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Posted by Toph on January 12, 2005, at 20:42:54
The US has officially ended it's unsuccessful search for Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. These phantom weapons were characterized by this administration as posing a direct threat to the security of the United States and her allies, and was the justification for the unprecedented preemptive invasion of a sovereign nation by the American government.
Posted by AuntieMel on January 13, 2005, at 14:09:03
In reply to WMD-ception, posted by Toph on January 12, 2005, at 20:42:54
Background: I'm not a supporter of the invasion.
But: A reasonable person could have concluded that he did have weapons. After all, it is known that he did have them at one point, and wouldn't let inspectors in. It certainly reeked of him hiding something.
It turns out he probably was hiding something - that he *didn't* have them. Folks from the inside said he wanted to maintain the 'illusion' that he had them so his neighbors would stay afraid.
A twist that the best mystery novelist probably wouldn't have thought of.
Posted by Toph on January 13, 2005, at 18:01:38
In reply to Re: WMD-ception, posted by AuntieMel on January 13, 2005, at 14:09:03
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> A reasonable person could have concluded that he did have weapons. After all, it is known that he did have them at one point, and wouldn't let inspectors in. It certainly reeked of him hiding something.
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> It turns out he probably was hiding something - that he *didn't* have them. Folks from the inside said he wanted to maintain the 'illusion' that he had them so his neighbors would stay afraid.
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Reasonable people were also deceived into thinking by the Administration that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam's regime. It appears that the White House was also hiding the truth with a similar motive - to keep Americans afraid.Toph
Posted by TofuEmmy on January 13, 2005, at 21:12:34
In reply to Re: WMD-ception, posted by Toph on January 13, 2005, at 18:01:38
Just last night I saw Giuliani on Letterman saying that Bernard Kerik volunteered to go to Iraq in 2003. Giuliani said it was in order to help "finish what was started on 9/11". Hmmmm?
Sure sounds like presidental material to me!!
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Posted by Toph on January 13, 2005, at 21:43:50
In reply to Re: WMD-ception » Toph, posted by TofuEmmy on January 13, 2005, at 21:12:34
Maybe Giuliani would have Kerik round up all the insurgents like he rounded up all the homeless in New York.
Posted by TofuEmmy on January 13, 2005, at 22:07:05
In reply to Re: WMD-ception » TofuEmmy, posted by Toph on January 13, 2005, at 21:43:50
Well, Kerik is back home now interviewing nannies. :-)
Posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 20:53:09
In reply to Re: WMD-ception, posted by AuntieMel on January 13, 2005, at 14:09:03
> A reasonable person could have concluded that he did have weapons.
Hmph, what news do you watch? AMERICAN news by any chance? There was little question that that was just an EXCUSE to me...
>It is known that he did have them at one point, and wouldn't let inspectors in. It certainly reeked of him hiding something.
Yeah, but I thought the conclusion you reached would have been fairly obvious right from the start.
Posted by gardenergirl on January 16, 2005, at 12:24:50
In reply to Re: WMD-ception » AuntieMel, posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 20:53:09
Oh Lordy. Just saw a clip that now we invaded Iraq because Saddam was interfering with the UN food program.
An ever-evolving explanation. Somebody give a holler when it gets decided, eh?
gg
Posted by alexandra_k on January 16, 2005, at 16:16:29
In reply to Re: WMD-ception, posted by gardenergirl on January 16, 2005, at 12:24:50
The most vivid picture I saw on the news was someone from the US military putting up a US flag.
That was not Iraq, that was the recent attempt to be 'helpful'.
That is not 'helping' that is a conquering gesture.
An expression of power...
Posted by AuntieMel on January 17, 2005, at 17:13:19
In reply to Re: WMD-ception » AuntieMel, posted by alexandra_k on January 15, 2005, at 20:53:09
Actually, I take any news with a grain of salt and never trust any one source on anything important.
If something is going on, I usually go to google news and read articles from around the world.
But it did seem logical (pre invasion) to expect that if there were no WMD he would allow the inspectors to come in.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 19:39:15
In reply to Re: WMD-ception » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on January 17, 2005, at 17:13:19
> Actually, I take any news with a grain of salt and never trust any one source on anything important.
Ya. I am sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you personally were ill informed or anything like that. It is more about my views on people being killed in general (I see you have already found my post below).
> But it did seem logical (pre invasion) to expect that if there were no WMD he would allow the inspectors to come in.
But then he would be admitting that there isn't diddly squat they could do if America decided to use WMD on them...
Posted by AuntieMel on January 18, 2005, at 11:00:49
In reply to Re: WMD-ception, posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 19:39:15
But the only place America has used chemical or biological weapons is on it's own people (for testing.)
grin.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2005, at 17:01:34
In reply to Re: WMD-ception » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on January 18, 2005, at 11:00:49
ok. But you guys have other weapons capable of causing 'mass destruction' - right?
Posted by mike13 on January 22, 2005, at 0:58:48
In reply to Re: WMD-ception, posted by AuntieMel on January 13, 2005, at 14:09:03
> Background: I'm not a supporter of the invasion.
>
> But: A reasonable person could have concluded that he did have weapons. After all, it is known that he did have them at one point, and wouldn't let inspectors in. It certainly reeked of him hiding something.
>
> It turns out he probably was hiding something - that he *didn't* have them. Folks from the inside said he wanted to maintain the 'illusion' that he had them so his neighbors would stay afraid.
>
> A twist that the best mystery novelist probably wouldn't have thought of.
Sorry that's wrong....the inspectors were given access to every single site in Iraq.. there was very little defiance from Saddam Hussien.. I could back up my statements with links if you want..Bush suddenly kicked out the inspectors despite them making progress....if they wanted to confirm that the weapons were there they could have easily done so..
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