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Posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 0:40:32
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores? » KaraS, posted by sb417 on July 19, 2004, at 23:53:58
> I've been using Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry-Touch Sunblock, SPF 30 and 45. Unfortunately, it contains silica. May I ask what sort of an allergic reaction you have to silica? I've been looking for the perfect sunscreen for years. Most of the ones that say "non-greasy" or "oil-free" still appear greasy or shiny. I've heard about another brand from France called "Anthelios." It's made by La Roche-Posay. I'm pretty sure that it comes in several different forms, including a non-oily one. It's supposed to be very good, but I haven't tried it yet.
The allergic response I get from silica is one that I get from many substances: My eyes water, get a bit puffy and red along with a runny nose. I can't wear any powdered eye shadow or I'll get the same response.Have you ever tried Paula's Choice sunscreens? Having had a problem with acne and with eczema herself, she designed her sunscreens (and other products) with that in mind. They're fragrance free and usually irritant free. She still has an SPF 15 that is the old formula which I have ordered but I want more SPF protection (at least for some days where I'm outside more). It isn't greasy and it just gives my face a nice bit of moisture without any breakouts. I'm so mad at her for changing that product!!!!
Thanks for the tip about the French brand. I'll have to look into it. I have been trying to stay away from French products because of the rise in antisemitism over there recently. If this product you mentioned meets all of the requirements I'm looking for in a sunscreen then I'll be in quite a quandry. Vanity or political responsibilty? Hmmmm... wonder which would win?
Posted by tabitha on July 20, 2004, at 0:57:21
In reply to Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 19, 2004, at 23:34:24
I've used Neutrogena Sensitive Skin sunblock. It comes in different SPFs. It's supposed to be non-comodogenic. I checked the ingredients and didn't see any silica. It's a bit greasier than their Dry Touch product.
It has titanium dioxide rather than chemical sunblocks. I like that because it doesn't burn my eyes so much, and blocks UVB. The downside is it tends to look whitish when you wear it. I had the SPF 15 type, and I'd imagine the higher SPFs look even more whitish.
Posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 1:38:46
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by tabitha on July 20, 2004, at 0:57:21
> I've used Neutrogena Sensitive Skin sunblock. It comes in different SPFs. It's supposed to be non-comodogenic. I checked the ingredients and didn't see any silica. It's a bit greasier than their Dry Touch product.
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> It has titanium dioxide rather than chemical sunblocks. I like that because it doesn't burn my eyes so much, and blocks UVB. The downside is it tends to look whitish when you wear it. I had the SPF 15 type, and I'd imagine the higher SPFs look even more whitish.I think that titanium dioxide is a really good UVA and UVB blocker. Unfortunately it tends to plug my pores. You don't have that problem with it?
Posted by partlycloudy on July 20, 2004, at 9:05:14
In reply to Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 19, 2004, at 23:34:24
I have been using the Coppertone Oil Free sunblock a couple of years and it does not make my skin break out. I am a very sweaty person, so putting something on that stays on was a priority for me.
Posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 9:13:51
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores? » KaraS, posted by partlycloudy on July 20, 2004, at 9:05:14
> I have been using the Coppertone Oil Free sunblock a couple of years and it does not make my skin break out. I am a very sweaty person, so putting something on that stays on was a priority for me.
>I've read that was good but that it burns when you put it on. I think it's because of the benzoic acid in it. (Darn it, why did they have to include that?) That might just be in their formula for faces though. I'm not sure. Their regular one has a smell I can't stand. I'm afraid the one for faces might really burn a lot on my skin because I use beta-hydrox (salicylic acid) to exfoliate. Does it have that burning effect on you? I might try this one anyway. If I can tolerate it, it might be worth it!
Posted by gardenergirl on July 20, 2004, at 11:37:53
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 9:13:51
I use Clinique sun block for faces, SPF 30. I have trouble with sunblocks burning, too, and this one so far has been good. I do know that all sunblocks need to be removed with a good cleanser, just like make up does. Soap and water doesn't really get it all off effectively.
I once used a gel-based face sunblock. I don't remember what it was, because it was a sample. But it made the top layer of my skin on my face come off in sheets! It was like a free chemical peel. Ugh. Definitely alcohol based.
Good luck.
gg
Posted by tabitha on July 20, 2004, at 12:52:18
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 1:38:46
It does have high titanium dioxide, so that might not be good for you. I don't notice it making my face break out too much, although all sunscreens seem to make me break out some.
My solution is to wear hats, sunglasses, and long sleeves rather than sunscreen most of the time. Or I'll wear a hat, and just put sunscreen on the bottom part of my face. It's not quite so gloppy/greasy then.
Posted by partlycloudy on July 20, 2004, at 13:12:47
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 9:13:51
They have both a gel version that stings and I won't use, and a lotion (in a white plastic bottle). I live in Florida and if a sunscreen doesn't work, I know it quickly! I put it on about 15 minutes before going out, and it lasts as advertised, also is waterproof.
BTW if you wear facial moisturizer and/or makeup, look for those that have sunscreen too. I know that most of The Body Shop products have sunscreen in them - and added protection doesn't hurt! Especially makeup foundation that you put all over your face... with a trowel... OK so maybe that's just me....
> > I have been using the Coppertone Oil Free sunblock a couple of years and it does not make my skin break out. I am a very sweaty person, so putting something on that stays on was a priority for me.
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> I've read that was good but that it burns when you put it on. I think it's because of the benzoic acid in it. (Darn it, why did they have to include that?) That might just be in their formula for faces though. I'm not sure. Their regular one has a smell I can't stand. I'm afraid the one for faces might really burn a lot on my skin because I use beta-hydrox (salicylic acid) to exfoliate. Does it have that burning effect on you? I might try this one anyway. If I can tolerate it, it might be worth it!
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Posted by Emme on July 20, 2004, at 17:24:41
In reply to Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 19, 2004, at 23:34:24
It's my favorite everyday moisturizer. I find it's light enough and not greasy and they make a daily-use version that's SPF 15. I think there may be a new one that's SPF 30. It's got zinc oxide in it. I don't know about the silica. The bottle doesn't say. But you could always call them.
I find Bullfrog isn't too greasy and it comes in a bottle with a convenient spray pump. Check out the ingredients.
Posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 22:49:29
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores? » KaraS, posted by partlycloudy on July 20, 2004, at 9:05:14
> I have been using the Coppertone Oil Free sunblock a couple of years and it does not make my skin break out. I am a very sweaty person, so putting something on that stays on was a priority for me.
>I just bought the Coppertone Oil Free sunblock for Faces today. I tried some on my forehead a little while ago and it didn't sting. (I haven't been using my exfoliator for a few days though.) The jury is still out on the pore clogging and the allergic response issues but I'll find out soon enough. Thanks for the recommendation.
Posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 22:52:35
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by gardenergirl on July 20, 2004, at 11:37:53
> I use Clinique sun block for faces, SPF 30. I have trouble with sunblocks burning, too, and this one so far has been good. I do know that all sunblocks need to be removed with a good cleanser, just like make up does. Soap and water doesn't really get it all off effectively.
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> I once used a gel-based face sunblock. I don't remember what it was, because it was a sample. But it made the top layer of my skin on my face come off in sheets! It was like a free chemical peel. Ugh. Definitely alcohol based.
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> Good luck.
> gg
>I'll have to check out the Clinique products. They probably have them on-line. I know what you mean about the pealing off of the gel based potions and you're right that they're alcohol based (which can't be good for your skin).
Thanks for your input.
Posted by KaraS on July 21, 2004, at 0:26:29
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores? » KaraS, posted by tabitha on July 20, 2004, at 12:52:18
> It does have high titanium dioxide, so that might not be good for you. I don't notice it making my face break out too much, although all sunscreens seem to make me break out some.
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> My solution is to wear hats, sunglasses, and long sleeves rather than sunscreen most of the time. Or I'll wear a hat, and just put sunscreen on the bottom part of my face. It's not quite so gloppy/greasy then.
I try to wear hats and sunglasses all the time too. Right now that's all I'm doing - without any sunscreen. I don't even put any around the bottom of my face because I break out the most around the chin and jawline.
Posted by KaraS on July 21, 2004, at 0:37:03
In reply to Oil of Olay, posted by Emme on July 20, 2004, at 17:24:41
> It's my favorite everyday moisturizer. I find it's light enough and not greasy and they make a daily-use version that's SPF 15. I think there may be a new one that's SPF 30. It's got zinc oxide in it. I don't know about the silica. The bottle doesn't say. But you could always call them.
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> I find Bullfrog isn't too greasy and it comes in a bottle with a convenient spray pump. Check out the ingredients.Thanks. I'll check out the Olay. I like their face wash a lot. Reasonable prices too.
The sprays are probably the least greasy way to go but I'm afraid to use it on my face for fear of getting it into my eyes (or are you just talking about pumps like for liquie soap?)
Posted by sb417 on July 21, 2004, at 1:11:34
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by gardenergirl on July 20, 2004, at 11:37:53
> I do know that all sunblocks need to be removed with a good cleanser, just like make up does. Soap and water doesn't really get it all off effectively. > Good luck.> gg
>>>>What cleanser do you use? I've had a lot of trouble finding one. If it's strong enough to remove makeup and sunscreen, it's usually too caustic for my skin. When I wake up in the morning, I use Cetaphil, but there's no way I can use that at the end of the day.
Posted by sb417 on July 21, 2004, at 1:21:53
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 20, 2004, at 0:40:32
Hi Kara,
Isn't it a nuisance being so sensitive that we have allergic reactions to these things? I have lots of allergies (PABA, fragrances, most meds, etc!)
No, I've never tried any of Paula's products, although I've been very curious about them. Thanks for the warning about the sunscreen. I find her books very helpful.
I tried to find some more information on that French sunscreen. I think its main selling point is that it screens out UVA rays more effectively than most other sunscreens. I think most of the ones manufactured in the U.S. are more effective at screening out UVB rays, but I think the UVA rays penetrate more and are considered more damaging. I think they also go through glass.
Posted by Emme on July 21, 2004, at 6:22:38
In reply to Re: Oil of Olay, posted by KaraS on July 21, 2004, at 0:37:03
> > It's my favorite everyday moisturizer. I find it's light enough and not greasy and they make a daily-use version that's SPF 15. I think there may be a new one that's SPF 30. It's got zinc oxide in it. I don't know about the silica. The bottle doesn't say. But you could always call them.
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> > I find Bullfrog isn't too greasy and it comes in a bottle with a convenient spray pump. Check out the ingredients.
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> Thanks. I'll check out the Olay. I like their face wash a lot. Reasonable prices too.
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> The sprays are probably the least greasy way to go but I'm afraid to use it on my face for fear of getting it into my eyes (or are you just talking about pumps like for liquie soap?)
>You spray some on your hand or wrist and then rub it on your face.
Posted by KaraS on July 21, 2004, at 9:40:21
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores? » KaraS, posted by sb417 on July 19, 2004, at 23:53:58
> I've been using Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry-Touch Sunblock, SPF 30 and 45. Unfortunately, it contains silica. May I ask what sort of an allergic reaction you have to silica? I've been looking for the perfect sunscreen for years. Most of the ones that say "non-greasy" or "oil-free" still appear greasy or shiny. I've heard about another brand from France called "Anthelios." It's made by La Roche-Posay. I'm pretty sure that it comes in several different forms, including a non-oily one. It's supposed to be very good, but I haven't tried it yet.
I've done a little bit of research on this. It looks VERY intriguing - esp. their LAIT SPF45 product for sensitive skin. Two problems though. Its active ingredients, Mexoryl XL and Mexoryl SX, are not approved in the U.S. yet (are you in the states?) and I can't find out the other ingredients in it since they don't seem to be on the label (not required in some countries). The Mexoryl is supposed to be a better sunscreen ingredient in terms of effectiveness from what I've been reading. I'll do some more research to see if it can be legally purchased from Canada where it is currently sold and I'll dig further re: other ingredients.Also, it's extremely expensive and I'm broke - but at this point I'd trade my mother for a good sunscreen (just kidding mom if you're reading this).
Thanks. I'll keep you posted.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 11:19:46
In reply to face cleansers » gardenergirl, posted by sb417 on July 21, 2004, at 1:11:34
I use Clinique products, but then I am probably biased because I used to be a Clinique girl when I was an undergrad. Most of the time I use the Wash Away Gel Cleanser, which is made for oilier skin. Mine is pretty sensitive too, and this one is not too drying. The Rinse Off Foaming Cleanser is good for most skin types, and is really nice. There is also a really gentle type for dryer skin. I can't remember the name of that one, but it's really creamy.
You can check them out on line or at a counter.
gg
Posted by Ilene on July 21, 2004, at 18:16:41
In reply to Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 19, 2004, at 23:34:24
I found a new sunscreen by Hawaiian Tropic called Faces. So far so good. It's supposed to be oil-free and not migrate--which is my big problem--by the end of the day my eyes are stinging.
Currently I look for sunscreens with a high SPF that have Parsol (avobenzone) and are fragrance-free.
My skin is extremely oily, so what I do is wait about 1/2 to one hour and then blot my skin with blotting or tissue paper. The key is to blot, not wipe, so you pick up the oil on the surface but don't wipe off the sunscreen. Sometimes I powder my face to deal with the excess oil.
Sunscreen with titanium oxide make me look like I'm wearing whiteface. I use it on my hands, though, because it seems fairly tenacious.
I'm seeing a new dermatologist, and the first thing she did was go at my face with liquid nitrogen to freeze off the pre-cancerous spots. This is in spite of wearing sunscreen every day. She didn't say anything about using anything in particular to wash off the sunscreen, but she sold me some glycolic acid face wash.
Posted by sb417 on July 22, 2004, at 17:40:00
In reply to Re: sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores -sb417, posted by KaraS on July 21, 2004, at 9:40:21
> >> > I've done a little bit of research on this. It looks VERY intriguing - esp. their LAIT SPF45 product for sensitive skin. Two problems though. Its active ingredients, Mexoryl XL and Mexoryl SX, are not approved in the U.S. yet (are you in the states?) and I can't find out the other ingredients in it since they don't seem to be on the label (not required in some countries). The Mexoryl is supposed to be a better sunscreen ingredient in terms of effectiveness from what I've been reading.
Yes, I am in the United States. I've heard that some dermatologists are selling the product in their offices, and I'm pretty sure that you can order Anthelios online. I heard that Mexoryl is better, also, especially in terms of screening out the more damaging UVA rays.
Posted by sb417 on July 22, 2004, at 17:42:24
In reply to Re: face cleansers » sb417, posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 11:19:46
> I use Clinique products, but then I am probably biased because I used to be a Clinique girl when I was an undergrad. > gg
Hi gg. When you say you were a "Clinique girl," do you mean you worked behind the counter and wore a white lab coat? Thanks for the mention of that cleanser. I'll look for it.
Posted by KaraS on July 22, 2004, at 23:43:21
In reply to Re: sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores -sb417 » KaraS, posted by sb417 on July 22, 2004, at 17:40:00
> > >> > I've done a little bit of research on this. It looks VERY intriguing - esp. their LAIT SPF45 product for sensitive skin. Two problems though. Its active ingredients, Mexoryl XL and Mexoryl SX, are not approved in the U.S. yet (are you in the states?) and I can't find out the other ingredients in it since they don't seem to be on the label (not required in some countries). The Mexoryl is supposed to be a better sunscreen ingredient in terms of effectiveness from what I've been reading.
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> Yes, I am in the United States. I've heard that some dermatologists are selling the product in their offices, and I'm pretty sure that you can order Anthelios online. I heard that Mexoryl is better, also, especially in terms of screening out the more damaging UVA rays.Then I'll check it out further. Thank you.
Posted by KaraS on July 22, 2004, at 23:48:23
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by Ilene on July 21, 2004, at 18:16:41
> I found a new sunscreen by Hawaiian Tropic called Faces. So far so good. It's supposed to be oil-free and not migrate--which is my big problem--by the end of the day my eyes are stinging.
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Always important!> Currently I look for sunscreens with a high SPF that have Parsol (avobenzone) and are fragrance-free.
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Same here.> My skin is extremely oily, so what I do is wait about 1/2 to one hour and then blot my skin with blotting or tissue paper. The key is to blot, not wipe, so you pick up the oil on the surface but don't wipe off the sunscreen. Sometimes I powder my face to deal with the excess oil.
>I don't have that much of a problem with that aspect anymore. I used to years ago though.
> Sunscreen with titanium oxide make me look like I'm wearing whiteface. I use it on my hands, though, because it seems fairly tenacious.
>Same here too.
> I'm seeing a new dermatologist, and the first thing she did was go at my face with liquid nitrogen to freeze off the pre-cancerous spots. This is in spite of wearing sunscreen every day. She didn't say anything about using anything in particular to wash off the sunscreen, but she sold me some glycolic acid face wash.
That's strange. Do you have really fair skin? Also, I've read that when you get the alpha or beta hydrox in a cleanser that it isn't on your face long enough to do any good????
Thanks for the recommendation.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 23, 2004, at 9:36:45
In reply to Re: face cleansers » gardenergirl, posted by sb417 on July 22, 2004, at 17:42:24
I did. Even though white is NOT my color. But is was usually a lot of fun.
gg
Posted by Ilene on July 23, 2004, at 19:20:47
In reply to Re: Know a good sunscreen that doesn' t plug pores?, posted by KaraS on July 22, 2004, at 23:48:23
> That's strange. Do you have really fair skin? Also, I've read that when you get the alpha or beta hydrox in a cleanser that it isn't on your face long enough to do any good????
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> Thanks for the recommendation.
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Yes, I have really fair skin. Always burn. The derm sold me some glycolic acid lotion, too.
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