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Re: handouts

Posted by Poet on November 22, 2005, at 12:55:11

In reply to Re: handouts, posted by Dr. Bob on November 19, 2005, at 19:51:54

Perhaps each of us should do our own personal handout with our *unique experience and point of view?* The format could look the same, just content would vary.
Plus some threads showing other points of view, too. Different takes from different posters.
Poet

Re: handouts » Poet

Posted by Deneb on November 22, 2005, at 22:51:32

In reply to Re: handouts, posted by Poet on November 22, 2005, at 12:55:11

> Perhaps each of us should do our own personal handout with our *unique experience and point of view?* The format could look the same, just content would vary.
I was thinking of something along those lines too. I was thinking maybe we could collect and show some of our own threads, showing examples of how we interact on the boards.
I'm starting to think of what I want to say. I've done some very interesting things on and off the boards. Maybe I should talk about them. I just hope people won't think I'm some kind of freak or something.
Deneb

Re: handouts - my opinion

Posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 0:49:06

In reply to Re: handouts » Poet, posted by Deneb on November 22, 2005, at 22:51:32

> > Perhaps each of us should do our own personal handout with our *unique experience and point of view?* The format could look the same, just content would vary.
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> I was thinking of something along those lines too. I was thinking maybe we could collect and show some of our own threads, showing examples of how we interact on the boards.
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I don't think that each person doing their own handouts will really be feasible. If you go back to Dr.B's post when he announces the acceptance he quotes,
> If you plan to distribute handout materials at your workshop, they must be approved in advance by the Subcommittee on Workshops. You need to submit a copy of the material ... by February 4, 2006.
>
So you have to think that the handouts have to be ready before 2/4 and they have to be approved in advance. On top of that, I'm assuming that they will have copies made for each presenter rather than them having to bring their own. I think it will be too chaotic for them to have to guess the number of copies of each handout to make and then keeping everything seperate and in order. It's a heck of a lot easier for them and us to make one handout. There is nothing that says it can't be multiple pages. So if people want to make individual handouts, it will probably need to be part of a packet that everyone gets rather than seperate handouts for each small group. I've helped put on conferences like this (almost as large), and I would have wanted to kill a presenter if they tried something like this because of the amount of work and inconvenience it would cause. I think either creating a universal handout that deals in generalities or a multi-page packet with some of our personal experiences (but kept simple) would be best.
But remember, the participants will probably take away from the presentation more from what you actually say than the personal experiences you have printed on a handout. At least, I would.

I'm frustrated

Posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 10:43:52

In reply to Re: handouts - my opinion, posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 0:49:06

Because although I've asked for clarification, I don't feel like I've gotten it.
I don't like unclear expectations.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I would understand what is expected a lot better if Dr. Bob would give an explanation complete with examples rather than one liners.

Re: I'm frustrated » Dinah

Posted by ClearSkies on November 23, 2005, at 13:07:13

In reply to I'm frustrated, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 10:43:52

I'm not preparing anything at this point, Dinah. I'm going to go to Toronto to sit there and let people ask me questions. Unless we're otherwise requested, I don't see that there are any standard guidelines for us to follow for preparing handouts of our own. Maybe this is what Dr Bob is doing???
I'm getting better at Wait And See.
ClearSkies

Dr.Bob et al. Ha! I'll come...

Posted by muffled on November 23, 2005, at 13:36:05

In reply to Re: presenting in toronto on 5/22, posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2005, at 0:34:43

If I don't have to actually speak, and can hide, and you'll buy me an airplane ticket, and someone'll let me crash in their car for the night!
Ha!
Hope all goes well for all.
Muffled

Re: I'm frustrated » Dinah

Posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 13:55:48

In reply to I'm frustrated, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 10:43:52

> Because although I've asked for clarification, I don't feel like I've gotten it.
>
> I don't like unclear expectations.
>
> Maybe I'm just stupid, but I would understand what is expected a lot better if Dr. Bob would give an explanation complete with examples rather than one liners.
>
You're not stupid. I agree that it is very vague at the moment. I think he's waiting to see what we want to do. He specifically asked if we wanted to form a handout committee and then when we were asking for clarification all he said was, "Whatever you all would like to contribute is fine, but remember, what's unique is your experience and point of view..." That sure told us a lot!
But I can completely understand your frustration. That's why I've been throwing around my opinions. There is no model for us to go by right now. I think this might turn into a chaotic mess if at least a format isn't decided. Hopefully, we will hear some direction soon. At this point there are too many cooks in the kitchen.

handout suggestion

Posted by Tamar on November 23, 2005, at 14:55:03

In reply to Re: I'm frustrated » Dinah, posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 13:55:48

Maybe we need something to focus on, and maybe then we can decide how we want to put it together for a handout.
I was thinking: if I had the opportunity to teach a bunch of therapists one thing, what would I want them to learn? And why is it important?
Is that a question that appeals to anyone else? If so, we can discuss it a little and open up ways of demonstrating the things that are important to us by including (for example):
Things we’ve learned here
Discussions or threads that were significant to us
What kinds of things we come to Babble for
Things we find useful about Babble
Things we find frustrating about Babble
So, for example, if I wanted to teach therapists to understand clients’ confusion (or even desperation) about transference feelings, I’d probably write a couple of paragraphs about how people have supported me on the subject; how I’ve tried to support other people; how I’ve felt reading some of the things others have said about their transferential discussions with their therapists; and a note about the many newcomers who post to the psych board about transference and then don’t return. I wonder what happens to them; whether they tell their therapists, and whether their therapists handle it well or badly.
As for putting the handout together… Is there anyone with experience of this kind of thing who would like (or be willing) to take overall responsibility for its structure and content? I imagine it would have to be on the understanding that others would contribute.
I hope I’m not stepping on any toes here…
Tamar

Re: handouts - my opinion » thuso

Posted by Deneb on November 23, 2005, at 15:39:02

In reply to Re: handouts - my opinion, posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 0:49:06

>I've helped put on conferences like this (almost as large), and I would have wanted to kill a presenter if they tried something like this because of the amount of work and inconvenience it would cause. I think either creating a universal handout that deals in generalities or a multi-page packet with some of our personal experiences (but kept simple) would be best.
Thank goodness you have some experience with this thuso! I have absolutely no experience with this sort of thing! Right now after reading your post, I'm leaning towards a general info type of handout that's short and sweet.
Anyone want to be the leader of this handout committee?
Deneb

Re: what is expected

Posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51

In reply to I'm frustrated, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 10:43:52

> I would understand what is expected a lot better if Dr. Bob would give an explanation complete with examples rather than one liners.
Sorry. What's expected of posters? My idea was just that Kali and I would provide some background, we'd divide into small groups, posters would discuss their experiences here, and we'd come back together again at the end.
Maybe what's not clear is what exactly "discuss" means? I thought Tamar had good ideas:
> Things we’ve learned here
> Discussions or threads that were significant to us
> What kinds of things we come to Babble for
> Things we find useful about Babble
> Things we find frustrating about Babble
But don't go overboard in terms of preparation. It'll also be important, as ClearSkies said:
> to sit there and let people ask me questions.
There's probably a lot that you take for granted that they'll be clueless about!
Bob

Thanks Dr. Bob, and Thanks especially Tamar

Posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 22:41:39

In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51

Answering questions I can do, I suppose. Preparing something to say, without very clear guidelines, that I'm not so sure of.

Re: what is expected » Dr. Bob

Posted by daisym on November 23, 2005, at 22:52:49

In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51

I'd really like to participate but things are so up in the air with my job I probably can't commit until April, if that isn't too late. If it is, then maybe next time.
I've been thinking about this, and I think perhaps we don't want to lose the focus of the session by trying to "teach" therapist about things like transference. I think what they will be interested in is the experience of on-line support itself - as Tamar said, why we come here and what we get from it. I think the exact issues are more or less background, it is more about why we come here to talk about them. Maybe we are all saying the same thing.
I'm thinking about the letter I wrote a long time ago trying to explain Babble to Fallsfall's therapist -- it was about support between sessions. And I think there should be some acknowledgement that there has been disagreement as to whether discussing things here interferes with an individual's therapy. If I was attending, I think this is what I would want to convey.

Re: what is expected » Dr. Bob

Posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 22:59:27

In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51

I guess one question I'd be interested in is who is the target audience? Are these pyschopharmacologists or people who do therapy? Or people who do mainly prescribing, but are interested in other aspects of psychiatric self help. Are you presenting Babble as mainly the medication board? Or more as the support community? Is the emphasis on Babble as a community where supportive relationships can be built? Or on Babble as a source of information?

Re: what is expected » daisym

Posted by Tamar on November 24, 2005, at 3:47:11

In reply to Re: what is expected » Dr. Bob, posted by daisym on November 23, 2005, at 22:52:49

> I've been thinking about this, and I think perhaps we don't want to lose the focus of the session by trying to "teach" therapist about things like transference.
Ha ha! Yeah, let’s hope they know something about transference already! And yet we see posts here from people who really seem to be struggling with it, or whose therapists aren’t as sensitive as they should be… so maybe there’s still some need for learning about client perspectives…
I should probably mention that I was talking about the *handout* rather than the session. I think we can probably have a broader scope for the handout, if we want to.
I borrowed the word ‘teach’ from an earlier post by Dr Bob, because I thought it was an interesting word to use in the context. I like the way it implies that we can set the agenda, to some extent.
I think the whole thing is a great opportunity to present our perspectives on things.
> I think what they will be interested in is the experience of on-line support itself - as Tamar said, why we come here and what we get from it. I think the exact issues are more or less background, it is more about why we come here to talk about them. Maybe we are all saying the same thing.
I think we are all saying broadly similar things, in different ways. Yeah, I don’t want to go into a lot of detail about my personal history, but the broad issues are things I think could be discussed in the session, if people want to. And the handout could perhaps provide a bit more depth.
> I'm thinking about the letter I wrote a long time ago trying to explain Babble to Fallsfall's therapist -- it was about support between sessions. And I think there should be some acknowledgement that there has been disagreement as to whether discussing things here interferes with an individual's therapy. If I was attending, I think this is what I would want to convey.
I think the issue of support between sessions is a really important one, and something that could generate some interesting discussions!
Tamar

Re: Thanks Dr. Bob, and Thanks especially Tamar » Dinah

Posted by Tamar on November 24, 2005, at 3:59:25

In reply to Thanks Dr. Bob, and Thanks especially Tamar, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 22:41:39

> Answering questions I can do, I suppose. Preparing something to say, without very clear guidelines, that I'm not so sure of.
I reckon you shouldn't need to prepare anything to say if you don't want to. I'm sure the people attending the conference will have plenty of questions!
If we do produce a handout it could be a starting point...

Re: what is expected

Posted by Dr. Bob on November 25, 2005, at 0:50:05

In reply to Re: what is expected » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 22:59:27

> > > so far for the small groups we have:
> > >
> > > AuntieMel
> > > Annierose
> > > ClearSkies
> > > fallsfall
> > > Poet maybe
> > > Dinah maybe
> > > daisym maybe
> I'd really like to participate but things are so up in the air with my job I probably can't commit until April, if that isn't too late.
>
> daisym
That's fine with me. I just don't want it to be just me! :-)
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> I guess one question I'd be interested in is who is the target audience? Are these pyschopharmacologists or people who do therapy? Or people who do mainly prescribing, but are interested in other aspects of psychiatric self help.
It's hard to know who's going to show up. Sorry about all the unknowns!
> Are you presenting Babble as mainly the medication board? Or more as the support community? Is the emphasis on Babble as a community where supportive relationships can be built? Or on Babble as a source of information?
I think it's both, so I'll try to present it that way. But FYI, I usually Google Effexor to demonstrate how people find Babble. Maybe I should post something at the main board so posters there can get involved, too?
Bob

Re: what is expected

Posted by Poet on November 25, 2005, at 8:32:01

In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51

Things we’ve learned here
> Discussions or threads that were significant to us
> What kinds of things we come to Babble for
> Things we find useful about Babble
> Things we find frustrating about Babble
But don't go overboard in terms of preparation. It'll also be important, as ClearSkies said:
> to sit there and let people ask me questions.
Got it. I won't do my own handouts, just notes for myself in case I get so nervous that I can't remember my own name.
Officially approved handouts I assume Dr. Bob and Kali would be supplying: statistics on the various boards, etc.
Poet

you can consider me a maybe too :-) (nm) » Dr. Bob

Posted by 10derHeart on November 25, 2005, at 15:07:08

In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 25, 2005, at 0:50:05

anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?

Posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2005, at 22:55:18

In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Poet on November 25, 2005, at 8:32:01

I gotta keep the costs down, 'cause the butter tarts I'm bringing are gonna kill my budget......
Just thought I'd ask.
Lar