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Posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 3:01:06
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on November 7, 2018, at 18:41:27
>the lack of a sharp rebuke of trump is worse than I imagined.
Was that the point? That one group of Americans wish to insult each other? When I listen to Mark Blyth or hear of some older woman who has a self-described 'abnormal love' for Trump, this comes to mind.
Here is David Byrne singing about it 40 years ago. (Do you think?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUrNrZqb1kw
And all this wretched whatever it is (we are close to identity politics?) obscures the similarities of interests......living wage, healthcare, cheaper education, rolling back the wars. The left has a lot more in common with the right than it does with the centre. I don't know how long it will take for corporate Democrats to learn. Or do you agree with Cenk, that they are paid to lose?
Talking along these lines 'white genocide' seems just around the corner.
You remember in the 60s there were a whole batch of musos who went all over the centre and the south, and on the whole, they wrote with generosity, I think. Nothing like that now.
Posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 3:07:24
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » beckett2, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 3:01:06
Anyway, you have heard it all before. You can't pay attention to identity politics of your economic policy destroys jobs. I recall Obama and Clinton saying that they would all get better jobs.
There is more light/difference between the Democratic and the Republican Parties now?
Posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 3:46:14
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 3:07:24
people make money off people being uneducated.
that's why the push for that.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 3:49:25
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 3:46:14
many men do not want women to know how to prevent pregnancy
and so on...
many people do not want women to know that there are medications to induce miscarrage, too.
they'd rather their med students practice procedures.
the former is a little more of the giving the power back to the women thing. the later is more... repeating whatever it was that got her into that mess in the first place.
tis a nasty business.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 3:58:27
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 3:49:25
It's like those old videos where you have white people vising some place... And all the little kids run out and want to touch them and climb all over them because they are a novelty.
there's no sense of personal space, at all. They just grab and hold on and clambour over.
That's what it feels like, here.
Outside the overcrowded lecture theatres in Auckland for Health Science First Year courses. LIke... 700+ students all milling about. Physically bumping into each other tee hee! There's no sense of personal space.
Trying to swim, or whatever. Grocery shop. People always have some pretense / excuse for touching you. Bumping into you. Bouncing off one another all the time. There's no sense of personal space, at all.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 4:41:37
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 3:58:27
I suspect the UK has taken over the Med testing because the Aussies started doing what is oh so prevalent here...
Taking the piss out of the situation.
What do I mean?
Well...
There was a whole book about the test. A well written book. As you would expect, given how much money we pay for the test. You would expect them to have editors, and the like.
In the section on 'disability' there was a typographical error. Like... They didn't bother writing that section properly.
They asked for information... That year they asked about what secondary school you went to (whether it was a private australian or whether it was a public / New Zealand school). It was clear all New Zealanders (including those from our private schools) were considered to be on a par with the public Australians as far as they were concerned.
That year they also asked whether you had purchased or attended any other preparation material.
I suppose I got disability accommodations, that year.
It turned out that the way that works is that a particular dignosis means you are 'entitled' to a particular accommodatin. So.. For Autism Spectrum you get a smaller testing room (I think up to 10 people or something like that) and... 10 minutes for every hour. Or something like that.
I didn't know what to do about any of that, honestly. But it was done.
So... When I sat the UMAT next time (without requesting accommodations) I guess... They had to give me a slightly lower score this time, because I had less time. Right?
But then... What about all the study preparation I did for it this time that I didn't do last time?
And what about their f*ck*d up questions this time? They asked what gender we were... And then they asked a bunch of questions that mentioned or used 'statistics' in the question.
We pay them for the privaledge of sitting this test, remember.
It is used to decide who gets to study Medicine.
What is this... Psychology from the 60's because we haven't managed to learn it yet?
?
?
?
what the f*ck.
Where does the money go?
Posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 5:27:57
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 4:41:37
of course i realise that the NHS is in trouble... the government is wanting to reduce spending to them and that can't be good i would imagine... i don't imagine healthcare would get cheaper, all of a sudden. it must mean (i would think) that they have decided that the thing should / will take a dive...
and of course...
the queen and so on isn't getting healthcare from the NHS. clearly. so there must be some kind of private system going on.
and what is perhaps scarier about that is that it isn't talked of, at all.
whereas at least in the US it is clear to everyone (the world over) that there is such a thing. that it costs a great deal. that it can be problematic if people want every freaking test under the sun (that that might not be in their best interests, even). that insurance companies paying is a kind of waver to privacy / confidentiality (if you want to go that way). that access is a genuine issue / problem / thing. a genuine thing.
we just redefine 'access' so it's that people have access to the patient. the patients organs and tissues and genetic information. that's what better access means. it's not for the good of the patient. it's a taking the piss kind of irony that has us believe cuts can be cut and access can be improved.
thus far...
the US has given me a curriculum. something that seems worthwhile learning.
i know it's just the start and probably more fool me... but it's the best i've been offered thus far. Australia: my hard work didn't pay off. i don't know if it was that they pre-judged me or what... it's possible there is some master plan where what i'm told and what my school is told are two differnet things (or whatever). who knows... they say you can't compare your score from year to year but your percentile place from year to year can be compared, surely...
anyway... England moving in... the restructure of the NHS... i'm suspicious.
maybe they do want to get us thinking further afield than Australia.
I am concerned I won't end up with a quiet place to study.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 6:40:16
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 5:27:57
something about how the best defence is a good offence.
Trump is fairly offensive.
The rest of the world is on the defensive.
If that makes sense.Our last Prime Minister should have been seen as offensive by his own people long before he was.
It got really very bad, indeed.
I mean, he was pulling the pig-tails of waitresses, and so on...Our current avatair doesn't make any more sense / coherance than Trump, however.
Sure she gave birth to her baby in the hospital renowned for sexual abuses of infants. Sure, sure, sure she did. And is her baby's blood in storage in the basement right there with the rest of the Nations?
It's just not the slightest little bit plausible, at all.
Posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 8:35:41
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 3:46:14
Some people, yes. Betsy deVos? But not the overall society. Well, the idea of a Commonwealth has been under attack for most of my life. These people are the morbid symptoms of which Gramsci wrote... The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.
If we take this to its logical extreme where 1 or 2 families own (say) 95% of everything no one will have any money to buy their products.
Posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 8:38:41
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 4:41:37
For a US visa they ask 'Are you a terrorist?'
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:27:42
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 3:07:24
> Anyway, you have heard it all before. You can't pay attention to identity politics of your economic policy destroys jobs. I recall Obama and Clinton saying that they would all get better jobs.
>
> There is more light/difference between the Democratic and the Republican Parties now?Not to insult, but to point out, this is b*llsh*t and we know it.
Then I learn two winning incumbents have pending felon charges. Will they serve their constituents from prison?
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:34:05
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 1:45:53
Omg, lane issues. I remember that from when I swam in a huge indoor pool at the YMCA. That and there was a rooftop track, and some people would run the opposite direction to the rules. Swimming with 6+ people in your lane and in the adjacent lanes. Oh well, it was a crowded city.
I just read that Auckland is in the top ten most expensive cities to live.
>do american people have guidelines on teaching / learning or...
I think there is, but standards vary from school, meaning the meeting of those standards vary.
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:40:30
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » alexandra_k, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 8:38:41
> For a US visa they ask 'Are you a terrorist?'
Apparently our terrorist quota is full atm. Today 13 dies in a night club shooting in Southern California. He was a gunner in afghanistan. The sheriff on the scene said, "Dean alluded to these earlier attacks, saying the carnage in Borderline is part of the horrors that are happening in our country and everywhere, and I think its impossible to put any logic or any sense to the senseless.
When asked by a reporter what it looked like inside the venue, Dean responded: Like hell.
No Country for Old Men.
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:45:32
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:40:30
The past 24 hours have been insane here.
Trump has lost it. The WH released altered videos.
But there is this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/08/year-old-man-asks-be-declared-claiming-age-is-fluid-gender/?utm_term=.28e98673f05e
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:52:50
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 8:35:41
Have you seen this book? http://a.co/d/4drDfCg
The Majority Report mentioned it. I'll never get to it--but it looks interesting.
There is also a conversation at The Intercept podcast with Chris Hedges. https://theintercept.com/2018/11/07/chris-hedges-on-elections-christian-fascists-and-the-rot-within-the-american-system/?campaign=homepage-podcast-intercepted
Maybe you've seen it.
Posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 15:27:17
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:27:42
>Not to insult, but to point out, this is b*llsh*t and we know it.
You mean there is NO difference with the corporates?
We are so fortunate. For all of its faults the ALP and the Greens are different.
Posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 15:30:18
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:40:30
Somehow the wars come home.
I was really shocked to see tanks or was it armoured vehicles on the streets of Ferguson under Obama.
Well, really, he was groomed for his future from a long time back? No idea by whom. Citibank?
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 15:31:05
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 15:27:17
> >Not to insult, but to point out, this is b*llsh*t and we know it.
>
> You mean there is NO difference with the corporates?
>
> We are so fortunate. For all of its faults the ALP and the Greens are different.I'm not sure I understand. I'm not strictly talking of reps vs dems if that's what corporates are.
AU is much better off, agreed.
Posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 15:33:48
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 13:52:50
Not the book which seems interesting.
But Hedges, most probably, I've heard just about everything of his.
I want to look up his ordination ceremony on youtube. He was talking about it somewhere.
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 15:40:40
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 15:30:18
> Somehow the wars come home.
>
> I was really shocked to see tanks or was it armoured vehicles on the streets of Ferguson under Obama.
>
> Well, really, he was groomed for his future from a long time back? No idea by whom. Citibank?I don't know, but he's disappointing. As much as I find him charming and intelligent. He looks frightened now, while he was out stumping recently. I feel sad. Like, yup, we're really in the sh*ts.
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 15:44:23
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » beckett2, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 15:33:48
I would care much less except for our climate. There just isn't the time. Just recently I heard someone (my mind is scrambled from input--sorry) that they find comfort in history. I thought of you. I wish I could because I am thinking the jig is up. I think about this all the time. Literally. Which is why I was diagnosed with GAD. Lyrica is the only thing that seems to keep my thoughts from swimming.
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 15:45:40
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » beckett2, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 15:33:48
After my child was born, I realized how real everything is. Does that make sense?
Posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 15:48:22
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by beckett2 on November 8, 2018, at 15:45:40
I'm sorry. I feel really cranked up atm.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 18:06:05
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 8:35:41
> If we take this to its logical extreme where 1 or 2 families own (say) 95% of everything no one will have any money to buy their products.
people will always have to have a little money / a line of credit with which to purchase (even only temporary access to) the resources they need.
but all the money / line of credit they have will go to those families and those families will have control over all of the resources.
we have what feels an awful lot like a false economy in nz. think about the people on welfare, for a minute.
all of their money goes to:
- rent
- power
- transport (bus, car maintenence / repairs and gas)
- food (one of the major supermarkets of which i do believe there are 2)
- clothes
- phone / internet (telecommunications)and that's about it and they are struggling to purchase those things.
it is typically not really possible for them to locate local producers and / or get to the location where they are...
the exisence of inferior goods (pots and pans and vaccums and washing machines and jeans made in sweatshops with carcinogenic dye and so on)... and the exisence of welfare as teh source of the money / line of credit means they are forced for all their money to go to these things...
power companies vary. one doesn't require a contract and tehy sign you up same day. that would be the one for the people on welfare. then you have the ones that will sign you up for a contract down teh track... then you have thee ones who want to do a whole credit history check and the like before connecting you...
how much does every individual pay for power?
insurance?just so long as every individual thinks they are getting some magical cheap rate so they better keep their mouth shut of tehy will be kicked back to... being ripped off
all the money comes in... all the money goes straight back out...
there are only a few businesses in charge of most things.
or, they'd certainly try and have everyone believe it.look at how they keep their people?
i just keep thinking how cognitvely short-sighted they are... how miserable their lives must be really. all the human uniqueness and creativity. genuine laughter and happiness. all the voluntary mutually beneficial interactions... all prevented. all upset. because these demented people prefer to be head of some hierarchy of rubbish.
only...
there's plenty of people living amongst that who would do similarly if hteir circumstances were reversed. so...
what ya gonna do?
Posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2018, at 18:09:42
In reply to Re: one of my favorite FDOTM » alexandra_k, posted by sigismund on November 8, 2018, at 8:38:41
> For a US visa they ask 'Are you a terrorist?'
There is a reason for that. My understanding of US law is fairly limited...
It has something to do with them being able to detain you / charge you / deport you for good reason to believe you LIED on that form...
Apparently there are problems with the legality of those things, otherwise.
I don't understand more than that.
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