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Posted by rayww on August 30, 2008, at 19:28:39
Does God ever call a nation to repent these days? It seems in times past it was a common occurrence, so why not now? Perhaps God does His own work. He sends a warning, then waits...and waits...then a disaster...then destroys either naturally, or allows the people to destroy themselves. If we could recognize the message, or the non verbal language of God, we could learn to respond accordingly.
Personally, in my own situation, when I face disaster, I fight it with obedience. Has anyone ever considered "exactness"? Obedience with exactness carries with it great power. It either changes the course, or provides strength to carry on, and personal direction to change your own course.
Too many people nowadays have lost that part of faith, the part that drives you to exactness in obedience.
My reason for posting this right now has to do with hurricanes. Since a hurricane is an "Act of God", the only way to reverse it is exactness in obedience, exactness in belief, exactness in faith.
I really honestly believe this:
Alma 57: 21
21 Yea, and they did obey and observe to perform every word of command with exactness; yea, and even according to their faith it was done unto them; and I did remember the words which they said unto me that their mothers had taught them.
Posted by Deputy Racer on August 31, 2008, at 6:20:27
In reply to Exactness, posted by rayww on August 30, 2008, at 19:28:39
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> My reason for posting this right now has to do with hurricanes. Since a hurricane is an "Act of God", the only way to reverse it is exactness in obedience, exactness in belief, exactness in faith.
>Please follow site guidelines, which include being sensitive to others who may hold different beliefs, and not generalizing your beliefs universally. In this case, for example, having made clear in this paragraph that this is your belief, and you're not extending to anyone else, would have been within the guidelines regarding over-generalizing.
The sensitivity issue is two pronged, though -- many people on this site are affected by the current hurricane, either personally or someone close to them. At this current time, a discussion of this aspect of your faith which does not include care regarding any implication that this might be punishment for the area involved and its residents really isn't sensitive to others, even to those who may share many other aspects of your belief system.
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Posted by rayww on August 31, 2008, at 9:23:16
In reply to Please follow board guidelines » rayww, posted by Deputy Racer on August 31, 2008, at 6:20:27
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> > My reason for posting this right now has to do with hurricanes. Since a hurricane is an "Act of God", the only way to reverse it is exactness in obedience, exactness in belief, exactness in faith.
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> Please follow site guidelines, which include being sensitive to others who may hold different beliefs, and not generalizing your beliefs universally. In this case, for example, having made clear in this paragraph that this is your belief, and you're not extending to anyone else, would have been within the guidelines regarding over-generalizing.
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Deputy Racer,
I said "I personally believe this".
Many other things are considered acts of God. We have had droughts and floods, evacuations, ice storms, death, illness - all acts of God, or natural occurrences. If faith can move mountains, faith can curb hurricanes too. If not curb hurricanes, faith can give one the strength to endure, and blessings unexpected. Tony Snow expressed it beautifully when asked about his cancer. I have had many "mountains" in my life that have dissolved. I have one right now that hasn't. But I still have hope that it will change. The whole world right now is going through birth pangs; tsunami, earthquakes, floods, severe weather. We can use opposition to strengthen faith, or we can let it crush us. I agree there are many affected by these earth shattering tragedies. My prayers are uniting with others that are praying for them. I am hoping the hurricanes will slip between peopled areas, and that our faith and prayers will be recognized. I am trying to sharpen my obedience, to show I am serious. Having said all of this, and looking at what is happening, I wonder what message God is trying to tell us. It looks to me like we paid attention to Katrina, and we are better prepared now. Has anyone involved in these tragedies felt God's hand in anything associated with it? In watching the news I can see a lot, but there are still challenges. It has wakened up our governments, in fact the whole world has wakened. These are sensitive issues, and there isn't much we all can do, but what I can do I will, and that is sharpen my obedience as I pray. Will you join me?
ray
Posted by Sigismund on September 1, 2008, at 2:58:34
In reply to Exactness, posted by rayww on August 30, 2008, at 19:28:39
Say the gulf stream slowed down or stopped because the world heated up because we were not prepared to cut down on fossil fuel emissions (for whatever moral failings apply here), and hurricanes increased along with the temperature of the Gulf of Mexico.
That would be exact.
You mean something like that?
Posted by rayww on September 1, 2008, at 10:12:53
In reply to Re: Exactness » rayww, posted by Sigismund on September 1, 2008, at 2:58:34
> Say the gulf stream slowed down or stopped because the world heated up because we were not prepared to cut down on fossil fuel emissions (for whatever moral failings apply here), and hurricanes increased along with the temperature of the Gulf of Mexico.
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> That would be exact.
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> You mean something like that?
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>Nice try. :)
Posted by 64bowtie on September 7, 2008, at 4:14:49
In reply to Exactness, posted by rayww on August 30, 2008, at 19:28:39
Since Webster defines faith as the ability to act on our irrational beliefs, and our beliefs are information based solely on testimony, faith may not really be close enough to the facts for exactness of faith to make much difference...
If it takes 4 hours to bake a Thanksgiving turkey, whether the actual temperature is 320, 325, or 330, may not effect the cooking time very much... So, exactess might instead be risky, getting us sent to emergency with burns on our hands or fingers...
If retreading and retreading the information filled by testimony feels better than not doing anything at all, never mind what I might point out...
However, diligence can keep us afloat emotionally... Diligence can breed hope...
Rod
Posted by 64bowtie on September 10, 2008, at 20:02:24
In reply to Exactness might be irrelevent???, posted by 64bowtie on September 7, 2008, at 4:14:49
Exactness might be an illusion to someone not satisfied with revelations... When I witness a revelation, at some point that revelation no longer has its "zing"... If I dig through the details, exactness may return some of the "zing" I crave... Harken, nothing changes the revelation, only my relationship to it... This all begs the question for me, "So what's important, the information or my relationship to it???"
My vanity votes for anything "ME"!!!
Rod
Posted by rayww on September 11, 2008, at 11:18:45
In reply to Exactness might be an illusion, posted by 64bowtie on September 10, 2008, at 20:02:24
Illusion, irrelevant, titles to your two posts:
Not my definition of exactness. If you hold a magnifying glass in line with the sun, the spot that burns the hole in your leg/pants, etc, is exact. It won't burn unless it is exactly focused.
"they did obey and observe to perform every word of command with exactness";
In this context exactness describes our devotion to God. We love God so much that out of that love we live as He would want us to, and we even take it a little farther, we obey with exactness. What are the rules for living that God suggested we obey, in order to treat one another (His children) with respect? Thou shalt not Kill, lie, steal, cheat. And love the Lord, honor your father and mother, don't say something is true that isn't, don't misuse the Lord's name. Pretty much everything God suggested we do, not only brings us joy, but shares that light with anyone we come in contact with. When is a lie not a lie? When is it all right to murder, cheat, steal? The only way it would be all right is if God were to stand before you and tell you to do it, and if He ever did that, it would be to benefit the majority of the people.If everyone in America donated $5.00 to every humanitarian need, the act of caring would carry the people farther than your $5.00. Instead of thinking "there is nothing I can do for them from here" just do something. Our combined thoughts of concern will help focus the glass. Once the glass is focused the power of the light can be felt. Even if you don't donate money, you can offer up good thoughts to whatever god you worship in their behalf.
You can decide to live today a little bit better than yesterday. Catch the lie, put it in the trash. Everyone is lying to us. Everyone is spreading their "truth" that isn't truth.
Just plant exactness in your head for one day and see what difference it makes. Exactness need not be either an illusion or irrelevant, and "Me" can benefit from being exact in something.
I've been trying to do one thing each day especially well. It spreads.
ray
Posted by gardenergirl on September 11, 2008, at 19:14:38
In reply to Re: Exactness might be an illusion » 64bowtie, posted by rayww on September 11, 2008, at 11:18:45
I can't imagine how that could possibly be true. Makes the mind bend in ways that are uncomfortable, as "everyone" would include you and me, you see.
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 11, 2008, at 19:51:46
In reply to 'Everyone' is lying to us???? Everyone? » rayww, posted by gardenergirl on September 11, 2008, at 19:14:38
> I can't imagine how that could possibly be true. Makes the mind bend in ways that are uncomfortable, as "everyone" would include you and me, you see.
>
Friends,
It is written here,[...how that could possibly..].
I could post a reply to that here, but it could be a very long series of posts that concern the deep things of the biblical revelation.
I understand the aspects of the statement in question in relation to many verses in the bible that formulate a deep doctrine that could IMO be unbeknownst to many. I will wait for the author to post more if the author is intending to post more concerning the statement in question.
Lou
Posted by rayww on September 11, 2008, at 20:02:12
In reply to 'Everyone' is lying to us???? Everyone? » rayww, posted by gardenergirl on September 11, 2008, at 19:14:38
> I can't imagine how that could possibly be true. Makes the mind bend in ways that are uncomfortable, as "everyone" would include you and me, you see.
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> ggI guess I watch too much American TV, and listen to Glenn Beck. I feel despair from time to time, get depressed, and go a little over the edge. 'tis why I write to Babble. I fit in. Well, that might be a lie.
Your turn.
ray
Posted by rayww on September 11, 2008, at 20:29:12
In reply to Lou's response to gardenergirl's question-cntex, posted by Lou Pilder on September 11, 2008, at 19:51:46
> > I can't imagine how that could possibly be true. Makes the mind bend in ways that are uncomfortable, as "everyone" would include you and me, you see.
> >
> Friends,
> It is written here,[...how that could possibly..].
> I could post a reply to that here, but it could be a very long series of posts that concern the deep things of the biblical revelation.
> I understand the aspects of the statement in question in relation to many verses in the bible that formulate a deep doctrine that could IMO be unbeknownst to many. I will wait for the author to post more if the author is intending to post more concerning the statement in question.
> Lou
>I would never dare name names here. (dr Bob might be on the list). I'll just leave it as "everyone", because we all know we are all guilty, even if just a little tiny bit, once or twice. gg pointed it out. I could have changed the phrase, but chose not to.
Go ahead Lou, I'm not sure what it was you were referring to, but if you have an experience that will fit in....oops there it is again....
ray
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 11, 2008, at 20:39:26
In reply to Re: Lou's response to gardenergirl's question-cnte, posted by rayww on September 11, 2008, at 20:29:12
> > > I can't imagine how that could possibly be true. Makes the mind bend in ways that are uncomfortable, as "everyone" would include you and me, you see.
> > >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...how that could possibly..].
> > I could post a reply to that here, but it could be a very long series of posts that concern the deep things of the biblical revelation.
> > I understand the aspects of the statement in question in relation to many verses in the bible that formulate a deep doctrine that could IMO be unbeknownst to many. I will wait for the author to post more if the author is intending to post more concerning the statement in question.
> > Lou
> >
>
> I would never dare name names here. (dr Bob might be on the list). I'll just leave it as "everyone", because we all know we are all guilty, even if just a little tiny bit, once or twice. gg pointed it out. I could have changed the phrase, but chose not to.
>
> Go ahead Lou, I'm not sure what it was you were referring to, but if you have an experience that will fit in....oops there it is again....
> rayray,
You wrote,[...you were referring...].
I was thinking that you were referring to some doctrine that could include the aspect of the book called revelation chapter 21, verse 8. Does that in any way tie into your statement in question here?
Lou
Posted by rayww on September 11, 2008, at 23:18:24
In reply to Lou's reply to rayww-lkvfr » rayww, posted by Lou Pilder on September 11, 2008, at 20:39:26
> > > > I can't imagine how that could possibly be true. Makes the mind bend in ways that are uncomfortable, as "everyone" would include you and me, you see.
> > > >
> > > Friends,
> > > It is written here,[...how that could possibly..].
> > > I could post a reply to that here, but it could be a very long series of posts that concern the deep things of the biblical revelation.
> > > I understand the aspects of the statement in question in relation to many verses in the bible that formulate a deep doctrine that could IMO be unbeknownst to many. I will wait for the author to post more if the author is intending to post more concerning the statement in question.
> > > Lou
> > >
> >
> > I would never dare name names here. (dr Bob might be on the list). I'll just leave it as "everyone", because we all know we are all guilty, even if just a little tiny bit, once or twice. gg pointed it out. I could have changed the phrase, but chose not to.
> >
> > Go ahead Lou, I'm not sure what it was you were referring to, but if you have an experience that will fit in....oops there it is again....
> > ray
>
> ray,
> You wrote,[...you were referring...].
> I was thinking that you were referring to some doctrine that could include the aspect of the book called revelation chapter 21, verse 8. Does that in any way tie into your statement in question here?
> LouI was not referring to any particular scripture, just cumulative in general. But thanks for guiding me to that chapter. I enjoyed it.
If you only look at 21:8 you might miss the rest of the story.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/rev/21.Isa. 2: 3
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us ago up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.What thoughts did you want to share about it?
Posted by 64bowtie on September 19, 2008, at 2:36:12
In reply to Re: Exactness might be an illusion » 64bowtie, posted by rayww on September 11, 2008, at 11:18:45
Human "exactness" lacks of room for the color grey... Since we all function best at the grey level, where God optimised our effectiveness, the myopia of the black and white existence governed by exactness leads to failure in the real world, distancing us from God...
Judgment in the here and now is dysfuntional as it approaches the the realm of exactness, because "exact" for humans can never be... By your own musing, God is exact... We don't have to be exact to be loved by God... God Is not pleased by our trying to be God; exact...
In fact, evidence abounds that those trying to be God, fail... Trying to be exact is trying to be God... The closer to being God, the more dysfunctional...
Faith is not a scientific endeavor, so exactness of faith diminishes the shortcut to God that faith provides... If we seek God scientifically, we will never succeed... Seeking exactness takes away moments better spent marveling at the wonders of God, provided by faith itself...
Let God be exact, and try relaxing your grip... You're dong fine just being "you"...
Rod
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on October 9, 2008, at 10:21:16
In reply to Re: Exactness might be an illusion » 64bowtie, posted by rayww on September 11, 2008, at 11:18:45
I very strongly agree with your points Ray.(And mind you..I am not saying you are being one...but I am not a fundamentalist at all.)
I posted an editorial a few days ago that calls us to repent for our sins of greed, decadence, vanity, etc. The author even went on to call those who took jobs that exploited others and such, to rethink their vocations. All of those CEO's who got golden parachutes of 20 million bucks and smugly went on morning talk shows and said they "deserved" every penny they got.(That money, being part of a middle class kid's college savings, or some poor old person's pension. Nice.)
Jay
Posted by rayww on October 18, 2008, at 9:20:37
In reply to Re: Exactness might be an illusion..very good » rayww, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on October 9, 2008, at 10:21:16
If the money is constantly going over seas, and people keep skimming off the fat in the stock market, soon all the money will be gone from the people. It is theft in the grandest scale. How can they keep printing more? It won't help solve the problem already stated.
I once knew a fellow whose job it was to invest other people's money in the stock market. He had skimmed off over 1 billion dollars for himself in the process. That's robbery, even though what he did was legal. All he did was move paper. There is getting to be less and less for the rest of us to work with, and the way I look at it, the others keep getting more and more. Could you imagine a person earning 1 million dollars a week? Whose dollars would they be? You are right, they are what you said.
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