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Posted by Bob on March 21, 2008, at 16:21:40
IMO, this Neurotransmitters forum needs to be closed down and folded back into the original medications forum. The posting rate is almost nil, and I don't see a significant subject category distinction between what gets posted here and what ends up on the med board. To me, everything that ends up on this board would be just as well suited on the med board. Having two categories just leads to confusion, and I think many of the posts here tend to get ignored.
Just my opinion.
Posted by d0pamine on March 21, 2008, at 18:13:53
In reply to End of Forum?, posted by Bob on March 21, 2008, at 16:21:40
Must .....resist......."toldyouso"....oops too late. :)
Posted by bulldog2 on March 21, 2008, at 18:47:58
In reply to End of Forum?, posted by Bob on March 21, 2008, at 16:21:40
> IMO, this Neurotransmitters forum needs to be closed down and folded back into the original medications forum. The posting rate is almost nil, and I don't see a significant subject category distinction between what gets posted here and what ends up on the med board. To me, everything that ends up on this board would be just as well suited on the med board. Having two categories just leads to confusion, and I think many of the posts here tend to get ignored.
>
> Just my opinion.I agree, with the lack of participation it would be easier to follow threads if all the info was on one page. What's disappointing is that people do not follow up enough on their progress. They post for a week and than stop. That's not enough info to judge success or failure.
Posted by Phillipa on March 21, 2008, at 21:37:14
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by bulldog2 on March 21, 2008, at 18:47:58
I agree about one board thought this would be a teaching board. More follow-up on regular meds I think. Phillipa
Posted by Sigismund on March 21, 2008, at 23:49:40
In reply to End of Forum?, posted by Bob on March 21, 2008, at 16:21:40
It was going to be for all the knowledgeable people who wanted to talk about neurotransmitter subtypes and stuff, and they are not here at the moment.
Posted by SLS on March 22, 2008, at 7:13:30
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by Sigismund on March 21, 2008, at 23:49:40
Personally, I would like to have a board dedicated to Neuroscience. It would facilitate the discussions of the phenomenology of neurobiology in health and disease. Discussing brain anatomy and functional circuits has very little to do with neurotransmitters, and is of both theoretical value and future applications. The study of neuroscience is broad in scope and covers a multitude of targets of investigation.
We will not understand mental illness without first understanding the brain and endocrine systems. Even the effects of psychosocial stress must be included in any study of these disorders.
How does lamotrigine (Lamictal) work? I have a nice little theory involving glutamate and dopamine. I would be motivated to place this area of inquiry on a neuroscience board that is not devoted to clinical medicine.
What will become of these suggestions? Probably just wasted bandwidth. When the Neurotransmitter board first opened, I posted on the Administration board several times regarding the theme of neuroscience as separate from clinical psychopharmacology with neurotransmitter substances being but one part integral to the study of brain biology and function.
I feel very strongly about this and I am happy that you folks have verbalized a variety of reasons why a forum named "Neurotransmitters" and devoted to polypharmacy and not monotherapy - and conversely with the Medication board.
I feel like I'm wasting my breath.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on March 22, 2008, at 13:19:21
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by SLS on March 22, 2008, at 7:13:30
Scott but will it also teach people like me who just don't get chemistry and the math's? Like now only way to get to you is on the board still on deplin? Could you answer my thread on regular meds? Thanks. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on March 22, 2008, at 14:13:52
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by SLS on March 22, 2008, at 7:13:30
> Personally, I would like to have a board dedicated to Neuroscience. It would facilitate the discussions of the phenomenology of neurobiology in health and disease. Discussing brain anatomy and functional circuits has very little to do with neurotransmitters, and is of both theoretical value and future applications. The study of neuroscience is broad in scope and covers a multitude of targets of investigation.
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> We will not understand mental illness without first understanding the brain and endocrine systems. Even the effects of psychosocial stress must be included in any study of these disorders.
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> How does lamotrigine (Lamictal) work? I have a nice little theory involving glutamate and dopamine. I would be motivated to place this area of inquiry on a neuroscience board that is not devoted to clinical medicine.
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> What will become of these suggestions? Probably just wasted bandwidth. When the Neurotransmitter board first opened, I posted on the Administration board several times regarding the theme of neuroscience as separate from clinical psychopharmacology with neurotransmitter substances being but one part integral to the study of brain biology and function.
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> I feel very strongly about this and I am happy that you folks have verbalized a variety of reasons why a forum named "Neurotransmitters" and devoted to polypharmacy and not monotherapy - and conversely with the Medication board.
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> I feel like I'm wasting my breath.
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> - Scott
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>No your not wasting your breath. Since the depature of Andrewb your the last voice of real knowledge around here. We need more people participating and following up. We get a lot of grand entrances where people make one promising post and vanish. Very frustrating. A couple days of a progress report is not very helpful. We need some willing to committ to weeks of info on their combos to get an idea of the efficacy of their regimen.
Posted by Phillipa on March 22, 2008, at 20:18:09
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by bulldog2 on March 22, 2008, at 14:13:52
Very true agree fully. Phillipa
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 24, 2008, at 18:39:37
In reply to End of Forum?, posted by Bob on March 21, 2008, at 16:21:40
I favor this board
seems more focused
less hijacking of threads
Posted by tealady on April 19, 2008, at 20:25:09
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by Sigismund on March 21, 2008, at 23:49:40
> It was going to be for all the knowledgeable people who wanted to talk about neurotransmitter subtypes and stuff, and they are not here at the moment.
Hi, I just found this forum, and I thought it might be for something like that.
If it is, it would be great to have somewhere to read on. Its the quality, not the quantity. If it was like that, it would soon mount up over the years..judging by previous posts on the med board.
The concept at least is good.
I'm just looking , yet agian, at neurotransmitters, but I'm no expert!
Posted by tealady on April 19, 2008, at 20:30:38
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by SLS on March 22, 2008, at 7:13:30
> Personally, I would like to have a board dedicated to Neuroscience. It would facilitate the discussions of the phenomenology of neurobiology in health and disease. Discussing brain anatomy and functional circuits has very little to do with neurotransmitters, and is of both theoretical value and future applications. The study of neuroscience is broad in scope and covers a multitude of targets of investigation.
>
> We will not understand mental illness without first understanding the brain and endocrine systems. Even the effects of psychosocial stress must be included in any study of these disorders.
>
> How does lamotrigine (Lamictal) work? I have a nice little theory involving glutamate and dopamine. I would be motivated to place this area of inquiry on a neuroscience board that is not devoted to clinical medicine.
>
> What will become of these suggestions? Probably just wasted bandwidth. When the Neurotransmitter board first opened, I posted on the Administration board several times regarding the theme of neuroscience as separate from clinical psychopharmacology with neurotransmitter substances being but one part integral to the study of brain biology and function.
>
> I feel very strongly about this and I am happy that you folks have verbalized a variety of reasons why a forum named "Neurotransmitters" and devoted to polypharmacy and not monotherapy - and conversely with the Medication board.
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> I feel like I'm wasting my breath.
>
>
> - Scott
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>
Hi Scott,
I guess I agree with you. I just assumed neurotransmitters would include all that you mentioned! I mean there isnt any diff is there between hormones and neurotransmitters..at least there isnt in my undrstanding, which is probably really limited! takes serotoning for instance.. it's both, isn't it.. and I suspect most are!
Also neurotransmitters as an isolated thing just ain't much use at all.. its how they interract, bind, function etc.in various parts of the body(including the brain) ??
I guess I just took the name broadly?
Posted by Questionmark on April 28, 2008, at 0:55:43
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by SLS on March 22, 2008, at 7:13:30
Man! So many brilliant points-- in every post in this thread (including the original post, and including one quite humorous one). I want to comment on every single one. I hate that.
This whole situation totally reminds me of my sometimes deep frustration with trying to organize and categorize certain things, such as my internet bookmarks in particular. What the hell do i do if i have a webpage that would fit perfectly well in multiple different bookmark folders? It freaking drives me crazy. And just trying to figure out the best solution for the situation at hand presents very similar problems. One of the main difficulties (as already basically mentioned) is when posts/threads cover enough subject matter to be perfectly appropriate for multiple different forums. That's so frustrating! (Not b/c of the poster but b/c of the general difficulty, needless to say). So yeah i don't know how to handle that. And the more forums there are, the more complicated it becomes.
Anyway, on the one hand, i agree with Bob and 'd0pamine' (& others i'm sure) about, well everything Bob discussed. (I was even thinking just now tonight, when coming upon the Neurotransmitters forum here for the first time, how i did not understand why this forum was created and how it seemed mostly pointless.) On the other hand, a number of the others made good points about the usefulness of having a board like this, at least if it is used for/in a certain specific manner. I do really like the idea of being able to discuss neurotransmitter action and receptor subtypes and the like. But it still does seem like a lot of things would overlap with the Medications and other forums. I also really find SLS's idea (a Neuroscience forum) to be a good idea, and it seems like this would be far preferable to, and could incorporate, a Neurotransmitters forum. But it's possible that that would deviate too far from the scope of which Dr. Bob wishes to keep this site focused, for one reason or another.
Posted by deniseuk190466 on April 28, 2008, at 10:04:11
In reply to End of Forum?, posted by Bob on March 21, 2008, at 16:21:40
Bob,
I think you should have a medication resistant forum for people who have tried many, many medications, treatments and combinations with limited success. I think that is when people start questionning what the drugs do in more detail.
Denise
Posted by okydoky on May 11, 2008, at 15:42:38
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by SLS on March 22, 2008, at 7:13:30
As someone who has benefited enormously from both andrewb and sls's in depth knowledge of neuroscience and having today just started reading this board I am saddened to read it is closing. I was just inquiring where or what I could read to gain some general understanding of how the brain works and investigate the why's of dysfunction...things I don't even yet know to inquire.Perhaps there is less emphasis in this society because this knowledge could facilitate preventive care? People are so accustomed to "aftercare" that they do not even know or recognize the importance of knowing the hows and whys of the brain. We just don't know there is this knowledge to even ask for it. I am off track somewhat here but I wonder if the low use of this site should have been an expected outcome?
I only ever had one doctor who had an understanding of the underlying "chemistry" of how the drugs he was prescribing worked and based his prescribing much on that. He was a psychopharmacologist. Did research until he semi retired and treated private patients. I am starting to understand why he had no respect fo rhis colleges. Having lost him and realizing a lot of people that used to be on this site are here no longer I read some posts here I have been worried for myself.
I found myself asking "What is Neuroscience"
"What is Neuroscience?
Neuroscience, the study of the nervous system, advances the understanding of human thought, emotion, and behavior. Neuroscientists use tools ranging from computers to special dyes to examine molecules, nerve cells, networks, brain systems, and behavior. From these studies, they learn how the nervous system develops and functions normally and what goes wrong in neurological disorders.
What is the mind? Why do people feel emotions? What are the underlying causes of neurological and psychiatric disorders?... Through their research, neuroscientists work to:
Describe the human brain and how it functions normally.
Determine how the nervous system develops, matures and maintains itself through life.
Find ways to prevent or cure many devastating neurological and psychiatric disorders...
I thought this enlightening. It is from:http://www.sfn.org/index.cfm?pagename=whatIsNeuroscience§ion=aboutNeuroscience
Perhaps we could still make an arguement for this board. It has not been given any time to grow at all.oky
Posted by SLS on May 11, 2008, at 15:49:57
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by okydoky on May 11, 2008, at 15:42:38
Posted by SLS on May 11, 2008, at 16:00:54
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by tealady on April 19, 2008, at 20:30:38
Hi Tealady.
I'm sorry I didn't reply to your comments until now. I just noticed it.
> Also neurotransmitters as an isolated thing just ain't much use at all.. its how they interract, bind, function etc.in various parts of the body(including the brain) ??
> I guess I just took the name broadly?It's one of those things where words do matter. I like your integrative approach to conceptualizing the nervous system. Hormones are not neurotransmitters. However, they do have target receptors. Really, most of biology involves messengers and receptors. Hormones are defined by the way they are secreted into the blood stream, not by what target receptors they attach to. Messengers, yes, but not neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters are secreted by neurons and travel interstitially to special receptors that influence the excitability of other neurons.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on May 11, 2008, at 16:08:36
In reply to Re: To Bob, posted by deniseuk190466 on April 28, 2008, at 10:04:11
> Bob,
>
> I think you should have a medication resistant forum for people who have tried many, many medications, treatments and combinations with limited success. I think that is when people start questionning what the drugs do in more detail.
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> Denise
I wouldn't have given a darn about psychiatric medicine if I hadn't contracted a psychiatric illness. So, yes, my failed treatment history inspired and required me to self-educate. One of the reasons I am not as intensely focused on this stuff anymore is that it seems I'm on the right medication regime to bring me to remission. Mission accomplished? Maybe I'll sell cars next.
- Scott
Posted by Bob on May 11, 2008, at 16:54:16
In reply to Re: End of Forum? » tealady, posted by SLS on May 11, 2008, at 16:00:54
Who said the forum is closing?
Posted by maree on May 13, 2008, at 23:37:24
In reply to Re: End of Forum?, posted by tealady on April 19, 2008, at 20:25:09
I have only just joined this site as a contributing member, but, this board did interest me, since i have been obliged to become my own doctor to a certain extent, since there is so much ignorance out in the medical"professional" world as to what causes the many lingering symptoms after one "recovers" from having a stroke. I was hoping to get intelligent, and knowlegable, input to my questions and theories
Posted by tealady on May 15, 2008, at 5:28:07
In reply to Re: End of Forum? » tealady, posted by SLS on May 11, 2008, at 16:00:54
Hi scott,
Yes I agree in strict theory of what they are;-)
I just formed the impression that it will/is? be found not as distinct .. perhaps as all things in life.
I have valued your posts over the years, and I really pleased to hear you seem to have found something that is helping:-)
I agree , it's the "need" which causes most of us to try to find out.
Kind regards,
Jan
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