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Posted by happyflower on May 30, 2006, at 16:50:38
Today I learned something interesting that kinda of applies to me. We are studing child development and she said that girls from child abuse homes start puburty earlier than other girls. Plus girls who start earlier are less self confident, and preceived by peers as "different" in most cases. Plus they tend to start to hang out with older kids and get into "trouble" more often (pretaining to drugs and sex) in most cases.
This is the first I heard most of this especially the early puberty thing.
I didn't do the drugs and sex thing, but everything else would be true.
Posted by Daisym on May 31, 2006, at 2:32:17
In reply to childabuse= early puburty in girls, posted by happyflower on May 30, 2006, at 16:50:38
I'm curious as to where she got her information. I've never heard that either. On the whole, children are entering puberty a few months earlier than they did 25 years ago but it is a biological, nutrition thing.
Doesn't apply to me. I didn't even need a training bra until nearly 9th grade!
Posted by happyflower on May 31, 2006, at 4:55:02
In reply to Re: childabuse= early puburty in girls » happyflower, posted by Daisym on May 31, 2006, at 2:32:17
Hi Daisy,
I did a search on it and yes, it does factor in. Something to do with the stress and how it effects your brain and hormonally. (I know not I am not being very medical here). Maybe I will look up those links and post them.
I thought it was interesesting because I got my period at 9yrs old, so I started puberty at least a year or two before that. I am going to ask my T about it today if I get a chance.
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 9:32:54
In reply to childabuse= early puburty in girls, posted by happyflower on May 30, 2006, at 16:50:38
> Today I learned something interesting that kinda of applies to me. We are studing child development and she said that girls from child abuse homes start puburty earlier than other girls. Plus girls who start earlier are less self confident, and preceived by peers as "different" in most cases. Plus they tend to start to hang out with older kids and get into "trouble" more often (pretaining to drugs and sex) in most cases.
> This is the first I heard most of this especially the early puberty thing.
> I didn't do the drugs and sex thing, but everything else would be true.May I try to clarify something? You said "child abuse", but you are really meaning child sexual abuse, are you not?
The sexual tension affects maturation. I have no doubt of that. There is no single outcome, but if you graph it, there is earlier maturation. Some may well delay. There is no one single way things happen.
Lar
Posted by happyflower on May 31, 2006, at 10:28:58
In reply to Re: childabuse= early puburty in girls » happyflower, posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 9:32:54
> > May I try to clarify something? You said "child abuse", but you are really meaning child sexual abuse, are you not?
Nope, I meant chronic physical abuse or emotional abuse, since sexual abuse is emotional and physical, then I am sure that would qualify too.
Posted by Dinah on May 31, 2006, at 10:31:20
In reply to Re: childabuse= early puburty in girls » happyflower, posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 9:32:54
I remember something about a study linking early puberty to having a stepfather or other unrelated adult male in the home, even in the absence of abuse.
Can't recall the details at all, but something to do with evolution.
Posted by B2chica on May 31, 2006, at 10:32:35
In reply to Re: childabuse= early puburty in girls » happyflower, posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 9:32:54
>> The sexual tension affects maturation. I have no doubt of that. There is no single outcome, but if you graph it, there is earlier maturation. Some may well delay. There is no one single way things happen.
> Lari was actually delayed. i developed late up top and i was 14 before i started my period. although i've also always had very irregular periods (typically every other month, sometimes longer) and often wondered if 'childhood' didn't play some type of role in that...
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 10:48:28
In reply to Re: childabuse= early puburty in girls* trigger** » Larry Hoover, posted by happyflower on May 31, 2006, at 10:28:58
> > > May I try to clarify something? You said "child abuse", but you are really meaning child sexual abuse, are you not?
>
> Nope, I meant chronic physical abuse or emotional abuse, since sexual abuse is emotional and physical, then I am sure that would qualify too.Hmmm. Thanks.
Just for the other issue, the trigger one. Is the subject itself, the mention of "the words", a triggering thing?
For me, it is not. I can have a dry conversation about the subject, as we are having here. Child sexual abuse is a subject, which we can say has some particular implication.....
I'm not trying to be right, with my use of the trigger designation. I consciously decided that what I had to say was in that dry hypothetical language that only needed detail to convert to a trigger.
Can we talk about triggers, please?
Can we start working on that concensus? Where should the line go? I'd gladly work with anyone's boundaries, if they are declared.
Lar
Posted by happyflower on May 31, 2006, at 11:38:27
In reply to CSI, and the subject * trigger** » happyflower, posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 10:48:28
I guess the way I use triggers is I would rather be safe than sorry, so I use them just in case. I am not bothered by really any triggers, but I know some are sensitive to that. I don't know what the officialrules are.
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 12:02:59
In reply to Re: CSI, and the subject * trigger** » Larry Hoover, posted by happyflower on May 31, 2006, at 11:38:27
> I guess the way I use triggers is I would rather be safe than sorry, so I use them just in case. I am not bothered by really any triggers, but I know some are sensitive to that. I don't know what the officialrules are.
Thank you.
And now my feedback to you.
In my realm, that was a "false positive" trigger. It's thoughtful to be that sensitive to the idea, and I am grateful. But it didn't cross any lines into trigger territory, as it did not invoke any imagery of the subjects being described. I think you can use cold clinical language about very explicit behaviours, without triggering.
I welcome any other voices on this subject. I hope there are many.
Lar
Posted by B2chica on May 31, 2006, at 12:56:27
In reply to Re: childabuse= early puburty in girls* trigger** » Larry Hoover, posted by happyflower on May 31, 2006, at 10:28:58
> > > May I try to clarify something? You said "child abuse", but you are really meaning child sexual abuse, are you not?
>
> Nope, I meant chronic physical abuse or emotional abuse, since sexual abuse is emotional and physical, then I am sure that would qualify too.
i didn't see this earlier. i was lucky and didn't suffer chronic physical abuse and the emotional abuse began when i was a bit older like 11 or so. so i could see where this may not have affected me.
interesting though
Posted by antigua on May 31, 2006, at 17:40:02
In reply to CSI, and the subject * trigger** » happyflower, posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 10:48:28
Even at my old age in dealing with my csa, sometimes I'm always stopped up short--and triggered--whenever I even see the "csa". I like to know before I open a message that it will contain a mention of it.
But maybe I'm just overly sensitive. I can discuss it all very clinically, as you said, but sometimes when it pops out, my feelings get a hold of me instead.
just another opinion,
antigua
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 31, 2006, at 18:05:10
In reply to Re: CSI, and the subject * trigger**, posted by antigua on May 31, 2006, at 17:40:02
> Even at my old age in dealing with my csa, sometimes I'm always stopped up short--and triggered--whenever I even see the "csa". I like to know before I open a message that it will contain a mention of it.
> But maybe I'm just overly sensitive. I can discuss it all very clinically, as you said, but sometimes when it pops out, my feelings get a hold of me instead.
> just another opinion,
> antiguaThank you for speaking to it. It is a challenge for me to even talk of it, but it is a necessary thing to talk of it.
Lar
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