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Posted by obsidian on December 23, 2008, at 21:07:24
I'd be interested in it if I thought it could be really interpersonally based you know?
maybe a drama therapy group would be good too..
I have to work on how I relate to people
any thoughts about group therapy?
Posted by Sigismund on December 23, 2008, at 21:19:06
In reply to group therapy- any thoughts?, posted by obsidian on December 23, 2008, at 21:07:24
Hell on earth for me, Sid.
Once I went to a Tibetan Buddhist transpersonal psychology workshop and we were given these instructions....
(This has nothing to do with group therapy, but never mind.)
"Find a partner, stand opposite your partner, put your hand on your partner's heart, and look into your partner's eyes.
When the moment is right, say
'I know you'"
(25 years ago and I remember it all.)Well, you can imagine.
Being so full of scruple (what kind?), I tried various tones to the 'I know you'. My partner became concerned for my mental health.
I announced I'd done thousands of hours of analysis. Was it she who said 'you must be very wise'?
Lord, what fools these mortals be.
Posted by obsidian on December 23, 2008, at 21:38:51
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » obsidian, posted by Sigismund on December 23, 2008, at 21:19:06
wow sig,
we should have our own babble group therapy maybe?
it'd take me quite a while to say "I know you" I think...my tendency is to always examine the unconsidered, what I don't know that is-which by the way is a lot...I don't know a lot and it bothers me, I am always bound to f*ck things up
I once went to a movement group where we had to be our "reptilian selves"..it involved touching each other on our lower backs. I'm quite sure I missed the point, but it was nice watching other people prancing around uninhibited
Posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 4:30:12
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » Sigismund, posted by obsidian on December 23, 2008, at 21:38:51
The thing about the 'reptilian selves' made me smile - the thing about the hand on heart and saying "I know you" would have been too much for me too, I think. I'm afraid there are dark corners of myself I am yet to 'know', so how could I know you?
I've never been in group therapy or anything vaguely like that. I was in a drama group for visually impaired/blind children for a short while (I was about 12 or 13 at the time). I only went a few times because it was too childish but I recall the instructor repeatedly scratching her behind while talking to us. I suppose she assumed we wouldn't see it!
Ok, this wasn't a helpful response. Can your therapist give any suggestions?
Sig, have your thousands of hours of analysis made you a very wise person? You seem wise to me.
Witti
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2008, at 12:47:35
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts?, posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 4:30:12
Witti not trying to be funny sarcastic or any of those things but was that a joke about being blind? As my Son really is? And as for group theraphy about l0 years ago went and it was CBT and liked it. Seems when hear others have problems also it helps. I don't know your history other than you're in Holland but not from there right? Love Phillipa
Posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 16:47:03
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » Wittgensteinz, posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2008, at 12:47:35
Hi Phillipa,
I hope I didn't offend you. It was a joke, (although a true story too) - not about being blind but about how some people stereotype 'blind' people and behave strangely in front of them - I mean most people wouldn't scratch their butts in public.
I am legally blind myself but like many 'blind' people I can still see a considerable amount - I can't drive but am not too limited in many other ways (if you met me, you probably wouldn't detect that I had sight difficulties).
I grew up in England and have lived in Holland for less than 2 years.
Witti
Posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 16:50:14
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts?, posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 16:47:03
Ok, I just realised I perhaps didn't explain it too well - the drama group leader wasn't visually impaired, just the kids in the group had sight problems, and clearly that's why she thought she could get away with scratching her butt in front of us - she assumed we wouldn't notice.
Ok, I'll stop now - not sure why I brought up 'butt-scratching' anyway lol.
Posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 16:51:06
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts?, posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 16:50:14
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2008, at 19:22:30
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts?, posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 16:47:03
Not offended at all. My Son had so many surgeries when blinded in Desert Storm. He had many aids provided by military and he can see a bit out of one eye with a scope. No driving either. Seems that if he walks behind others he does okay. Love Phillipa ps may I ask about sight from birth or trauma?
Posted by Kath on December 24, 2008, at 21:45:14
In reply to group therapy- any thoughts?, posted by obsidian on December 23, 2008, at 21:07:24
Am currently going to Group Therapy.
The therapist is one of the BEST I have EVER encountered.
I've worked through some MAJOR stuff.
('scuse all the capitols, but I can't use itallics & I want to be emphatic...it's just the way I am. My daughter told me that upper case letters can mean yelling!! I was horrified & hope I don't come across like that).
If you have any specific questions, I'd be glad to answer them.
After a person does "work", the T asks the group, "Anybody relate?" then whoever does & wants to can 'share' with the person who's done the work.
I have found this group therapy very worthwhile. But I believe that it totally depends on how skillful the T is. Ours is too amazing for my words.
I've done some very deep work there.
:-) Kath
Posted by Sigismund on December 25, 2008, at 17:35:59
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts?, posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 4:30:12
Not very wise.
Anyway, I looked into her eyes, and waited to get to know her.
Nothing much happened, which I tried to remind myself was OK, and so we waited, staring into each others eyes until we were the only ones left, and it was impossible to leave.
She might have said she knew me, I can only remember how I felt.
Anyway, after at least 10 minutes of this I wondered if I could escape with irony (I know you???????); no lying for me).
But I wondered, maybe I do know you, maybe I don't, maybe I don't know anything, maybe I need something to calm me down?Maybe I should have just lied?
You don't have to obey the rules.
Posted by Wittgensteinz on December 25, 2008, at 18:28:00
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » Wittgensteinz, posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2008, at 19:22:30
Phillipa,
I'm very sorry to hear about your son's blindness. I had eye problems from birth. My sight worsened considerably when I was 11 after an operation (I've also had many eye operations). They said the sight would come back when my eyes recovered but after several months it remained the same, by which point I had adjusted anyhow. I've lost some more of my side-vision since then but it happened very gradually so I haven't really experienced the loss (the last time I went to the hospital, just some weeks ago, they said the one eye has worsened but I can't say I really notice) - I just notice I bump into things a little more often and struggle in low light compared to 10 years back. I think it's far harder to adjust if you lose your sight later on.
Witti
Posted by Phillipa on December 25, 2008, at 23:06:32
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » Phillipa, posted by Wittgensteinz on December 25, 2008, at 18:28:00
Witti been gone all day and bed earlier last night I'm so sorry about your sight can they now help if it's worsening? Love Phillipa
Posted by Wittgensteinz on December 26, 2008, at 4:19:07
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » Wittgensteinz, posted by Phillipa on December 25, 2008, at 23:06:32
I feel a bit bad to have steered away from the original topic of this thread - it wasn't my intention. There's no need to feel sorry, my sight problems don't have a huge impact on my life - more of an inconvenience really from time to time. I see a specialist and they are gradually stabilising my eyes again with meds - it's nothing I am losing sleep over. The recent loss of sight (and only some slight loss in side-vision) was likely due to not going to the hospital for a long time - when I moved from England to Holland I didn't arrange a new consultant for over a year so it wasn't being monitored during this time - entirely my fault, my resistance - now it's being monitored. If I had it my (childish) way, I would never step foot in an eye clinic again - but that would be foolish.
Witti
Posted by Nadezda on December 26, 2008, at 14:39:58
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts?, posted by Wittgensteinz on December 24, 2008, at 16:50:14
Good grief, Witti. Just be thankful that's all she did!
poor woman. she seems not to have gotten a good understanding of what situation she was in. I'm wondering that you kept your composure.
Nadezda
Posted by Kath on December 26, 2008, at 20:06:02
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » Wittgensteinz, posted by Sigismund on December 25, 2008, at 17:35:59
I dunno.
I think I might have felt insulted to have someone say "I know you".
How the hell do they KNOW me, just from looking into my eyes for a while???? I dunno!!!!
I went to a group thing once. Not therapy, but some expensive group dynamic thing that my then-straying-ex-husband was going to & thought it would be good if I went also - so we'd be 'at the same place' - HUH!
Anyway I was stupid enough to go in the hopes of getting him to the 'same place' as me & not wanting to leave!!! ~~ sigh ~~
Anyway, some of the exercises were maybe bonding ones or something. I think the 'dynamic' in those types of situations can be sort of different & maybe I can see "I know you" type stuff happening for some people.
I think "I know you??" might have been a solution! Talk about being put on the spot!!! I don't even drink, & I think I'd need a GOOD STIFF DRINK in that situation LOL
Hugs, Kath
Posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 20:39:03
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » Sigismund, posted by Kath on December 26, 2008, at 20:06:02
>I'd need a GOOD STIFF DRINK in that situation
Yeah, especially as your partners hand is on your heart so as to detect any sign of rapid heart rate.
Posted by Kath on December 26, 2008, at 21:04:01
In reply to Re: group therapy- any thoughts? » Kath, posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 20:39:03
> >I'd need a GOOD STIFF DRINK in that situation
>
> Yeah, especially as your partners hand is on your heart so as to detect any sign of rapid heart rate.~ ~ ~ What are they THINKING????
If I had some stranger's hand on my heart or therabouts (!) my heart might VERY well be beating rapidly....& could be for a variety of reasons:
- Oh My God - he is SO hot!!
- Jeez Louise - I don't want this creep's hands ANYwhere on me!
- is that REALLY where my heart is???
LOL Bring on the drinks!
hugs to ya, Kath
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