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Posted by DaisyM on December 13, 2003, at 19:27:25
Just spent the afternoon with 50 little children with special needs frosting cookies, making ornaments and seeing Santa.
THAT was the best therapy I've had in a long time. They are so cute and so excited. I look at them and their struggles and their parents and see their smiles, this is what the season is about. I'm glad I was reminded.
Posted by Dinah on December 13, 2003, at 20:28:01
In reply to Reality Therapy , posted by DaisyM on December 13, 2003, at 19:27:25
That sounds like a wonderful experience, Daisy. It's so easy to forget that there is more to this season than...
My son is starting to get excited and I'm trying to get excited with him. He finished his letter to Santa. The letter part consisted of "Dear Santa, here are the 46 things I want for Christmas." lol. Maybe he needs a bit of that reality therapy, too.
Thanks for sharing. :)
Posted by Karen_kay on December 13, 2003, at 22:37:32
In reply to Reality Therapy , posted by DaisyM on December 13, 2003, at 19:27:25
Wow! On my way to get coffee before therapy I pass a sign that reads "Want to stand in the cold and ring a bell?" It is for the Salvation Army. I really want to do just that... I think I might... It tempts me every time.
How great it must feel to see the holidays from a different perspective. I really think I am going to call this time.
Posted by biogurl on December 14, 2003, at 12:47:55
In reply to Reality Therapy , posted by DaisyM on December 13, 2003, at 19:27:25
> Just spent the afternoon with 50 little children with special needs frosting cookies, making ornaments and seeing Santa.
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> THAT was the best therapy I've had in a long time. They are so cute and so excited. I look at them and their struggles and their parents and see their smiles, this is what the season is about. I'm glad I was reminded.I'm a college student and for a part time job, I work in after school day care(w/~50 kids).
These children are not special needs children but whenever I am feeling down and I go to work, they never fail to make me happy and forget my troubles. I love helping kids make simple little gifts that they can give to their parents for Christmas. They are always so excited that they can actually give something to their parents.
Kids are GREAT! I can't wait until I can have a few of my own.
Posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 14:06:07
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy , posted by Karen_kay on December 13, 2003, at 22:37:32
hmm, i think the salvation army has some screwed up politics. like, they're homophobic or something. that bothers me, but maybe not you.
still, i think community service is a great idea for anyone.
> Wow! On my way to get coffee before therapy I pass a sign that reads "Want to stand in the cold and ring a bell?" It is for the Salvation Army. I really want to do just that... I think I might... It tempts me every time.
> How great it must feel to see the holidays from a different perspective. I really think I am going to call this time.
Posted by Karen_kay on December 14, 2003, at 16:11:19
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy » Karen_kay, posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 14:06:07
> hmm, i think the salvation army has some screwed up politics. like, they're homophobic or something. that bothers me, but maybe not you.
<<Really, where did you hear that? I hadn't heard that.... If I had I might reconsider...
Posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 16:15:22
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy » crushedout, posted by Karen_kay on December 14, 2003, at 16:11:19
> > hmm, i think the salvation army has some screwed up politics. like, they're homophobic or something. that bothers me, but maybe not you.
>
> <<Really, where did you hear that? I hadn't heard that.... If I had I might reconsider...
>i can't remember exactly, but i used to work in gay rights and i think it was something that came up at my work. i'm pretty sure they're right wing. but they also do good things for poor people, so it's kind of a toss-up. if i were you though, i'd pick a different organization. or maybe look into it first.
Posted by Dinah on December 14, 2003, at 17:14:30
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy » crushedout, posted by Karen_kay on December 14, 2003, at 16:11:19
http://www1.salvationarmy.org/www_ind.nsf/0/1275A4541C2CC86C80256CBA0028A203?openDocument
Posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 17:19:30
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy » Karen_kay, posted by Dinah on December 14, 2003, at 17:14:30
> http://www1.salvationarmy.org/www_ind.nsf/0/1275A4541C2CC86C80256CBA0028A203?openDocument
well, that's enough to turn ME off of them. how about you? i'm not really willing to be celibate for the rest of my life. argh. people. stupid. why?
thanks for doing the research karen kay! it's good to know exactly why it was i didn't like them.
Posted by Dinah on December 14, 2003, at 17:31:17
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy » Dinah, posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 17:19:30
I didn't mean it in a positive or negative way. Just allowing the Salvation Army to present their own position in their own way.
A lot of religious organizations do a lot of good, and the Salvation Army is a religious organization. Their position doesn't appear to be dissimilar to that of many other religious organizations? Of course, much more talk about religious organizations and we'll be rerouted to PB Faith.
Isn't there also a website that gives the breakdown of program spending for the different charities? Giving just isn't as easy as it used to be. I saw one solicitation from an organization whose name I don't recall that said that 8% of its revenues went to program services. It kind of looked like they had been court ordered to disclose that, from the way it was worded.
Posted by Dinah on December 14, 2003, at 17:38:23
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy » crushedout, posted by Dinah on December 14, 2003, at 17:31:17
http://www.smartmoney.com/theagenda/index.cfm?story=december02
Posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 17:44:43
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy » crushedout, posted by Dinah on December 14, 2003, at 17:31:17
oh dinah. i thought that was from karen. whoops.well, see, i find that position offensive, even though i know a lot of religious orgs agree. so i hold it against them, just as i would hold it against any religion that told me i couldn't have sex!
but yeah, we should be careful. we're getting into hairy territory here.
> I didn't mean it in a positive or negative way. Just allowing the Salvation Army to present their own position in their own way.
>
> A lot of religious organizations do a lot of good, and the Salvation Army is a religious organization. Their position doesn't appear to be dissimilar to that of many other religious organizations? Of course, much more talk about religious organizations and we'll be rerouted to PB Faith.
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> Isn't there also a website that gives the breakdown of program spending for the different charities? Giving just isn't as easy as it used to be. I saw one solicitation from an organization whose name I don't recall that said that 8% of its revenues went to program services. It kind of looked like they had been court ordered to disclose that, from the way it was worded.
Posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 17:51:14
In reply to Re: Reality Therapy, posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 17:44:43
i sort of regret bringing this up, because i'm not sure politics are really appropriate in this forum, and i have VERY strong feelings about this sort of thing.on a lighter note, this reminds me of a seinfeld episode where elaine tells seinfeld he shouldn't eat domino's pizza cuz they're anti-choice, and seinfeld's like, "well, have you asked mario (or whatever the guy's name is who owns the local italian restaurant) what his position on abortion is?" and she's like, "no." and he's like, "so maybe he's anti-choice and you shouldn't eat there." you know, just pointing out the absurdity of trying to make all of your consumer decisions based on politics.
[don't you love the way i write: "so he's like...and then she's like....."!?! i sound like i'm 14. (i'm not!)]
> oh dinah. i thought that was from karen. whoops.
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> well, see, i find that position offensive, even though i know a lot of religious orgs agree. so i hold it against them, just as i would hold it against any religion that told me i couldn't have sex!
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> but yeah, we should be careful. we're getting into hairy territory here.
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> > I didn't mean it in a positive or negative way. Just allowing the Salvation Army to present their own position in their own way.
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> > A lot of religious organizations do a lot of good, and the Salvation Army is a religious organization. Their position doesn't appear to be dissimilar to that of many other religious organizations? Of course, much more talk about religious organizations and we'll be rerouted to PB Faith.
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> > Isn't there also a website that gives the breakdown of program spending for the different charities? Giving just isn't as easy as it used to be. I saw one solicitation from an organization whose name I don't recall that said that 8% of its revenues went to program services. It kind of looked like they had been court ordered to disclose that, from the way it was worded.
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Posted by Dinah on December 14, 2003, at 18:04:47
In reply to eek and a lighter note, posted by crushedout on December 14, 2003, at 17:51:14
lol. Yeah, and then her boyfriend turned out to have a position she didn't care for? Something like that...
Posted by Karen_kay on December 15, 2003, at 6:49:33
In reply to Re: eek and a lighter note » crushedout, posted by Dinah on December 14, 2003, at 18:04:47
Guess I'll revisit before allowing the conversation to end.. Thanks for informing me everyone. I won't be ringing the bell. But, I do think I will continue to add my change at the grocery. That article turned me off completely, but the sense of well-being I gain from contributing my pocket change keeps me shoving my hand in my pocket. I guess I think more about the people standing in the cold and the people it helps more than the actual group affiliated with distributing the funds, as much as I dislike their politics. The Seinfeld scenario put things in perspective a bit! Thanks for the research!
Posted by DaisyM on December 15, 2003, at 11:13:41
In reply to One final comment, posted by Karen_kay on December 15, 2003, at 6:49:33
As the Director of a nonprofit, I can tell you that it all helps someone. It is important, I think, to make your choices count towards the ones you would like to help personally. I work with little kids (0-5) but personally I give my time to JDA because both my son and hubby have Diabetes -- and I recruit volunteers for both like crazy!!
There really aren't very many nonprofits who are in it for themselves. It is too much heartbreaking work and too little money...there are easier ways to take advantage of people and systems if that is your goal.
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