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Posted by Lou Pilder on May 7, 2008, at 2:27:57
In reply to Re: HELP - Want to begin taper of Klonopin badly., posted by becksFLA on May 6, 2008, at 13:05:20
> Slow absolutely. I just don't like the way that it seems to make me very impulsive, and also having to rely on it feels too much like a crutch. I feel a bit like I'm in shackles. Constantly having to have extras in my wallet in case I forget a dose and am far away from home....grr. I'll certainly need everybody on the board's help and advice as I go through this.
>
> ThanksbecksFLA,
You wrote,[...want to..badly...I'm in >shackles<...need everybody..help..I go...].
From the grammatical structure of your post I think that you are meaning that you are in a crossroads and want to have the drug out of your system so to be free and would like all of the members here to offer their thinking on that.
The roads to take are various. One road is to taper slowly untill you do not take the drug at all. This road is a wide road and many take that road. Then there is another road that one can take, which is to not take any more of the drug into your body. Then there is the road of to continue taking the drug for the rest of your life. Then there is a road to replace one drug with another drug(s). Then there could be the roads of acupuncture and other related treatments. Then there is the possibility of a miracle. But which road? Which road leads to a life, if you are seking to be freed from the drug, without the drug?
In making a choice as to the road to travle, the history of the drug may be of help. The drug was made by a chemist in Germany durring the time of National Socialism. The maker, fled to Switzerland and then came to the U.S. It was found to have psychotropic action and for years was a popular drug prescribed for {tranquilizing}, a popular version being called {Valium}. Then offshoots of a more powerful nature were made by other chemists. And then as time ran, the people that were taking those drugs started to exibit the symptoms that are well-documented. A site that deals with this is a UK site chaired by Dr. Heather Ashton. I had corrosponded with their leaders and although I have different ideas about what the drug does and how to be freed from it, that site is a good place for help and education concerning the situation that you describe here.
I am unsure as to what links that I can or can not post here according to the rules of this forum so that if you would like more infomation from me, you could email me if you like.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 7, 2008, at 2:27:58
In reply to Lou's response to becksFLA's post-ovrcmbz » becksFLA, posted by Lou Pilder on May 6, 2008, at 13:51:51
> > Slow absolutely. I just don't like the way that it seems to make me very impulsive, and also having to rely on it feels too much like a crutch. I feel a bit like I'm in shackles. Constantly having to have extras in my wallet in case I forget a dose and am far away from home....grr. I'll certainly need everybody on the board's help and advice as I go through this.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> becksFLA,
> You wrote,[...want to..badly...I'm in >shackles<...need everybody..help..I go...].
> From the grammatical structure of your post I think that you are meaning that you are in a crossroads and want to have the drug out of your system so to be free and would like all of the members here to offer their thinking on that.
> The roads to take are various. One road is to taper slowly untill you do not take the drug at all. This road is a wide road and many take that road. Then there is another road that one can take, which is to not take any more of the drug into your body. Then there is the road of to continue taking the drug for the rest of your life. Then there is a road to replace one drug with another drug(s). Then there could be the roads of acupuncture and other related treatments. Then there is the possibility of a miracle. But which road? Which road leads to a life, if you are seking to be freed from the drug, without the drug?
> In making a choice as to the road to travle, the history of the drug may be of help. The drug was made by a chemist in Germany durring the time of National Socialism. The maker, fled to Switzerland and then came to the U.S. It was found to have psychotropic action and for years was a popular drug prescribed for {tranquilizing}, a popular version being called {Valium}. Then offshoots of a more powerful nature were made by other chemists. And then as time ran, the people that were taking those drugs started to exibit the symptoms that are well-documented. A site that deals with this is a UK site chaired by Dr. Heather Ashton. I had corrosponded with their leaders and although I have different ideas about what the drug does and how to be freed from it, that site is a good place for help and education concerning the situation that you describe here.
> I am unsure as to what links that I can or can not post here according to the rules of this forum so that if you would like more infomation from me, you could email me if you like.
> Lou
>beckFLA,
The chemist's name was Leo Sternbach and made the drug in the 30's either in Poland or Vienna but left it lie until the 1950's for Hoffman La Roach. It had properties that are involved in working on neurotransmitters. Chemicals that do something to neurotransmitters can block the neuorotransmitter or reverse to that or other actions. Chemical dyes and nerve agents used as insecticides and vermacides have some aspect of that they can do something to neurotransmitters in their actions. I am unsure if I can post links to that aspect of the drug, benzodiazepines,here so if you would like more infomation concerning the action that BZDs have on the nervous system, and how one can possibly overcome them, you could email me if you like.
Lou
Posted by johnj on May 7, 2008, at 2:27:58
In reply to Lou's response to becksFLA's post-ovrcmbz » becksFLA, posted by Lou Pilder on May 6, 2008, at 13:51:51
Lou:
What is your dx and what medications do you take?
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 7, 2008, at 2:27:58
In reply to Lou's response to becksFLA's post-nurotrans, posted by Lou Pilder on May 6, 2008, at 14:22:33
> > > Slow absolutely. I just don't like the way that it seems to make me very impulsive, and also having to rely on it feels too much like a crutch. I feel a bit like I'm in shackles. Constantly having to have extras in my wallet in case I forget a dose and am far away from home....grr. I'll certainly need everybody on the board's help and advice as I go through this.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > becksFLA,
> > You wrote,[...want to..badly...I'm in >shackles<...need everybody..help..I go...].
> > From the grammatical structure of your post I think that you are meaning that you are in a crossroads and want to have the drug out of your system so to be free and would like all of the members here to offer their thinking on that.
> > The roads to take are various. One road is to taper slowly untill you do not take the drug at all. This road is a wide road and many take that road. Then there is another road that one can take, which is to not take any more of the drug into your body. Then there is the road of to continue taking the drug for the rest of your life. Then there is a road to replace one drug with another drug(s). Then there could be the roads of acupuncture and other related treatments. Then there is the possibility of a miracle. But which road? Which road leads to a life, if you are seking to be freed from the drug, without the drug?
> > In making a choice as to the road to travle, the history of the drug may be of help. The drug was made by a chemist in Germany durring the time of National Socialism. The maker, fled to Switzerland and then came to the U.S. It was found to have psychotropic action and for years was a popular drug prescribed for {tranquilizing}, a popular version being called {Valium}. Then offshoots of a more powerful nature were made by other chemists. And then as time ran, the people that were taking those drugs started to exibit the symptoms that are well-documented. A site that deals with this is a UK site chaired by Dr. Heather Ashton. I had corrosponded with their leaders and although I have different ideas about what the drug does and how to be freed from it, that site is a good place for help and education concerning the situation that you describe here.
> > I am unsure as to what links that I can or can not post here according to the rules of this forum so that if you would like more infomation from me, you could email me if you like.
> > Lou
> >
>
> beckFLA,
> The chemist's name was Leo Sternbach and made the drug in the 30's either in Poland or Vienna but left it lie until the 1950's for Hoffman La Roach. It had properties that are involved in working on neurotransmitters. Chemicals that do something to neurotransmitters can block the neuorotransmitter or reverse to that or other actions. Chemical dyes and nerve agents used as insecticides and vermacides have some aspect of that they can do something to neurotransmitters in their actions. I am unsure if I can post links to that aspect of the drug, benzodiazepines,here so if you would like more infomation concerning the action that BZDs have on the nervous system, and how one can possibly overcome them, you could email me if you like.
> Loubeck's FLA,
In regards to where and when Mr. Sternbach created the compound for the benzodiazepines, I am unsure as to the country of orign because the National Socialists took Hungery and Poland into the Third Riech from 1939 onward and he made the compound in the late 30's. Also, the drug co., Hoffman La Roach although a Swiss firm had subsidiary companies , one at least in Germany.
The inportance to this IMO is that the drug companies used forced slave labor along with I. G. Farben and in some cases the doctors doing inhumane experimants on children were paid by the Rockefeller Foundation to those including Josef Mengele.
If you email me I could send you the links to this infomation that could IMO help you to make a more informed decision as to if you want to continue taking psychotropic drugs into your body or not, for you wrote here, {shackled}. Please state that you are 21 years of age.
The infomation could show what the drugs were intended for, how they act on the nervous system and other organs, and as to if they were used to do experiments and if those experiments are going on today but under another color.
Lou
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