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Posted by fayeroe on November 30, 2008, at 19:46:56
parishioner voted for Barack Obama.
Posted by Sigismund on December 1, 2008, at 1:23:06
In reply to Priest says confession is a must if a, posted by fayeroe on November 30, 2008, at 19:46:56
I am in favour of the right to purchase alcohol. That does not mean I think people should drink alcohol.
How has it happened that being pro-choice has come to be seen as being pro-abortion?
Because it became a party political issue.
There is no reason why it has to be.
Anyway, the Christian Churches would surely acknowledge that human sexuality has not been their strongest suit.
Posted by Sigismund on December 1, 2008, at 1:46:58
In reply to Re: Priest says confession is a must if a, posted by Sigismund on December 1, 2008, at 1:23:06
And so someone might say to me
'So you are in favour of the state allowing the destruction of life?'
And I could reply
'So you are in favour of backyard abortions for the poor and medical ones for the rich?'
Because isn't that why there is a choice?
At least that's how I recall it came to pass.People forget.
Posted by fayeroe on December 1, 2008, at 10:45:48
In reply to Re: Priest says confession is a must if a » Sigismund, posted by Sigismund on December 1, 2008, at 1:46:58
And I say to my sisters when they are screaming that a woman doesn't have the right to choose.."What are you doing to help take care of the crackbabies, the abused children, the sexually molested children and the others that no one wanted then or wants now?" "You have an extra bedroom, adopt a child and put your money where your mouth is."
I know I've told you this before..I was on the board of PP for 5 years in OKC. I didn't even know a board member (physician) that did abortions. We provided healthcare for women by offering pap smears, breast exams, pelvics and birth control. I worked for the same period of time in a clinic in "Packing Town" and saw everything that happened there.
I'm not saying that women in Oklahoma City weren't having abortions..PP wasn't the big provider like Pro-Choice opponents want to paint it to be.
And something else that really, really bothers me is "how can you bomb a clinic in the name of Pro-Life?"
Posted by rskontos on December 2, 2008, at 19:00:31
In reply to Re: Priest says confession is a must if a » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on December 1, 2008, at 10:45:48
You know I remember one of Obama's speech in which he said specifically he was "Pro-choice." He said, I don't think anyone is really for abortions, but that they are for choice.
Sig you are right how soon people forget. And how easily they try to make choices for everyone. Let's keep religion in church.
Marriage is a legal union. Yes you can get married in a church but mostly it is done for legal reasons too. Choices as to what you do to your own body is that. A choice just like to drink or not is yours. We all have many choices. And quite frankly they aren't really up to anyone else unless it interferes with anothers right to life, liberty, etc. and in most circumstances it isn't.
And to bomb a clinic that gives woman choices is murder, plain and simple. And those people should be ashamed to call themselves anything but murders. They are doing it because they think they have the right to judge others but they don't.
Man we are a screwed up bunch here on Earth. I think when you look back at Cain and Able, I don't think we can all ever get along, no matter the matter at hand. History doesn't make the case for it, does it?
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on December 3, 2008, at 9:39:50
In reply to Re: Priest says confession is a must if a » fayeroe, posted by rskontos on December 2, 2008, at 19:00:31
> You know I remember one of Obama's speech in which he said specifically he was "Pro-choice." He said, I don't think anyone is really for abortions, but that they are for choice.
>>>You're right...
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> Sig you are right how soon people forget. And how easily they try to make choices for everyone. Let's keep religion in church.>>>I can make the argument over and over about separation of church and state and some do not get it. When did the line get trampled?
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> Marriage is a legal union. Yes you can get married in a church but mostly it is done for legal reasons too.>>>Are the people who go down to city hall not "married" ? :-) Are they welcome at church?
Choices as to what you do to your own body is that. A choice just like to drink or not is yours. We all have many choices. And quite frankly they aren't really up to anyone else unless it interferes with anothers right to life, liberty, etc. and in most circumstances it isn't.>>>I was in a situation where I had to go before three doctors at a hospital and was refused an abortion.(their faith prevented them from allowing it) (I had been exposed to the German measles and my doctor was more than alarmed)
In another week, I miscarried and the worst fears were confirmed. I don't need to go into the details, I'm sure.>>>Were those three doctors there to hold my hand when the miscarriage happened? No. Did I hear from any of them afterwards? No. Did I know them? Yes. So, we knew that they were aware of my situation.
>>>>How soon they forgot.
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> And to bomb a clinic that gives woman choices is murder, plain and simple. And those people should be ashamed to call themselves anything but murders. They are doing it because they think they have the right to judge others but they don't.>>>A clinic in Austin was bombed, I believe it was last year. PP. They did get the culprit immediately afterwards. He did something really stupid and got himself caught.
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> Man we are a screwed up bunch here on Earth. I think when you look back at Cain and Able, I don't think we can all ever get along, no matter the matter at hand. History doesn't make the case for it, does it?>>>I can go all the way back to gradeschool where I remember kids that were bullies. Their parents didn't believe/live as some of our parents did and it passed from them to the kids. I wonder where those "kids" are today? I hope that they taught their children tolerance and love.
Pat
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> rsk
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