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Posted by iforgotmypassword on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:05
umm. i am a vain person, i'm sorry. i'm wondering if anyone knows where this study came from. i want to know if it is valid? and if so, i want to know the best way to take lipoic acid. (R form only?, R and S form?, if these other things they indicate need to be taken, too.)
"In a study, 40 women with symptoms of aging skin received an oral combination of antioxidants including ALA plus proteins, vitamins, and minerals, or placebo, daily for six months. Measurements of skin thickness and elasticity, wrinkles and roughness as well as the women's self-evaluations of their skin demonstrate significant improvement in the appearance of aging."
this is from a supplement company's website (SISU) so i have no idea where they got this info from, anything about the "study", and if it's high quality or flawed or complete trash.
here is the link where the quote comes from:
http://www.sisu.com/sisu/products/product.jsp?category=100&sub=101&id=185
Posted by iforgotmypassword on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:06
In reply to lipoic acid skin aging study?, posted by iforgotmypassword on February 1, 2009, at 16:38:55
sorry for making work for admin. my concetration is as usual a bit off, i will try harder to make sure i know where i am posting next time.
Posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:06
In reply to lipoic acid skin aging study?, posted by iforgotmypassword on February 1, 2009, at 16:38:55
I believe the way to help aging skin if that is your worry is through that products available with a good plastic surgeon. Restylan, collegen and other injections, then dermabassion, and plastic surgery proceedures. Just my take. Phillipa
Posted by fayeroe on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:07
In reply to lipoic acid skin aging study?, posted by iforgotmypassword on February 1, 2009, at 16:38:55
It reads as an advertisement. Have you googled the ingredients in the mixture? I'd do that.
Posted by sam K on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:07
In reply to Re: lipoic acid skin aging study? » iforgotmypassword, posted by Phillipa on February 1, 2009, at 17:27:33
isnt there lipotic acid in green tea.. i think I read that. Green tea also ups metabolism and gets rid of fat. <maybe, just a little something I learnd from being obssesed with dieting for so long. damn eating disorder...
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:08
In reply to lipoic acid skin aging study?, posted by iforgotmypassword on February 1, 2009, at 16:38:55
It was a real study. Alpha-lipoic acid was only one constituent of the product studied, however. ALA is known to enhance collagen formation, and is active both orally and transdermally.
Lar
J Int Med Res. 2005 May-Jun;33(3):267-72.
A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study on the clinical efficacy of oral treatment with DermaVite on ageing symptoms of the skin.
Thom E.
ETC Research, Oslo, Norway. erlingthom@etc.asIn this double-blind, placebo-controlled study, 40 women with ageing symptoms of the skin were randomized to receive DermaVite, a new preparation containing marine proteins, alpha-lipoic acid, pine bark extract, vitamins and minerals (n = 20), or placebo (n = 20) twice daily for 6 months. Objective measurements of skin thickness and elasticity, together with subjective clinical assessments of various parameters (fine wrinkles, coarse wrinkles, tactile roughness and teleangiectasia) were used to evaluate changes after 2, 4 and 6 months' treatment. Self-evaluations were also made by the study participants. There was a significant improvement in skin quality in both objective and subjective parameters after treatment with Dermavite compared with placebo. Participants' self-evaluations also showed a statistically significant difference in favour of the active treatment. The treatment was very well tolerated. Based on this efficacy and tolerability study, DermaVite can be considered a suitable therapy for ageing symptoms of the skin.
Posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:08
In reply to Re: lipoic acid skin aging study? » iforgotmypassword, posted by Larry Hoover on February 1, 2009, at 19:36:59
Thanks Lar encouraging words. Phillipa
Posted by 10derHeart on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:08
In reply to sorry, accidental, post in wrong forum. redirect?, posted by iforgotmypassword on February 1, 2009, at 16:45:34
I'll move it....
It's perfectly fine, really. No big deal whatsoever, so please don't be sorry.
We do volunteer to do this, and redirecting posts is one of the more pleasant tasks of a deputy. Or at least it's sort of...neutral?
Take care..... - 10der
Posted by Phillipa on February 2, 2009, at 0:09:18
In reply to Re: sorry, accidental, post in wrong forum. redirect? » iforgotmypassword, posted by 10derHeart on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:08
Signing to follow post Phillipa
Posted by iforgotmypassword on February 2, 2009, at 4:47:08
In reply to Re: sorry, accidental, post in wrong forum. redirect? » iforgotmypassword, posted by 10derHeart on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:08
thanks.
i need to make sure i say this at some point though, because i'm back into one of my ruts where i am really out of it and having trouble observing and gauging my behaviour, so i may do annoying things that i don't mean to do, or say things in the wrong way. this makes me a mix of hypervigilant-and-worried but also oblivious in other ways, because i can't keep track of myself accurately, so please don't hesistate to tell me if i do get a bit "off." it makes it easier for me and puts me more at ease when i truly know if my behaviour is working out or not.
Posted by bleauberry on February 5, 2009, at 18:06:20
In reply to lipoic acid skin aging study?, posted by iforgotmypassword on February 2, 2009, at 0:00:05
ALA mobilizes heavy metals such as lead and mercury from tissues where even the prescription chelating medicines can't get them. That might have something to do with it. ALA is a thorough deep cleanser of toxins.
Posted by morganpmiller on June 28, 2009, at 0:10:12
In reply to Re: lipoic acid skin aging study?, posted by bleauberry on February 5, 2009, at 18:06:20
Best form of lipoic acid is stabilized Na R ALA
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