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Posted by Declan on February 12, 2007, at 1:27:55
It is fashionable to divide things according to Faith and Psychology, but I want to mention habits of thought that are set when young.
Why has this stayed with me so vividly after all these (40 or so) years?
"Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth against him. But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God; and he said 'Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God.' But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together upon him." Acts, 54-58
Perhaps it is like listening to lots of early Beethoven?
Posted by Honore on February 12, 2007, at 10:16:22
In reply to Habits and Fashion, posted by Declan on February 12, 2007, at 1:27:55
I don't know, Declan, but it sounds very beautiful.
Honore
Posted by Declan on February 12, 2007, at 18:47:31
In reply to Re: Habits and Fashion » Declan, posted by Honore on February 12, 2007, at 10:16:22
I'd imagined, perhaps quite wrongly, that your background had more reason, logic and law about it.
My whole thinking is infected with the revelatory and apocalyptic. It must be dealt with root and branch.
(You see?)Someone should really have stuff to say about music and psychology. Even when I was very young I could feel the attraction of eventual tragedy about the music of Central Europe.
One dream I had must have come from Haydn seeing Messiah performed in London (He stood to his feet and wept, from the liner notes). The dream is this (very short).....
I am with an audience and the opening notes of Bach's 3rd Orchestral Suite are played. Everyone rises to their feet, me too, and I am overcome with emotion. (He must have been there.) I'd like to say it was out of respect and gratitude for the principles of abstract form; maybe it was.
Posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on February 12, 2007, at 19:44:32
In reply to Revelation and Apocalypse » Honore, posted by Declan on February 12, 2007, at 18:47:31
Declan
there are certain pieces that I can only play in a certain frame of mind.Bach's Chaconne. Must come from a place where logic and emotion are one.
The changes in patterns, dynamics, textures, colors, must sound so inevitable that they are more a natural law than a human creation. The feeling that one gets when one sees the essential elegance of the natural world in it's little patterns and interactions and cycles.
When the Dminor opens into a quietly hopeful DMajor, it must sound like it was always there, but only uncovered for the first time. And when it is lost, it must be completely lost, as the Dminor section descends in stern domination, and eventually one realizes that the only source of power in the entire piece comes from the light in the middle. That without that Light, the piece is in the dark, and cannot ever be understood.
And I weep, esp. when my violin teacher told me that this is his anthem for leaving his Eastern Bloc homeland at the height of the Cold War, knowing that he would never be home again until he was in Heaven.
-Ll
This is why I will never "perform" the Chaconne. I can never play it the way I feel it, or think it. Every minute is exquisite agony as I mourn for the loss of sustain, the slightly rocky transition, the out-of-tune chord, the sadness that my bow cannot play a 4 voice chord as Bach's bow would have... and the tiniest victories always keep me coming back, hoping that one day I can play even a section well enough to get the Chaconne out of my head and out of my heart. set it free
Posted by Honore on February 12, 2007, at 23:29:28
In reply to Re: Revelation and Apocalypse » Declan, posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on February 12, 2007, at 19:44:32
or maybe the better word is sublime.
Honore
Posted by Declan on February 13, 2007, at 1:16:19
In reply to Re: Revelation and Apocalypse declan, posted by Honore on February 12, 2007, at 23:29:28
Sublime? Yes, maybe. We humans have a need for transcendance.
Once in a mental hospital this (wonderful looking, at least once he'd said it) young man looked me in the eyes and said 'You know I am God, don't you?'
I didn't reply, but it was a kind of proof.
(How else would he have known?)
Posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on February 13, 2007, at 9:50:50
In reply to Revelation and Apocalypse, posted by Declan on February 13, 2007, at 1:16:19
((((((Declan))))))))
I find myself feeling more profound when I'm suffering. Are you suffering? Tell me more-
Ll
Posted by Declan on February 13, 2007, at 15:35:12
In reply to Re: Revelation and Apocalypse » Declan, posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on February 13, 2007, at 9:50:50
No, Lurps, I'm too fatigued to be properly suffering. What I need is some superdooper tea to get me going in the mornings. I'm still all glazed over and reptilian.
Hey, I loved your post about the chaconne....gave me goosebumps reading it.
What's the difference between a chaconne and a passacalia(sp?)? (Nice word that)
Not a good idea to be trying to frame my speech out of King Lear...so little of it is civil.
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