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Posted by Beckett on February 3, 2012, at 4:11:16
In reply to Joe Bageant, posted by sigismund on January 25, 2012, at 20:01:58
Here is what I see as a contradictory message from the last State of the Union Address concerning domestic fracking. That we can achieve clean fracking. This and other contradictory statements left me very confused:
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We have a supply of natural gas that can last America nearly 100 years. And my administration will take every possible action to safely develop this energy. Experts believe this will support more than 600,000 jobs by the end of the decade. And Im requiring all companies that drill for gas on public lands to disclose the chemicals they use, because America will develop this resource without putting the health and safety of our citizens at risk. The development of natural gas will create jobs and power trucks and factories that are cleaner and cheaper, proving that we dont have to choose between our environment and our economy. And by the way, it was public research dollars, over the course of 30 years, that helped develop the technologies to extract all this natural gas out of shale rock, reminding us that government support is critical in helping businesses get new energy ideas off the ground.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/2/2/obamas_support_for_natural_gas_drilling
The democracy now transcript mentions that Australia has had flammable water as well. From fracking?
Posted by Beckett on February 3, 2012, at 4:36:11
In reply to Joe Bageant, posted by sigismund on January 25, 2012, at 20:01:58
http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/niedecker/poems.html
FORECLOSURETell em to take my bare walls down
my cement abutments
their parties thereof
and clause of clawsLeave me the land
Scratch out: the landMay prose and property both die out
and leave me peace
Posted by sigismund on February 3, 2012, at 19:44:32
In reply to Fracking, posted by Beckett on February 3, 2012, at 4:11:16
>Well, virtually every Republican candidate right now is out for elimination of the EPA, which shows the deep, deep influence of oil and gas on Congress and on the Republican Party.
Australia is a dry continent. There are many regions that will not be able to function if the groundwater goes. Successive governments have readily granted exploration licences. State Labor governments mainly. Prime farming land and heritage areas should be treated with greater care.
The choicest bit, in the US rather than here, is the way pro-drilling is somehow linked to Christianity and moral values. This kind of overreach normally leads to disaster. Wanton and shameless. Certainly not conservative. I can listen to real conservatives. I heard Roger Scruton yesterday. He was fine.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Green-Philosophy-Think-Seriously-Planet/dp/1848870760
Posted by Beckett on February 3, 2012, at 21:41:11
In reply to Re: Fracking, posted by sigismund on February 3, 2012, at 19:44:32
That looks good. I think it's being released in the US under this title: http://www.amazon.com/Think-Seriously-About-Planet-Environmental/dp/0199895570/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_3
I am beginning to understand what you have previously mentioned regarding conservatism vs the conservatism linked to the religious right here. To me they have always been intertwined. I am finding the Bageant book helpful toward this end.
I haven't heard of Scruton. I wish I could read more efficiently. I do much better with audiobooks.
Posted by sigismund on February 4, 2012, at 1:19:18
In reply to Re: Fracking » sigismund, posted by Beckett on February 3, 2012, at 21:41:11
Well, Scruton is English, although now with the American Enterprise Institute (I think). But I like him. (I wonder if he is a little like William F Buckley? Though less culture warish.) It is a conservatism that goes back to Edmund Burke. Joe Bageant is just brilliant.
Who says we are 20 years behind? Listen to this
ttps://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/mining/monckton/monckton-speaks-to-mining-industry-share-this-video?t=dXNlcmlkPTE0MTY4NixlbWFpbGlkPTU1Nw%3D%3D
Posted by sigismund on February 4, 2012, at 1:20:16
In reply to Re: Fracking » Beckett, posted by sigismund on February 4, 2012, at 1:19:18
Posted by Beckett on February 16, 2012, at 8:16:16
In reply to Re: Fracking, posted by sigismund on February 3, 2012, at 19:44:32
Well, I was reading this, and if correct, goes a long ways towards explaining this pressure to frack In the US and why Obama's speech sounded so awkward on this subject.
Posted by sigismund on February 16, 2012, at 22:24:39
In reply to Re: Fracking » sigismund, posted by Beckett on February 16, 2012, at 8:16:16
You did mean to link the Chomsky article?
I had read it, but it was not to do with fracking, was it?
We were in Hanoi for the thousandth anniversary of the founding of the city. I forget the legend now....something to do with a turtle.
We walked around the lake in the centre called Hoan Kiem which was decorated all round with big balloons and light shows and many people out, and naturally I thought of what it must have felt like when Nixon bombed it that Christmas. (Was it to facilitate the negotiations in Paris?) And the 2M dead.
Posted by Beckett on February 16, 2012, at 22:48:59
In reply to Re: Fracking » Beckett, posted by sigismund on February 16, 2012, at 22:24:39
Yes, to Chomsky:
Not all prominent voices foresee American decline. Among international media, there is none more serious and responsible than the London Financial Times. It recently devoted a full page to the optimistic expectation that new technology for extracting North American's fossil fuels might allow the U.S. to be come energy independent, hence to retain its global hegemony for a century. There is no mention of the kind of world the U.S. would rule in this happy event, but not for lack of evidence.
At about the same time, the International Energy Agency reported that, with rapidly increasing carbon emissions from fossil fuel use, the limit of safety will be reached by 2017 if the world continues on its present course. The door is closing, the IEA chief economist said, and very soon it will be closed for ever.I would like to visit Vietnam very much.
Posted by sigismund on February 17, 2012, at 1:41:56
In reply to Re: Fracking » sigismund, posted by Beckett on February 16, 2012, at 8:16:16
I was not so impressed by the LFT when I was in Europe. My favourite conservative (if that means much) economic commentator is Ambrose Evans-Pritchard from the Telegraph.
I did read that now that you mention it. For some reason I was not particularly impressed. Of course energy for the US *not* from the Middle East is important. But I am overwhelmed by dumbness and self defeating policies. OTOH, I hear that California is doing solar...large scale, not photovoltaic. I have heard this man is doing that there (no support here), although it is not mentioned on wiki.
Posted by sigismund on February 17, 2012, at 1:44:39
In reply to Re: Fracking » sigismund, posted by Beckett on February 16, 2012, at 22:48:59
They have a pilot plant in Bakersfield.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=energy-mills-ausra
Posted by Beckett on February 19, 2012, at 9:19:21
In reply to Re: Fracking » Beckett, posted by sigismund on February 17, 2012, at 1:41:56
Seems his company was bought up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausra_(company)
I am woefully ignorant of solar power in this country, even though I live in California.
What was that solar company scandal Obama was involved in early in his tenure? I felt he was headed in the right direction, then....
Posted by Beckett on February 25, 2012, at 10:36:26
In reply to Re: Fracking » Beckett, posted by sigismund on February 16, 2012, at 22:24:39
>We walked around the lake in the centre called Hoan Kiem which was decorated all round with big balloons and light shows and many people out, and naturally I thought of what it must have felt like when Nixon bombed it that Christmas. (Was it to facilitate the negotiations in Paris?) And the 2M dead.
How do you explain the ways in which the Vietnamese have been able to continue and regenerate, even to forgive the US (?) for these harms? I have always wondered. There seems an absence of bitterness. Can this be true?
Posted by sigismund on February 25, 2012, at 13:51:21
In reply to Continuing to live » sigismund, posted by Beckett on February 25, 2012, at 10:36:26
Well of course I have wondered about this too and spoken to many Vietnamese about it. They are a chatty lot. I could easily find someone to talk to for an hour.
They will routinely say stuff like this.....
We were proud to fight the French and the Americans and beat them, but we are not proud to suffer from this corruption.
Of course they remember the support given to them from the Chinese, the Russians and the antiwar movement. This means they don't mind us too much and are not particularly mindful of the crimes of communism. Their brand of communism was less bad than some others, AFAIK.
After they had put an end to the Khmer Rouge, we still supported the KR at the UN.
Posted by sigismund on February 25, 2012, at 15:32:18
In reply to Re: Continuing to live, posted by sigismund on February 25, 2012, at 13:51:21
There is a famous quote of Ho's, about what I am not quite sure, but it goes....
Better to eat French sh*t for 10 years than Chinese sh*t for a thousand.
And Giap said, when asked how long he was prepared to fight the Americans, something like...as long it would take, if necessary a thousand years.
Years later an American general who had served in Vietnam offered him his watch. Giap refused to take it.
There are issues of pride involved. I do not understand why it is so difficult to understand this, if in fact that is the problem.
Howard Zinn said in a lecture something like......the thing about having our troops stationed in other countries is that sometimes it BOTHERS them.
Is it racism? Lack of empathy for sure. Not to speak of ignorance.
The odd thing is that even the people who prosecuted the war did not believe in it, at least not anywhere near the end.
But they were trapped because they could not turn back.
Posted by Beckett on March 9, 2012, at 9:12:09
In reply to Re: Continuing to live, posted by sigismund on February 25, 2012, at 15:32:18
Giap is against this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauxite_mining_in_Vietnam
I started reading about the history of Vietnam. It is long and unexpected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue
>Howard Zinn said in a lecture something like......the thing about having our troops stationed in other countries is that sometimes it BOTHERS them.It can be that simple:)
Posted by Beckett on March 9, 2012, at 15:46:30
In reply to Fracking, posted by Beckett on February 3, 2012, at 4:11:16
South America is mentioned as a area of oil and gas speculation, too. I really was not aware of the push for this power shift.
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140784004/new-boom-reshapes-oil-world-rocks-north-dakota
From NPR of all sources. Fracking never sounded so appealing. So upbeat and down-home. I mean, look at the title. It rocks.
Posted by sigismund on March 9, 2012, at 17:47:58
In reply to Re: Fracking, posted by Beckett on March 9, 2012, at 15:46:30
It is very important to turn that stuff into cash before those renewables take off.
Did you read Hanson say that if the tar sands pipeline from Canada and the associated development goes ahead it is game over for climate change?
Must be some kind of communist.Here there has developed a pattern.
Protesting farmers in meetings take off their hats and put them on the floor before the politicians.
The message is the same....drive over that, you bastards.I heard someone on a program saying that Fox had unleashed the Id of the Republicans.
Not so easy to get it back in the box.
I enjoy Newt from a distance.
He fleshes out my understanding of hypocrisy.
Posted by sigismund on March 9, 2012, at 18:10:37
In reply to Re: Fracking, posted by Beckett on March 9, 2012, at 15:46:30
"The point is you can't force a technology that's not commercial. Rather than subsidize things that are not going to be competitive, we need to actually use that money to do R&D to create technologies the same way that the industries created these technologies to produce natural gas and it turned out so commercially successful."
Yeah, that's what I had in mind.
Posted by sigismund on March 9, 2012, at 18:16:56
In reply to Re: Fracking, posted by sigismund on March 9, 2012, at 18:10:37
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-cope/james-hansen-on-climate-t_b_932512.html
I listened to a presentation by Bill McKibbon at the SWF a few years back.
Posted by Beckett on March 10, 2012, at 4:44:20
In reply to Re: Fracking, posted by sigismund on March 9, 2012, at 17:47:58
Those are great links. Thank you.
The Senate defeated the Keystone XL pipeline yesterday.
>It is very important to turn that stuff into cash before those renewables take off.
This I had not equated.
The sensiblitiy of Hanson and his cohorts in their efforts to preserve the world for future generations who cannot speak for themselves places hypocrisy in deep relief when seen alongside those jamming political resources debating, endlessly debating contraceptive coverage, birth control acess, abortion rights, and the personhood of eggs, which is said by proponents to be, like Hanson is doing for future generations, a standing up for those not here to stand up for themselves. But in what sort of world will these eggs with rights grow?
It's been a real horse and pony show here. One suspects an ugly sleight of hand.
I found comic relief as did others from the baleful irony.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/birth-control-viagra-vasectomy-laws
Posted by sigismund on March 11, 2012, at 20:21:07
In reply to Re: Fracking, posted by Beckett on March 10, 2012, at 4:44:20
Talking of hypocrisy, can you tell me how many illegal narcotic tablets Rush Limbaugh's housekeeper bought for him?
Housekeepers like that cannot be too easy to find. I want one.
Posted by Beckett on March 12, 2012, at 16:14:46
In reply to Re: Fracking » Beckett, posted by sigismund on March 11, 2012, at 20:21:07
I typed Limbaugh narcotic housekeeper into google and the answer I got was more than 30,000 oxycontin tabs.
Here's a bit of fallout from his latest actions:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166722/what-limbaugh-ad-boycott-could-mean-rushActually, joking about him takes muster on my part. His remarks about that Georgetown law student scared me when I heard the recording. They were so hateful and implicitly violent.
Then there is this, sigi. So many children and used to be children.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/12/kathy_kelly_on_afghan_humanitarian_crisis#.T15mQsW-IV8.mailto
Posted by sigismund on March 12, 2012, at 18:51:22
In reply to Re: Freaking » sigismund, posted by Beckett on March 12, 2012, at 16:14:46
You win the prize!
An all expenses paid trip to a Las Vegas casino!
Let us consider this 30,000. That is (disappointingly) 300 packs of 100, but sounds better when you say 1,500 packs of 20. Now the way to think of it is to ask, would those 1,500 packs fit on the desk at which you are sitting. This is like how many beads in the jar.
My knowledge of the US class system comes from Gore Vidal, that is how little I know, but I was taught a little more by Newt's rationale that it was OK to attack Clinton for Monica while he was ditching wife no. whatever because that was the right thing to say publicly. If I was his minder I would suggest he be a little less fleshy.
Yeah, Afghanistan. Who was it who said in effect that they went on to Iraq because they ran out of targets? No idea how to run an occupation. Not much effort made by the politicians to learn either, until it was too late. You only get one chance and the window is only open for a little while.
Posted by Beckett on March 13, 2012, at 8:02:23
In reply to Re: Freaking » Beckett, posted by sigismund on March 12, 2012, at 18:51:22
> You win the prize!
>
> An all expenses paid trip to a Las Vegas casino!We were almost married by an Elvis impersonator in Vegas. Almost, I suppose is the critical word here.
The Harper's Weekly Review. It's not Lewis Lapham anymore, of course:
In Afghanistan, a 38-year-old U.S. Army staff sergeant assigned to support Green Beret village-stabilization operations turned himself in after killing sixteen villagers, nine of them children, in the middle of the night, then setting fire to eleven of the corpses, including those of four girls under the age of six. He came to my uncles home, he was running after women, he was tearing their dresses, insulting them, said a 15-year-old boy who reported being shot in the leg. He killed my uncle and killed our servant and killed my grandma. He shot dead my uncles son, his daughter. Hundreds of Afghans protested the murders outside Camp Belambay, Afghanistans lower house of parliament issued a statement saying Afghans had run out of patience with foreign forces, and President Hamid Karzai called the attacks unforgivable. Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich reiterated his call for Karzai to apologize for attacks on U.S. soldiers following the burning of Korans outside a NATO base last month. Its got to be a two-way street, said Gingrich. NATO admitted that some of its officials had revealed personal information to foreign spies who friended them with a fake Facebook account for NATOs most senior commander. Three of Osama bin Ladens widows were charged with illegally entering and residing in Pakistan, where the justice ministry objected to a bill raising the age of criminal responsibility to 12, arguing that the hot climate, poverty, and spicy food made Pakistani children mature faster. Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko addressed an accusation by Germanys foreign minister that he was Europes last dictator. Better to be a dictator than gay, said Lukashenko. In Iraq, officials and human rights groups estimated that 58 young people identified as emo have been killed in recent weeks. An Iraqi police officer said police were urging clerics to help them prevent violence against the emo or the vampires or Satan worshippers. The emo of today, said a Kurdish lawmaker, could be any person tomorrow.
Voting results in ten states on Super Tuesday failed to establish a clear frontrunner for the Republican presidential candidacy. Mitt Romney won in Alaska, Idaho, Massachusetts, Ohio, Vermont, and Virginia, while Rick Santorum won in North Dakota, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. After winning his home state of Georgia, Gingrich compared himself to a tortoise fighting lots of bunny rabbits as his supporters waved Newt-a-Mania banners. A Tipp City, Ohio, woman interrupted a Santorum campaign event at a hamburger restaurant with an offer to make a cash donation. Donate to Romney! the woman yelled, then handed Santorum two $20 bills. He needs our money! At a Southern Methodist University conference on the influence of first ladies, Barbara Bush called the 2012 presidential campaign the worst shed ever seen. The rest of the world is looking at us these days, she remarked, and saying, What are you doing? The grounds outside a Maryland courthouse were evacuated after a deputy spotted a suspicious-looking coconut, and residents of the English town of Saltburn-by-the-Sea theorized that an Olympics-themed scarf found tied to a local pier was the work of the Saltburn Yarnbomber, a guerrilla knitter also presumed responsible for The Secret Cardigan and A Ripping Yarn, a pair of knitted books left outside the Saltburn library earlier this year. Its a classic whodunit, said a local reporter of the knitters identity. Personally, I think its a group of people, he added. One person couldnt do all that knitting on their own.
A fox in Orpington, England, cornered a man and stole his garlic loaf. If a fox is jumping at your shopping bag, said a British wildlife expert, the best thing to use is a water pistol. Godzilla, a wild turkey, was reportedly stalking a woman in Commerce Township, Michigan. Every time I eat turkey I smile, she told reporters. Id like to do that to him. An Anchorage funeral-home owner known as the Mushing Mortician performed mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to save one of his huskies during the Iditarod sled-dog race. Twin sisters Patricia and Joan Miller, who appeared on the television show The Hoffman Hayride in the 1950s, were reported to have died within hours of each other in South Lake Tahoe, California, and the Canadian province of Alberta revealed that two girls born there in 2011 were named Unique. Two humanoid robots pole-danced to beats from a DJ robot with a megaphone-shaped head at a technology fair in Germany. Restaurateurs in Austria proposed changing the names of gypsy schnitzel and Moors shirt on Austrian menus to cutlet with pepper sauce and chocolate dessert with cream. An eBay bidder backed out of an agreement to pay a Nebraska woman $8,100 for a three-year-old Chicken McNugget resembling George Washington. Pat Robertson confirmed his support for the legalization of marijuana, suggesting it was something Jesus would have endorsed. I dont think he was a teetotaler, said Robertson. Barack Obamas one-time Indonesian nanny, Evie, who was born as a boy named Turdi, was found again living as a man in Jakarta, having endured years of discrimination. Now when people call me scum, she said, I can just say, But I was the nanny for the president of the United States!
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