October 12, 2009, at 16:32:02
> Flutterby,
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> thank you for such a wonderful note!
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> fb:o) You're welcome!
please remember ......those that sincerely seek and have an open heart-- shall find.
some of us originally found our identity within the traumas and that makes it so difficult to let go.... I'm struggling with this presently and I have truly become "unknown". before therapy, I was the hyper-aware one, the one that hid and knew I could only count on myself, the dirty one, the useless one. Now that "me" is disappearing ever so slowly(however- not the dissociating yet, I'm hopeful though *sigh*) but there is no one there yet, ready to take her place. yipes! It's upsetting- not as much as the original traumas however-- the stomach is still in swirls, fit full sleeps and such confusion. Who are we?? our old self is disappearing ....................
I have to trust the process though, as that is all I have left to hope for........
it's so difficult for some of us.....
please hang in there....I hope Judith Herman's book will open your eyes and heart to a path towards inner peace and also healing.
flutterby ps-- in addition to C-PTSD, I've also been dx with major depressive disorder- recurrent.
Posted by antigua3 on October 13, 2009, at 9:03:51
In reply to Re: Wiki definition of c-ptsd, a brand new key » antigua3, posted by floatingbridge on October 12, 2009, at 16:26:00
Its OK. I needed to see the truth as much as it hurts.
These posts are so helpful because they describe a lot of what I'm going through right now.
After integration of my "selves" I thought I would be miraculously whole. But I was left wondering "Who am I? I have nothing left; there's just this big, wide open dark hole I'm falling into." It made me feel helpless, that my extremely strong self of relying on my little girls for defining who I am was gone. It was petrifying. My denial was pierced.
<<core identity formations were interrupted at an early age or maybe, whatever age, by protracted exposure>>
This fits me perfectly. Is it really possible to change this core identity? While I have faith, Im just not sure its something that can ever be changed. Maybe adopting coping mechanisms is the most I can hope for. But that wont ever resolve these issues and its sad to think they may be with me always, tripping me up in the years I have left in my life.
I see myself in all the BPD in dealing with my psychiatristespecially the insecure attachment. Why cant I trust him to believe he wont leave or hurt me, despite what he says? But then, of course, the rational part of me says, There are no absolutes in life. Sometimes, even our faith lets us down, so why cant I give up this need for reassurance?
Slowly I've realized that I do have a self, the adult one, who is healthier in many ways, but still a long ways from being whole. I felt like I'd been ripped open and my selves discarded, but then my T reminded me I do have a strong, healthy part to hold onto: I am a good wife and mother, and that's really important to me and I've worked extremely hard to get there.
But that still leaves a huge part missing, and in this discussion of c-ptsd I realize I still have these underlying issues with my psychiatrist and in parts of my life.
I looked at DBT with a more rational eye, and yes, there are things that can help me stabilize in my feelings for my psychiatrist. Emotional regulation is key, for me, and Ill try to stay in the middle, instead of leaping off either end into love or hate.
I know that we are at a particularly difficult phase, but as silly as it sounds I didnt know it would be so incredibly difficult to try and see a man clearly, unclouded by who I imagine he is and who he represents. Im truly incapable of doing that now and its painful.
Why cant I believe its just a phase, Ill get through it, as I have in the past? Probably because this goes so very deep and back to the basic element of who I am and how I developed. It makes me hate myself, which I know is not a good feeling to have.
antigua
Posted by muffled on October 14, 2009, at 14:08:54
In reply to Re: Wiki definition of c-ptsd, a brand new key » floatingbridge, posted by antigua3 on October 13, 2009, at 9:03:51
Can't stand it, but has anyone looked at the fact we all have 'ego states' in whatever form?
That there can be asst levels of dissociation btwn ego states?
I have also been reading up on attachment disorders.
I dunno, sometimes my heart hurts when people seem to not be aknowlwdging the reality of the existance of other parts of self that are hurting and need to be heard.
My T thinks they all just asst nueral pathways....I say THEY EXIST, they are as real as you are.
Try and listen to your insiders.
Takes a long time to learn to hear and understand them and learn to work together.
Anyhow, maybe I way off base, but thats where I at.
I don't usu post here, but I was sad to hear these thots.
Sorry if I am confusing.
Take care, best wishes,
M
Posted by floatingbridge on October 15, 2009, at 12:27:59
In reply to c-ptsd, a brand new key, posted by floatingbridge on October 11, 2009, at 4:35:05
Flutter by,
thanks for your message of hope and faith for recovery and sharing your own successes.
Antigua,
thank you for your honesty and candor. Tuesday and Wed were dark days indeed for me. I clung on to anything to stay afloat and not sink into a well of shame. Today is better, and again I have faith in the healing process.
I wish us all the best in our recovery--both your posts helped me through.
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