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Posted by fayeroe on June 17, 2008, at 8:32:21
Feels kinda anti-climatic for Gore to endorse Obama after Hillary lost. But, what do I know from politicians?
McCain dropped Rev. Hagee like a hot potato after he said something. See, I've burned out and can't even remember their issues.
All of this strategy is beginning to hurt my brain.
Posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 15:27:10
In reply to Endorsements, posted by fayeroe on June 17, 2008, at 8:32:21
I've forgotten about Rev Hagee too. Can it have been a sex scandal? Following the US campaigns is throwing me into an anticlerical (if that's the right word) mood. Our latest scandal involves an ALP politician who was more than usually rude when everyone was fed up with the state government, and now when she appears in Parliament she is described as being as 'placid as a python on a school outing', and looking 'quiet and well fed on baby rats'.
Posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 15:33:57
In reply to Re: Endorsements, posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 15:27:10
They also describe her as 'heavy lidded'. I imagine she is heavily medicated. She made the mistake of threatening to have the club (The Iguanas) closed down and said 'Do you know who I am?'. So the newspapers were able to mention Groucho Marx's line....'Excuse me, there's a woman here who does not know who she is. Can anyone help?'
Posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 16:38:17
In reply to Night of the Iguana, posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 15:33:57
Posted by fayeroe on June 17, 2008, at 17:21:37
In reply to Re: Endorsements, posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 15:27:10
Don't forget that one of our other "prominent televangelists" said that Hurricane Katrina was visited upon NO because of the lesbian and gay activities.....We are crawling with people who say really crazy things here.
May I use the "placcid as a python on a school outing"?
Posted by fayeroe on June 17, 2008, at 17:22:51
In reply to Night of the Iguana, posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 15:33:57
You are just full of good ones today!!!!! I started this day off fairly depressed and now I'm much happier!
Posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 19:23:32
In reply to Re: Endorsements » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on June 17, 2008, at 17:21:37
>other "prominent televangelists" said that Hurricane Katrina was visited upon NO because of the lesbian and gay activities.....
Yes, I witnessed that woman saying that the US was having trouble in Iraq because of the homosexuality of the something or other (forget what), could it have been the armed forces or maybe the society at large. I think there may be a connection between that lot and the people who picketted Mathew Shepherd's funeral with placards saying things not only uncivil but too terrible to repeat and better forgotten. This must have made the late Mathew Shepherd more admirers (of whom I became one) than he had friends before he was brutally murdered. I wonder what is going on in their minds. Some gay culture would understandably provoke right thinking Christians, sodomy and whatever else, but lesbians? Can't they take a leaf out of Queen Victoria's book and refuse to believe in its existence. Part of the problem with American Exceptionalism, as I understand it, is the idea that the way we live is the way all people should (will?) live.
Posted by fayeroe on June 17, 2008, at 21:24:45
In reply to Re: Endorsements, posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 19:23:32
The family that did picket soldier's funerals are living in Kansas. They bring their children up to believe all of the nonsense that they subscribe to.
Dateline had a special on the family and let me tell you, it was very scary. The little kids were talking about homosexuals and how they have brough all of the war problems upon the US.....
So sorry to see parents do that to their children. Doesn't bode well for what we can look forward to in the future.
The Matthew Sheperd case was awful....awful. made me sick!
Posted by caraher on June 17, 2008, at 22:59:56
In reply to Re: Endorsements » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on June 17, 2008, at 21:24:45
Fred Phelps, the ringleader of the funeral pickets, maintains a small cult - his church has few if any members who are not either his direct descendants or in-laws. As much as many religious groups condemn homosexuality, the antics of Westboro Baptist Church are more of a local freak show than reflective of any real movement. When they started picketing soldiers' funerals I think they lost any their silent sympathizers...
But they've managed to outdo themselves this time. In Iowa four boys died when severe weather hit a Boy Scout camp, and apparently the Phelps clan showed up to tell us all that these boys died because America hasn't been killing homosexuals...
I usually dismiss the kind of speculation I'm about to do as a cheesy rhetorical trick, but the only way I can make sense of the depth of Phelps' obsession with homosexuality and the sheer hatred he displays is if he's trying to mask self-doubt about his own sexuality. There's nothing about his stated position on homosexuality that logically or even tactically suggests he and his followers should carry signs depicting particular sex acts (not photos, just outlines of people made from circles and rectangles).
As for jilted McCain endorser Hagee, sorry, there was no sex scandal; it was simply his own religious beliefs turning his endorsement into a liability. Like some fundamentalists, Hagee believes the Catholic Church is an abomination, and it wasn't hard to turn up a few statements that probably would lose McCain more Catholic voters than he would pick up among "evangelicals."
Posted by fayeroe on June 18, 2008, at 7:58:38
In reply to Re: Endorsements, posted by caraher on June 17, 2008, at 22:59:56
"As for jilted McCain endorser Hagee, sorry, there was no sex scandal; it was simply his own religious beliefs turning his endorsement into a liability. Like some fundamentalists, Hagee believes the Catholic Church is an abomination, and it wasn't hard to turn up a few statements that probably would lose McCain more Catholic voters than he would pick up among "evangelicals."
I wasn't aware that sex was ever mentioned in the same sentence with Hagee. I knew that his religious beliefs and his statements turned into a liability for McCain. In fact, they were always a liability and he finally admitted it.
I didn't know that the Phelps turned up when those children were killed in the tornado! I don't know if they can go any lower.
Pat
Posted by fayeroe on June 18, 2008, at 8:08:40
In reply to Re: Endorsements » caraher, posted by fayeroe on June 18, 2008, at 7:58:38
This is what I referred to. Hagee was adament about what caused Hurricane Katrina.
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Pastor John Hagee has revised his view of God's wrath, and chances are John McCain couldn't be happier.
Without fanfare, in an e-mail sent the latter part of Friday, Hagee backed off his assertion that Hurricane Katrina was the Almighty's punishment of New Orleans because it had planned to host a gay pride parade.
Pat
Posted by caraher on June 18, 2008, at 22:57:21
In reply to Re: Endorsements » caraher, posted by fayeroe on June 18, 2008, at 7:58:38
> I wasn't aware that sex was ever mentioned in the same sentence with Hagee.In the second post of the thread Sigismund mused, "I've forgotten about Rev Hagee too. Can it have been a sex scandal?" So it happened at least once ;)
Posted by Sigismund on June 19, 2008, at 3:14:27
In reply to Re: Endorsements, posted by caraher on June 18, 2008, at 22:57:21
I don't know about once.
These people are full of vitality.
I attribute their high sex drives to their clean living principles.
'A sense of guilt may add spice to otherwise unremarkable vices. There are undoubtedly those who have converted to Christianity because they seek an excitement that mere pleasure can no longer supply. Think of Grahan Greene, who used the sense of sin he acquired through converting to Catholicism as an aphrodisiac. Morality has hardly made us better people; but it has certainly enriched our vices.
Post Christians deny themselves the pleasures of guilt. They blush at using a queasy conscience to flavour their stale pleasures. As a result they are notably lacking in joi de vivre. Among those who have once been Christians, pleasure can be intense only if it is mixed with the sensation of acting immorally.'
Posted by fayeroe on June 19, 2008, at 13:03:46
In reply to Re: Endorsements, posted by Sigismund on June 19, 2008, at 3:14:27
> I don't know about once.
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> These people are full of vitality.
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> I attribute their high sex drives to their clean living principles.
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> 'A sense of guilt may add spice to otherwise unremarkable vices. There are undoubtedly those who have converted to Christianity because they seek an excitement that mere pleasure can no longer supply. Think of Grahan Greene, who used the sense of sin he acquired through converting to Catholicism as an aphrodisiac. Morality has hardly made us better people; but it has certainly enriched our vices.
> Post Christians deny themselves the pleasures of guilt. They blush at using a queasy conscience to flavour their stale pleasures. As a result they are notably lacking in joi de vivre. Among those who have once been Christians, pleasure can be intense only if it is mixed with the sensation of acting immorally.'
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> "Straw Dogs"I got caught up on "clean living principles" and can't seem to get past that.
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