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Posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
Hi folks,
I was listening to a CD recorded by a Jungian psyhchologist the other day ("Warming the Stone Child").At one point she suggested that you can learn a lot from looking at what your favorite fairy tale is. She said look at what the fairy tale is about, and it gives you clues about your needs, wishes, and fantasies. And she suggested you look at how you try to make this fairy tale come true in real life?
So, what is your favorite fairy tale?
My immediate thought was Cinderella. I won't go into what I interpret about it yet, because I don't want to influence anyone else. But I'll post what I have been thinking about it soon.
Anyone else?
gg
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 1, 2005, at 23:20:41
In reply to Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
Great Book, I also read Bruno Bettelheims "The uses of Enchantment" amazing, it changed how I look at everything.
Fairy Tales, my favorite without a close second was the little match girl.
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 1, 2005, at 23:23:08
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » gardenergirl, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 1, 2005, at 23:20:41
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 1, 2005, at 23:24:25
In reply to correcting the link.. from above post, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 1, 2005, at 23:23:08
Posted by alexandra_k on June 1, 2005, at 23:32:33
In reply to Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
Heh heh
'don't eat me the next one will be fatter'
;-)
Posted by Shortelise on June 2, 2005, at 0:54:18
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » gardenergirl, posted by alexandra_k on June 1, 2005, at 23:32:33
survivor guilt
Posted by daisym on June 2, 2005, at 1:56:57
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » gardenergirl, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 1, 2005, at 23:20:41
I find Bettleheim interesting too. But he ruined Peter Rabbit for me. We studied him a lot in my child psych/child development courses.
Did you ever have to write your own Fairy Tale? That was one of my final projects when we used the Enchantment book. (Mine was about three brothers who had to find a magic flute to win the kingdom -- I know, I know.)
Posted by daisym on June 2, 2005, at 2:00:24
In reply to Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
I don't remember the name of it but it was the one about the sisters who went dancing at night in secret. I think I liked the idea that they had a secret passion. I'll have to try and remember more about it.
Posted by alexandra_k on June 2, 2005, at 3:26:49
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » alexandra_k, posted by Shortelise on June 2, 2005, at 0:54:18
Ouch.
I just thought that little goat was pretty smart ;-)
Posted by vwoolf on June 2, 2005, at 5:14:39
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » Shortelise, posted by alexandra_k on June 2, 2005, at 3:26:49
Mine was the Snow Queen without any hesitation. It feels really important to me on a very deep level.
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 2, 2005, at 9:15:11
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » Gabbi-x-2, posted by daisym on June 2, 2005, at 1:56:57
> I find Bettleheim interesting too. But he ruined Peter Rabbit for me. We studied him a lot in my child psych/child development courses.
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Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 2, 2005, at 9:15:57
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by daisym on June 2, 2005, at 2:00:24
Posted by TofuEmmy on June 2, 2005, at 9:25:38
In reply to Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
GG - You know I LOVE that tape. The fairy tale that immediately came to mind when I first listened to it is Hansel and Gretel. We had an album with it when I was really little. When I look back on the tale now - it's amazing how perfect that choice was. It seems to have been quite prophetic!
My evil step-mother is quite like the one in the story - wanting to just get rid of the kids. My father is a spineless boy who does whatever the step-thing requests. And sadly the wicked witch in my child-mind is my mom. Her suicide was an attempt to kill us. She surely killed my spirit.
However, unlike the kids whose father comes to save them...mine didn't do sh*t. The one who has been saving me is my T.
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If you don't know the story, here's a link:
Posted by Jazzed on June 2, 2005, at 10:38:14
In reply to Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
I don't think I could pick a favorite, there are so many I loved from childhood. I realized though, that I do far too little reading of these to my 2 year old. The older girls got read to alot, and my older son got pretty much, but the toddler likes and chooses mostly Dr. Seuss. Will have to find a good fairy tale book downstairs.
Jazzed
Posted by Tamar on June 2, 2005, at 12:00:10
In reply to Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
I've been thinking about this and I've realized that I don't like many fairy tales much.
I like some stories in the Bible that could be categorized as folk tales. But I don't know if they have the sort of archetypal themes that might be interesting to Jungians. I'll have to think about that...
Interesting thread!
Posted by Shortelise on June 2, 2005, at 12:26:52
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » Shortelise, posted by alexandra_k on June 2, 2005, at 3:26:49
Sorry Alexandra. That was abrupt of me. Glad you could take it. :-)
I've read several people here feeling horrible about this.
I always value what you write here.
ShortE who has a migraine
Posted by Racer on June 2, 2005, at 12:28:48
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by daisym on June 2, 2005, at 2:00:24
It's called The Twelve Dancing Princesses.
I can't remember which colored fairy book it was in, though...
Posted by annierose on June 2, 2005, at 14:26:27
In reply to Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
My favorite fairy tale as a child was "Emperor who wore no clothes". I think the emperor symbolizes my family ... acting crazy but pretending as if nobody will notice how weird they really are.
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 2, 2005, at 14:50:51
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by Tamar on June 2, 2005, at 12:00:10
I can't think of a fav either..I always loved books, but so many fairy tales are so upsetting with wicked witches and stuff. I remember a little red riding hood doll that I had when I was little where it would turn into her grandma and a wolf. I always freaked me out. Hmmm...guess I had an anxiety disorder then too! ;)
Can anyone think of a totally happy fairy tale??
EE
Posted by rainbowbrite on June 2, 2005, at 15:58:42
In reply to Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:38:25
Very interesting, I had/have a few favorites...but one that probably tops the list is Rapunzal. when I was a kid I used to play the part of her LOL I liked the hair part (let down your hair hehe)
then I would say Cinderella, and snow white Oh and I loved Hansel and Gretal ( I used to drop bread crumbs for fun too).Does this make me confused I wonder lol.
Posted by sleepygirl on June 2, 2005, at 19:50:13
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » gardenergirl, posted by rainbowbrite on June 2, 2005, at 15:58:42
I love fairy tales. I used to read them a lot when I was a kid, all the details didn't stick, but I think they're great. Hans Christian Andersen is the man for me. I like 'Thumbelina'
It's about a little girl so small she lives in a flower. She finds herself living with a mouse, and while there finds a swallow she thinks is dead, but she nurses it back to health. Then she's almost forced to marry a mole, and she doesn't want to. So the swallow takes her away from the bad situation. Thumbelina finds a nice place to live with other tiny people, and they give her some wings for herself. So the bird leaves her even though he doesn't want to, and sings the story of Thumbelina.
Posted by sleepygirl on June 2, 2005, at 19:53:41
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » gardenergirl, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on June 1, 2005, at 23:20:41
I remember the little match girl vaguely. Can you tell me who wrote it or what it was about generally? I think I liked that one.
Posted by sleepygirl on June 2, 2005, at 19:55:46
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 2, 2005, at 14:50:51
No, I don't think I can remember a totally happy one fairy tale. I'll try to find one.
Posted by daisym on June 2, 2005, at 21:02:35
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise, posted by Emily Elizabeth on June 2, 2005, at 14:50:51
Fairy tales aren't supposed to be happy. They were a way that parents and clans communicated warnings and social rules to children. They were supposed to clearly show good and evil.
The problem now a days is that we read confusing stories to little kids. That is what I meant by Peter Rabbit got ruined for me. In the story, PETER breaks into Mr. McGregor's garden and STEALS food. But we are led to feel sorry for Peter and hate Mr. McGregor. So the message is confusing.
On the bright side, most Fairy Tales have a good ending.
Posted by daisym on June 2, 2005, at 21:04:02
In reply to Re: Jung and fairy tales...interesting exercise » gardenergirl, posted by rainbowbrite on June 2, 2005, at 15:58:42
It strikes me that these are all rescue tales. Were you always wishing someone would come and save you, transform you into a princess?
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