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Posted by partlycloudy on June 16, 2004, at 18:37:03
I am so very glad to have started this process. I worked myself up into a royal mess before this appointment. I left feeling for the first time ever, that I might be able to get better. I have never felt that with any treatments before.
When I drove home, I looked at the surroundings I passed by with entirely new eyes. Depression has literally given me tunnel vision. i take in all that is necessary and no more. Tonight I was able to see periphally again (maybe all those eyeball exercises) and take pleasure in what I saw.
I'm drained, but euphoric.
Posted by Dinah on June 16, 2004, at 21:01:03
In reply to Positive EMDR experience, posted by partlycloudy on June 16, 2004, at 18:37:03
I hear so many good things about EMDR! Maybe I just had a not very skilled practitioner. Or maybe I've got a very hard head.
I'm delighted it worked well for you. :)
Posted by Caper on June 16, 2004, at 23:31:05
In reply to Positive EMDR experience, posted by partlycloudy on June 16, 2004, at 18:37:03
I was so happy to see this post. I've got the biggest smile on my face at the new optimism in your post.
When you've had a chance to relax and regroup, I'd love to hear as much about the process as you feel comfortable telling.
Best wishes,
Caper
P.S. Thank you for your supportive and helpful response to my Substance Use post in which I asked for advice from the children of alcoholics. I may have more to say/ask regarding that topic on the other board after I've had a little time to ponder the points made in the responses and to come up with any other questions I can think of.
> I am so very glad to have started this process. I worked myself up into a royal mess before this appointment. I left feeling for the first time ever, that I might be able to get better. I have never felt that with any treatments before.
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> When I drove home, I looked at the surroundings I passed by with entirely new eyes. Depression has literally given me tunnel vision. i take in all that is necessary and no more. Tonight I was able to see periphally again (maybe all those eyeball exercises) and take pleasure in what I saw.
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> I'm drained, but euphoric.
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Posted by Aphrodite on June 17, 2004, at 2:32:38
In reply to Positive EMDR experience, posted by partlycloudy on June 16, 2004, at 18:37:03
Glad to hear it! One of the most amazing things for me about EMDR is how you feel like you're in the experience again in "real-time." I think that can be very dangerous in wrong hands, but with great potential if done correctly. I'm glad it's given you a new set of lenses -- maybe your name will be Sunny soon!
I read recently that EMDR has really boomed since 9/11 because of its success in dealing with trauma rapidly.
Posted by partlycloudy on June 17, 2004, at 6:54:59
In reply to Positive EMDR experience, posted by partlycloudy on June 16, 2004, at 18:37:03
...I expected to wake up in the same funk I've been in for years. Instead, it kind of feels like I'm in love. That sounds so weird. I'm calm, at peace, feel secure, feel safe, I have been able to feel forgiveness for what seems like the first time in my life. Forgiveness of myself and others. I'm glad to have had someone to lead me back to myself.
I like this crazy voodoo.
Posted by tabitha on June 17, 2004, at 12:37:24
In reply to The next morning..., posted by partlycloudy on June 17, 2004, at 6:54:59
Wow. So do you keep going for more EMDR sessions now? Keep us posted. It's great to hear about a success.
Posted by partlycloudy on June 17, 2004, at 14:17:15
In reply to Re: The next morning... » partlycloudy, posted by tabitha on June 17, 2004, at 12:37:24
I have another session planned for 2 weeks from now. I tell you - my anxiety and panic symptoms have EVAPORATED without even thinking about it. I woke up fully expecting to feel the familiar leaden weight on my chest. And this feels nothing like being manic; it really feels like normalcy. I'm just so grateful that my T suggested something that brings all the efforts together: medication, my therapist, the support from Babble, and this treatment. I never understood the power of our minds over our bodies until yesterday. It's downright frightening.
I will keep you informed of how I'm doing.
Posted by beatrix34 on June 18, 2004, at 21:26:32
In reply to Re: The next morning... » tabitha, posted by partlycloudy on June 17, 2004, at 14:17:15
I too had a great experience with EMDR. I also felt at peace, and calm. I noticed an immediate change in the way that I dealt with various situations that would have otherwise triggered anxiety and anger. I find now that I am more easily able to brush off these feelings if the do in fact arise at all. It feels like freedom in certain aspects of my life.
I hope it continues to go well for you!
Posted by fires on June 19, 2004, at 21:51:57
In reply to Re: The next morning..., posted by beatrix34 on June 18, 2004, at 21:26:32
I'm glad some of you are doing so much better. I don't think your improvement was/is due to EMDR per se. Why?
Check out this link:
http://skepdic.com/emdr.htmlI've been criticized on other forums for posting info. contrary to what some say. I actually think that you and others here deserve, and should demand, to here all sides of an issue.
I believe that my posting of this link is a great service to this forum. I have continued to post, such links in spite of the fact that I've been verbally abused on other forums. Abuse has not fazed me.
I'm sure some will disagree. Please do, debate is good, but please be civil and don't resort to ad hominem attacks. Thank you. May peace be with you.
Sum ergo cogito
Posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 6:33:43
In reply to Re: The next morning..., posted by fires on June 19, 2004, at 21:51:57
Jumping in here again - I read this site before I started treatment. I was evaluated in 2 separate appointments before starting. I googled the therapist to whom I'd been referred. My take is that in the hands of an inexperienced T, that EMDR is not as effective. During my session I was carefully monitored for my emotional state, and we stopped and slowed down when I was overwhelmed or puzzled. It was completely within my power to cease and that's what made the EMDR so powerful. I was certainly advised of the possibility of feeling euphoria, and then it dissipating. Today (Sunday), I'm a bit more even mood wise, but very tired.
I remain feeling that for me, EMDR is the twine that ties the other modalities of treatment together and makes them effective.
Posted by TofuEmmy on June 20, 2004, at 8:48:01
In reply to Re: The next morning... » fires, posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 6:33:43
GREAT job doing your homework PC. I'm so glad you are having a good experience. Thank you for posting that! Emmy
Posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2004, at 12:44:12
In reply to Re: The next morning..., posted by fires on June 19, 2004, at 21:51:57
fires,
It's caring of you to want to share your knowledge in order for Babblers to be educated consumers. I'm not sure, though, that the opposing views are always missing or neglected, even if they don't appear in a thread. Many Babblers, as partlycloudy did, thoroughly check out new modalities before they undertake them. It's too important to just jump into a new type of therapy without knowing about it. And many Babblers post requests for information here if they are having trouble with research. You probably also noticed that we tend to be pretty honest about our experiences with a modality while trying to be supportive of others. "Your results may vary" is seen alot!You mentioned that you have been abused on other forums for posting this type of information. I sincerely hope you don't have that experience here, as Babble is generally a safe and supportive place. But I do wonder if perhaps some of the abuse in other places stemmed from posting info. that the other individual had already checked out?
Regards,
gg
Posted by Dinah on June 20, 2004, at 13:21:13
In reply to researching treatment » fires, posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2004, at 12:44:12
Babble is so lucky to have you.
Posted by Aphrodite on June 20, 2004, at 13:33:23
In reply to You are a treasure, and a real doll. :) » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on June 20, 2004, at 13:21:13
Posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 14:29:14
In reply to Re: The next morning... » fires, posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 6:33:43
I'm very curious as to what you or your T attribute the tiredness to? What did you do that would cause it?
Thank you
Posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 14:35:10
In reply to Re: The next morning..., posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 14:29:14
It's just been listed as a possible side effect. Personally I think it's related to the eyes mimicking the REM movement of sleep, and I'm seduced into sleep.
Posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 15:23:23
In reply to researching treatment » fires, posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2004, at 12:44:12
How am I to possibly know whether or not the other person has checked out my links? Also, many may be reading the posts who have never heard of the controversial nature of some of the therapies mentioned here. Like I've already mentioned the person can choose to not read my post and/or not click on my links. I see this forum somewhat like tv: you can always change the channel if you don't like what your watching, or you can shut your tv off entirely.
So far everyone one has been quite civil. :)
Thank you
Posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 15:28:40
In reply to Re: The next morning..., posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 14:35:10
So do Ts warn their patients not to drive after such treatments? I also wasn't aware that anyone had admitted that EMDR even had side effects. Can you provide me a link?
Thank you
Posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 16:29:41
In reply to Re: The next morning..., posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 15:28:40
Here's my personal experience: My EMDR therapist did not start treating me until she confirmed I practiced daily meditation; that I was surrounding myself with soothing sounds and music every day; that I was not eating any processed food. I was tested several times as to my committment to the treatment. Then, after the treatment, she confirmed that I was able to drive; and advised that I could have a delayed reaction, oversenstitivity, crying, anger, etc. She made certain I had her phone number handy (has 24-hour service), that of my T's, and my p-doc.
All I can say is that immediately following the treatment, I felt a great release of pressure, doubt, anxiety and fear. It was the absence of illness. It was exquisite.
I considered all the information I found (including searching here), and decided it could not hurt me.
Posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 16:47:01
In reply to Re: The next morning... » fires, posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 16:29:41
I'm sorry, but what does meditation, not eating processed foods, and soothing music have to do with EMDR? Do all the EMDR people tell patients to do/not do those things?
BTW, everything we eat is "processed" in some way, unless you are growing your own fruits and veggies and not washing them off in water before eating.
Thank you
Posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 17:32:11
In reply to Re: The next morning..., posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 16:47:01
I don't care to discuss this further with you.
Posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 18:59:36
In reply to Re: The next morning... » fires, posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 17:32:11
OK.
Thanks
Posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2004, at 22:51:02
In reply to I second Dinah's motion about GG! (nm), posted by Aphrodite on June 20, 2004, at 13:33:23
Posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2004, at 22:58:13
In reply to Re: researching treatment, posted by fires on June 20, 2004, at 15:23:23
fires,
Of course you can't know whether or not everyone has read your posts. Just like you can't know what kind of background or research someone has done before undertaking their own therapy. I know I have nowhere near the time it would take to read every post on every thread. I would be surprised if the majority of babblers had that amount of time. I tend to look for subjects that interest me or that answer some question I have. If I post something, I just assume that others follow a similar approach, and thus not everyone will read my post. And certainly among those who do, not everyone will agree with me. I've learned a lot from listening to diverse experiences and beliefs here.Regards,
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2004, at 23:02:29
In reply to Re: The next morning..., posted by partlycloudy on June 20, 2004, at 14:35:10
pc,
I know after many sessions, I feel really drained. The intensity of the emotions I process with my T (it's an emotion-focused psychodynamic therapy) just really takes a lot out of me. Sometimes I just feel like mush. My T asks me if I am headed to Starbuck's afterwards. It's a thing I do to try to regroup. I usually feel better later in the day, or by the next day, especially after sleeping.
Good luck with continued treatment!gg
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