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Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:37:24

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:31:56

You can see it on Fox, to which I am fairly unexposed. The jaw line of O'Reilly, the straight blond hair of all the fascist young women, the glass desks, just made for bl*w j*bs out of sight.

After Las Vegas he said 'This is the price of freedom'

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:38:29

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:37:24

Surely anyone would draw the line at Roger?

 

Re: Paul Jay » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 22:56:28

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:31:56

I always thought it was greed. Doesn't that make people crazy? To be greedy is to be willing to deny someone else, and that is cruel.

Climate deniers are liars.

Who is Roger?

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 23:23:48

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:38:29

"The world might be broken, but it can be repaired. We are all born with human dignity." Jeff Rosen concluding his TED Talk on Germany.. His parents were camp survivors. True or not, I feel better hearing him say this.

 

Re: Paul Jay » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 23:50:40

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:31:56

> >Smart in many ways-- if it can be done without the cruelty.
>
> Oh no, we do both and punch above our weight en nuestra fortaleza imperialista. We have ministers to match, a small l PM who made his money deforesting the Solomon Islands. Cruelty is not a side effect, cruelty is the point, as long as we can convince ourselves it is to be kind. They say they don't believe in climate change but strict attention is being paid to the borders. What is it about anglo saxon culture that it so highly values cruelty? It might be Murdoch and the shock jocks I guess. I come from Qld, Dutton is a Red Hill drug squad cop with, as his mother said, a 'strong sense of right and wrong'. A punisher and a straightener.
>
> Maybe I was wrong about Bolton, the right to carry arms and Russia. Looks like the money may have flowed through the NRA. If they think toddlers should be armed, why not the left and all the minorities?
>
> Once in a lifetime this. Once will have been enough.

I wasn't referring to refugees. The US has cut refugee status. Families separated at our borders asked for refugee status, which our laws allow for. The US broke it's own laws and procedures to do this and deny refugees' rights. Central America is in a terrible state.

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 14:41:54

In reply to Re: Paul Jay » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 22:56:28

Here's Roger and Rupert together. Rupert is looking human. But it won't let me copy the link.

Roger Ailes was the head of Fox. Remember? Another one of those sex things.


Halfway down this page is a drawing of the inner Rupert.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/?utm_source=htsp&utm_medium=user_bar&utm_campaign=user_bar

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 14:54:53

In reply to Re: Paul Jay » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 23:50:40

Well, at least AMLO won, that was something. Hilary Clinton green lighting the coup in Honduras wasn't. I did enjoy "Sicario". Neoliberal policies in Central America plus DEA aid. I forget what Meridia is. Guatemala has been genocidal my entire life now. I think, but am not sure, that Fidel Castro and Gabriel Garcia Marquez were in the same city in 52 when the first coup happened. Where though?

That was a typical move. Give the children their legal due, but make it as painful as possible, then blame it on the Democratic Party.

That is political debate these days, here as well.

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 14:59:36

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 23:23:48

Well, it was broken by people so people can fix it, if they can figure out what has to be done and cooperate.

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 15:41:18

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 14:59:36

All over the world.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oehNwdslCX8&frags=pl%2Cwn

 

Re: Paul Jay » beckett2

Posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:39:40

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 19:50:39

> Hello Alex and Sigi, how are you?

I am good. Busy. But good.

I am learning to swim. I have just learned about Misty Hymen's (real name???) fish tail underwater swim and I'm fairly inspired about becoming a beast in the pool.

> I see AU is further limiting immigration. Smart in many ways-- if it can be done without the cruelty.

Yeah, that's probably true.

> I would live in AU or NZ in a heartbeat, as much as I love CA.

I don't know where I would most like to live, if I had options. I guess it would depend on more particular features. The particular house and my particular commute and so on. I have enough trouble thinking where in NZ I would like to live given options. I think I would like to experience more of overseas. A change is actually quite nice. The US was a bit of a culture shock for me. Strangely... You know how people say 'Seasons' is one of the best expansions for the Sims because of how it is such a significant qualitative change to the game play that makes it so much more realisltic...

Well... Seasons... We simply don't got 'em.

And our holidays are whacky and out of synch and simply don't make sense because of that.

And the lack of tips makes for AWFUL customer service.

Yep.

But I'm sure my complaints about city living ain't got nothing on the complaints about city living I could well have when it came to Sydney or lots of different American cities or LA or NY. So...

> WA State, which looks like NZ in some areas.

Uh oh. Where's that?

Wisconsin?

I'm a lot hazy on US geography. Some people brought me some good american cheese, though, just to show me that it could be done. And I saw some AMAZING organic avocados out of California...

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:40:11

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 5:35:22

> Move to a third world country where lack of advanced health care leads to a faster deliverance.

That's what happened to my Father, right here. Dx lung cancer. Dead in a few months.

I have wondered why we haven't gone into health-tourism. I mean, tourism is a such a big deal, here. You think we could sell skiing / abortion holidays. Or similar...

The article about 'trauma' was interesting.

I think there is a lot of truth to it -- but I think it is probably not the whole / full story.

There used to be... Probably still are... Cases of people who have the resources they need / access to the things they need... But do experience mental health issues. Like how... Wealthy and clean living and basically healthy people sometimes do get rare forms of cancer and the like. Get mowed down by buses, or whatever. Not the majority of people or cases, to be sure. But, uh, those were supposed to be the cases that medicine was about. It is just that other things.. Legislation etc has failed to protect the people... Lack of access to healthy food etc... People are trying to grow their rest home businesses etc...

The Trump busker was hilarious.


 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:59:14

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:40:11

https://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/features/the-kilkenny-workhouse-mass-burials-an-archaeology-of-the-great-irish-famine.htm

Differnet countries have different laws on who is allowed to study skeletal remains. How much time needs to have passed, I mean.

I think it is partly about giving medicine (pathologists) the opportunity (though perhaps that's not the right word) to recover recoverables like implanted devices, and the like...

But it is interesting that a few of teh workhouse buildings were handed over to district health boards.

If you find skeletal remains at a building site you need to get a determination on whether the remains are likely human and how long ago they deseased in order to determine whether the issue is forensic (medicine, pathology) or bio-archeological (so non-medical researchers are allowed to study them)

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:19:20

In reply to Re: Paul Jay » beckett2, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:39:40

We are locking up NZ teenagers I see. Have we put any on Manus yet? Why not? Why discriminate?

I would like to be reading the Op Eds in the Dominion Times.

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:22:13

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:19:20

>The Trump busker was hilarious.

You are familiar with Blink182 and the Wiz Khalifa? You don't want a deficiency or a blockage of those.

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:34:04

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:40:11

I forget what I have read, but every day new chemicals are created, and tons of existing ones are distributed.

Even 300 years ago so much mercury was used at Potosí in Bolivia extracting the silver that it was to be found in glacier cores from then in Patagonia recently. I'm never surprised when people get cancer.

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 17:51:06

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:34:04

In case you don't know......

https://www.google.com.au/maps/search/manus+narou+new+guinea/@-2.1026136,142.4862601,6z

 

Re: Paul Jay » alexandra_k

Posted by beckett2 on July 20, 2018, at 19:36:12

In reply to Re: Paul Jay » beckett2, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:39:40

Hi Alex, WA s Washington State, on the Pacific north coast.

What's Sims?

I didn't know you visited the US. Where did you visit?

And I don't know about that fishtail. Swimming is one of the best exercises. I swam in college, but wrecked both shoulders and neck. The neck was from reckless dancing :/ My core strength was never great, and I'm too flexible. Not realizing this until years later, I guess I would overextend into any sport, damaging my joints. Wheee!

Are you still lifting?

 

Re: Paul Jay » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on July 20, 2018, at 19:44:58

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 15:41:18

> All over the world.......
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oehNwdslCX8&frags=pl%2Cwn

Beautiful, down to the gold foil hair. Paul Simon's The Boxer. Gorgeous sad song. I can cry almost anytime I hear it. Because the last stanza :,(


 

Re: Paul Jay » alexandra_k

Posted by beckett2 on July 20, 2018, at 20:13:31

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:40:11

> > Move to a third world country where lack of advanced health care leads to a faster deliverance.
>
> That's what happened to my Father, right here. Dx lung cancer. Dead in a few months.
>

My dad had mesothelioma. But he had good care and lived with it longer than said. Important was hospice that helped him die comfortably.


There is health tourism, yes? (Maybe I'm mid-conversation.) We might have more abortion holidays here if our Roe V Wade is overturned (rights to an abortion). (Our Supreme Court has outgrown it's usefulness the way it is set up.)

I've heard of plastic surgery tourism. Being from the US, plastic surgery is popular, and people take vacations in Singapore and Brazil (no one I know!) Frankly, when I see a UK celebrity, I love the crooked teeth. Lovely actually. Another thing about the States. Everyone is supposed to have their picture taken laughing, with shiny teeth. Especially our Republican Party, laughing hyenas: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/13/1756864/-Breaking-Paul-Ryan-Endorses-Kevin-McCarthy-to-Succeed-Him-as-Speaker

I miss 19th century portraits before people learned to smile for the camera.

 

Re: Paul Jay » alexandra_k

Posted by beckett2 on July 20, 2018, at 20:16:09

In reply to Re: Paul Jay » beckett2, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:39:40

Alex, p.s. I've only lived in the states. I'd like to travel before things (or myself) crumble. Wanderlust.

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 22:52:53

In reply to Re: Paul Jay » alexandra_k, posted by beckett2 on July 20, 2018, at 20:16:09

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/21/its-the-australian-values-test-for-new-immigrants-get-it-right-or-get-in-the-van

We have always had good cartoonists.

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by sigismund on July 21, 2018, at 14:39:16

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 22:52:53

Perhaps Trump is trying to detach Russia from China? Then war with Iran? Or even the Bannon thing of a war between Christian Civilisation and the Chinese. Just before the next presidential election, the Iranians need to be provoked to attack, perhaps Israel.

 

Re: Paul Jay » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on July 21, 2018, at 14:50:07

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 21, 2018, at 14:39:16

> Perhaps Trump is trying to detach Russia from China? Then war with Iran? Or even the Bannon thing of a war between Christian Civilisation and the Chinese. Just before the next presidential election, the Iranians need to be provoked to attack, perhaps Israel.

The above is totally over my pay grade. There is a weird thing going on between the US, Russia and China. Isreal and Iran. What would be the benefit of war with Iran? It can't be oil?

Bannon is both interesting and disgusting and malignant. From Breitbart and the Mercers to the WH. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYysrAg8Yf0

So really, why Iran?

 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by beckett2 on July 21, 2018, at 15:10:28

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 22:52:53

> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/21/its-the-australian-values-test-for-new-immigrants-get-it-right-or-get-in-the-van
>
> We have always had good cartoonists.

Most excellent. I have a supporting 'subscription', one I suppose ofr the many Americans crazed by the election. I couldn't afford an additional subscription, so their offer is very kind.

First Dog on the Moon (does 'on' get capitalized?) is fun, which is very important these days. Loved 'country'. Manus Island is heartbreaking. What is the official function? Is it for refugees waiting for asylum hearings?

Right now, zero tolerance seems to be not allowing people to even ask for asylum. Plus language is a barrier http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-mayan-indigenous-languages-20160725-snap-story.html

The tragedy and outrage is the US hand in destabilizing Central America. Trump loves to blame the victim. As does Stephen Miller.

In case you haven't seen it, but you likely have. The cartoon brings it to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L0JLWM4xTQ&frags=pl%2Cwn

For good measure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbx1uArVOM&frags=pl%2Cwn

I know you've watched it, so feel free to ignore.


 

Re: Paul Jay

Posted by beckett2 on July 21, 2018, at 15:22:41

In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by beckett2 on July 21, 2018, at 15:10:28

She mentions Anthony Bourdain. That still hurts.


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